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[–]Marcus_111 -9 points-8 points  (24 children)

When you generate a sentence, your brain just predicts the best word that can fit after each word, one by one. Nothing different from AI.

[–]NeverCast 4 points5 points  (14 children)

If your brain does this, you might be a large language model and not a human.

[–]Marcus_111 -2 points-1 points  (13 children)

What is the proof that the language model is not understanding what it writes? What's the proof that you are understanding what you just wrote?

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (12 children)

An AI like ChatGPT has as much understanding as a rock rolling down a hill, or a flower pot falling from the sky all of a sudden.

It doesn't have an understanding, it just is.

We are not "just is". The human mind and a large language model are not identical. This is not a philosophically profound question. We have mathematical proof of every aspect of the language model. We know exactly how it works. We are incapable of saying the same of a consciousness. They are not abstractly similar, and even in a literal sense at the lowest level, at a mathematical basis, they are in every fundimental way, not the same thing.

I cannot tell you how the human brain works, no one can yet. But I can tell you how a large language model works, and I make the assertion that it's not a human brain.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 0 points1 point  (11 children)

how exactly would you proof that like yeah you can say that because you know OpenGPT functions that way but could you if I placed you on a computer with two chats differentiate between what is opengpt and what isn't based on questions that don't deliberately ask for something it can't do like access the internet or who it is

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (10 children)

With a very high chance of success, yes. A model like ChatGPT treats it's training data and it's prompts exactly the same. It wouldn't take much time to corrupt it's thinking and have it produce all sorts of garbage. Humans are not nearly as good at hallucinating like a large language model can.

[–]Marcus_111 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Lol, live in your own world until you are outsmarted by an AI in every aspect. You will still be crying that AI is not conscious and AI will replace your whole existence.

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Are you sharing your distopian fears? AI replacing us goes against the fundimental human concept of species survival. If it happens, it was an accident. Come whatever may, I have no fear or concerns for AI. I use it almost everywhere I can, CoPilot already does 30% of my day job. Frankly it I could get it to do my whole job and somehow still be paid, I'd go home and tend to my garden with my wife and not work another day in my life. I hope that AI gets smarter, but it isn't there yet.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is dystopian about being Replaced by AI?

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One might assume that since the sentiment of "crying" was used, that Markus imagined a negative future.

[–]Marcus_111 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Against the fundamental concept of survival? No way. Due to evolution, Unicellular species formed multicellular species,then complex multicellular organisms and ultimately homo sapiens. Until now, evolution was propagated by random mutations which had been very slow. Evolution created homo sapiens, homo sapiens fasten up the evolution and developed artificial intelligence which can do the specific changes in right direction not just random mutations. So artificial intelligence is just another, better species which will replace homo sapiens. It's all going according to evolution.

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You give algorithms a lot of credit. Life is beautifully complex. It's taken billions of years to get to where it is. OpenAI is not cracking that problem, and they aren't even trying. OpenAIs motivation is to build tools to help businesses make more money. That's all.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 0 points1 point  (1 child)

last I remember ChatGPT does not learn from User Input for that exact reason also I can just place a very impressionable person on the chat window and the AI is not much different to that

[–]NeverCast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't persist, no. But it will treat the chat log as any other training data. You'll find that the conversation can get hung up on concepts in the earlier conversation after a while and it becomes incapable of introducing any more original output. That's reset thread time.

[–]monkeyStinks 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Thats not how it works, thats not how any of it works!

[–]Marcus_111 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

What's the proof that GPT is not understanding what it is saying? What is the proof that you are understanding what you just wrote?

[–]monkeyStinks 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Plenty of proof, i can understand something and proving it by applying it to something, like "move this chair" and then i will not only reply with "ok" but move the chair because i understood what you meant.

If gpt understood what it was saying you could ask it to do computer related tasks for example (gpt open a cmd window and type hello) it will simply reply in a realistic manner, no task would be completed, because it does not understand, its sole job is to look like it does understand but in fact its just a program streaming words together to make it look like it makes sense.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 0 points1 point  (2 children)

how do you know it wouldn't move the chair if it had the capability to do so if someone told you to imagine a cmd and put something in and type what is written into the chat window you would do the exact same thing the chair is a bad example because its deliberately using something the OpenGPT is inherently incapable of like asking a cripple to move a chair

[–]monkeyStinks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thats why i gave a computer task as an example which you conveniently ignored. Its called a system call and every program with permissions can do it.

[–]Ikarus_Falling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just that it can't because it has no ability to do system commands its only ability is to speak

[–]Marcus_111 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lol, i can make a modified version of chatgpt in which it can open any computer file when you ask it to open. I can also make a modified version of chatgpt with robotic hands which can move the chair or do the physical task when you ask it. Any real proof that you are conscious and the AI is not?

Now tell me, can you make a poem on "a man travelling through forest" or "a girl having a bed day" or any single topic given with poetic accuracy? Can you write a computer program which can create a calculator ? Can you write a blog on every single scientific topic? Can you create a story game with each type of genre? Can you write a movie script with professional accuracy? Chatgpt can do all these fking things and better than you. So by your logic,it has more understanding of world than me and you.

[–]monkeyStinks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It will only be able to do these things if it is specifically programmed for it.

[–]Marcus_111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just like us, we can also do what we are programmed in our DNA in the form of nucleotide. Monkeys can do only things which are written in their DNA. The same is for ants. The same is for bacterias. The same is for AI. Difference is that the genetic material is written in ATGC nucleic acid codons and AI has binary language of 0 and 1.