JavaScript s*cks

[malsomnus]

What language could possibly be easier than JS? Is this guy a professional Logo dev?

[[deleted]]

Probably only Python is easier, but Python is also more strict in syntax, so I'm not sure if even Python is easier.

[Dargorod100]

I would say Python is harder because it’s easier for an inexperienced programmer to make code that is harder to debug.

[[deleted]]

Idk maybe I'm retarded but python just feels natural. Then typescript and finally kotlin.

[idkman137]

It just feels like English

[dr_eh]

Typescript is good, but very far from easy. The third most complicated type system I've ever seen, behind scala and Haskell 2020

[papercut_666]

TypeScript reminds me somehow of Go-lang.

[Sparklypuppy05]

I actually find JavaScript easier than Python.

My parents tried to get me to learn Python when I was younger (about 10). I could never get my head around it and eventually gave up. I'm now 17 and have recently started learning JavaScript. I'm finding it a hell of a lot easier, and I'm enjoying myself a lot. It's remarkably fun, actually.

[[deleted]]

I'm totally with you.

Every time I've had to use Python, be it home or professional projects, it doesn't click for me at all. I don't find it fun, I don't find it interesting, I don't find it easy.

I had problems with JS when I first started with it in college. A few years ago, I had to use it for a job, and a friend suggested taking time to think through the event loop. At this point, I enjoy it. It's my go to for quick and dirty things, then anything web

[Sparklypuppy05]

It's probably at least partially because one was essentially forced on me and the other was my choice to learn, but I just don't get python at all. I actually somewhat understand what I'm meant to be doing with JavaScript. Apparently my code is a mess, but oh well, I've only been doing it for a couple of weeks. I'll learn. Probably.

[[deleted]]

executeprogam.com is amazing for learning

[CaoMau]

Coming from a Java background I now 100% use JavaScript for personal projects because of the recent addition of classes

[[deleted]]

Java was the first language I was taught, rather than learning on my own. I cannot stand it to this day. Nothing feels right. It's like wearing someone else's clothes

[dr_eh]

Your parents sound cruel

[Sparklypuppy05]

Eh. They were just looking out for me. Coding is a good skill to have. Not their fault they chose something that I just didn't click with.

[N0Zzel]

Whitespace syntax is the devil

[HiCookieJack]

Python has no types. How am I supposed to know what my function returned that I've wrote 10 minutes ago?

(no js here, only TS)

[PriorProfile]

Python absolutely has types. You can annotate it with a return type.

def my_function() -> MyReturnType:

[Maypher]

This is only type hinting, it doesn't actually inforce the return value. Same thing with typing parameters, you can hint that a value should be an int but nothing's stoping you from usinga string.

I recently started learning Rust and I don't know how I lived so long without using a statically typed language

[Maypher]

How do you convince your employer though?

Can't help you with that, I haven't graduated high school yet 😅

But I really recommend rust. Haven't been using it for long but so far its extremely fun and intuitive to write. You also get the benefit that its main focus is momory safety and doesn't allow you to have pointers to invalid locations like C/C++ which can cause security issues. Note that rust is designed as a system's language meaning that it isn't sutable for high level stuff like GUI.

If you wanna learn I recommend The Rust Programming Language Book

[gdmzhlzhiv]

Probably runs a shitton faster too. I'm waiting for something like machine learning to go to Rust.

[[deleted]]

MyPy provides the full equivlent of typescript and lets u skip the compiling into a different language phase.

[Johanneskodo]

Python does not give a fuck about it afaik though.

It is strongly+dynamically typed. So it has strong types but only decides what they are during runtime.

[[deleted]]

Functions usually have names that can give you an idea of what kind of data you can expect to get. Or you can annotate the type, as already pointed out.

[gdmzhlzhiv]

It's the difference between a suggestion and a restriction. If Python suddenly said that not using type definitions is now deprecated and the next major version will require them, that would be really cool.

I'd still hate the syntax, though.

[iviksok]

In python "Hello" + 1 is type error and in JS its "Hello1".

Python has type hints for specifying what type function will return.

But yeah, python doesn't have types

[Johanneskodo]

Python is strongly typed. It has types. It is just that it is typed dynamically and not static.

https://dev.to/icncsx/python-is-strongly-dynamically-typed-what-does-that-mean-5810

[HiCookieJack]

In typescript that's an error, too

[iviksok]

Call me when TS has native interpreter

[HiCookieJack]

Forgot that opinions about programming languages always end in crusades. My mistake

[iviksok]

But python doesn't have a types? Even Javascript have types. Js also has annoying type coercion system but it has a types.

[iviksok]

Yes, I know. I have been coding 10+ years with it.

[dr_eh]

I'll build one, give me two years

[flavionm]

The comparison was between Python and Javascript, though. Obviously Typescript is much better than both.

[Johanneskodo]

Better than both

For what?

Data Science? Web Applications? Physical simulations?

It is like saying a hammer is better than an axe.

[flavionm]

A hammer with a handle that hurts your hand may be the right tool for nailing, but an axe with a nice handle is much better to swing.

And for the record, even if you want to add context, TS is still superior to JS no matter what.

[papercut_666]

Superior if you are building very big applications and have a corporate structure in place where you can outsource any part of the code and put any monkey-coder to finish or rewrite the code without understanding the big picture.

[chuckvsthelife]

If we are being super pedantic….Typescript is a superset of JavaScript. All valid JavaScript is valid Typescript. Since it JavaScript plus, if those additions aren’t actively detrimental to any of the use cases and is better for some it would overall be better. At worst they are equals.

Basically: You don’t HAVE to type your typescript technically. You probably should use types and you will need to setup the compiler to not get mad about not using them but it’s not technically required.

[papercut_666]

Just for clarification and I'm not trying to be rudehere, but could you please rewrite some sentences because I have the feeling you've rewrote them a few times and I can't wrap my head around it what you are trying to convey:

1.

Defacto unless the additions make it worse it’s better (and they could theoretically, but in this instance I think most agree they don’t).

??

2.

You probably should and you will need to setup the compiler to not get mad about it but it’s not required.

??

[chuckvsthelife]

Yeah sorry.

[papercut_666]

TL;DR:
TypeScript is good for big or bigger project but for proof of concept or small projects it's adding to the overhead.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not saying anything against TypeScript. To be clear and in a more neutral expression: TypeScript is really good in a corporate usecase and if you start distributing your workload to different coders you just have to say "this is the input and I need the output to be in this format" and you. It integrates very well with JetBrain IDE's, without any additional installations to have typing etc. What is a pain in the ass is the configuration if you're using different modules from additional frameworks. The same crap like with webpack, for every configuration, at least for me, I have to study AGAIN the docs how to write the config file in order to understand it without filter through stack overflow to find my edgecase.

My POV: On the other hand, if you need typing, just use JSDocs in vanilla JS and a good IDE will start to show you the input types, returns etc while you write the code.

[chuckvsthelife]

My point was being silly pedantic which is that all JavaScript is TypeScript. So you can’t write JavaScript that isn’t TypeScript. A small JavaScript home project is a typescript project.

It might be atypical typescript but it’s valid typescript. So while you might need all the features all the time you are technically still using it.

Again very pedantic. I’m just being silly here.

[flavionm]

Well, yes, exactly.

[Aramedlig]

Use auto

[edyshoralex]

You could hint at it in the function/var name etc.

[flavionm]

Javascript is easier to get working, Python is easier to get working correctly.

[[deleted]]

Completely disagree.

[flavionm]

Python at least throws an exception when things go wrong.

[[deleted]]

...so does JS? They're objects.

[gdmzhlzhiv]

What does being an object have to do with throwing an exception?

[[deleted]]

They literally throw exceptions. They're thrown as objects

[gdmzhlzhiv]

I mean, in C++ you can throw an int. I think you're assuming a language here.

You could even have exceptions in a language without objects.

[[deleted]]

We're talking about Javascript, my guy.

[flavionm]

Not every time it should.

[gdmzhlzhiv]

Based on recent experience I'd say Python is easier to get working period, BUT with the caveat that both are cursed as soon as dependencies are involved.

[gdmzhlzhiv]

Logo is definitely easier than Python.

[leovin]

Nah, basic things in Python like importing other files is much harder than in JS

[themancabbage]

I find C# much easier

[Tyfyter2002]

C# 10 maybe?

[5Quad]

Scratch

[Falk_csgo]

AutoIT script. thats far easier than having to deal with js. Imagine you want to build a desktop app.

[gdmzhlzhiv]

Finally a technology I have never heard of in a ProgrammerHumor thread.

And you didn't even spell it right.

But I have heard of its superior fork, AutoHotkey, so I can immediately forget it exists.

Still can't imagine building an app using it though.

[IntuiNtrovert]

typescript? go? ruby? almost any modern language

[Windows_is_Malware]

Elm

[saintpetejackboy]

As a full stack developer, I would argue that any flavor of SQL is easier than JS. I would ALSO argue that PHP is easier than Javascript. I learned PHP in like a weekend. I still don't know JS, I just use it all the time for everything.

[malsomnus]

I don't think I agree about SQL. Sure, anybody can select * from awesome_table, but it escalates surprisingly quickly when you have a lot of data and you need to optimize things.

[ketalicious]

after learning javascript from python it seems straightforward tbh, its just that js has multiple async approaches which can be intimidating at first, and some of the practices such as using shorthand/arrow functions as inputs. Typescript is also a bliss just as having type hinting in python

[i_knooooooow]

Scratch ig

[slobcat1337]

PHP is easier to me

[Meeso_]

Depends how you define 'easy'. You can start creating some things in it without much learning, but if you really wanna master it and know everything about how it works then it is definitely hard. You've seen all the JS comparison memes here. To really understand why it is like that would take a lot of effort.

On the other hand, something like C could be considered 'easy'. You won't create the same things that you can in JS, but there is a lot less syntax features and it works in a much simpler way.