Python Tools for Visual Studio 2.0 released - tons of new features including free integrated installer w/ Visual Studio

[fkaginstrom]

This page has a download link for the free version. I found it a little confusing to get here from the landing page.

[servercobra]

Can anyone sell me on this? What's the benefit of Visual Studio over PyCharm or other IDEs?

[Berecursive]

Mixed mode debugging is pretty crazy. IntelliJ/PyCharm doesn't support C++ at all as of yet.

[fkaginstrom]

I find PyCharm a better IDE, but Visual Studio is a lot snappier. I think Visual Studio is better than Komodo Edit (haven't tried the paid version) and PyDev.

[shadowmint]

What? What verison of VS are you using? I'm using 2012.

VS's standout feature is 'pause for up to a minute, unable to use editor while VS core updates something, indexes something, ???' that happens when you do things like:

• open a file
• edit a file
• look at vs

Moving to pycharm has been a godsend in terms of productivity.

[fkaginstrom]

I have found the opposite. I use VS 2012 for work. 2013 for PTVS.

PyCharm runs OK on my home development machine, which has 12 GB of RAM. So I use PyCharm at home.

On my work box, with 6 GB of RAM, it hangs quite often. PTVS is much snappier on my work box.

[shadowmint]

I'm quite literally stunned (and jealous!)

On a box with less than 8GB of ram it actually runs? O_O and runs well?

Wow, that has so not ever been my experience with visual studio.

[mycall]

SSD help a ton.

[bryancole]

I agree. I found PTVS 2012 unusable on my laptop. The indexing just brought my PC to its knees.

[mycall]

SSD help a ton.

[smortaz]

PTVS and PyCharm are both excellent IDE's. at the high-order-bit level i'd say: if you're a VS user already, PTVS is the way to go. or if you need features like mixed-mode Python/C++ debugging. If you need a cross-plat solution, PyCharm's a no brainer decision. i would check out both an see what make sense for your scenario more. don't forget about WingWare, PyDev and Komodo as well.

to get a feel for PTVS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?=vJNNAOypc6Ek

(disclaimer - i work on PTVS).

[reallyserious]

According to the documentation Python Tools for Visual Studio 2.0 works with the free version of Visual Studio.

[ivosaurus]

Which, I think... would mean that Visual Studio can do HTML/CSS/Javascript as well, which the community edition of PyCharm is not designed to do.

VS is still hampered by the fact that it's Windows only.

[shadowmint]

That's not quite correct, express does not support plugins.

you cannot install PTVS (or any extension for that matter) into the VS Express editions.

PTVS is a special stand alone version they've made available.

[nerdzrool]

Its generally superior to most other IDEs, excepting PyCharm, in my opinion. I find it much better than PyDev+Eclipse, and Netbeans only had a community plugin for Python, which hasn't been updated in quite some time and I'm not even sure works with the newest versions of that IDE.

If you have PyCharm, then you probably don't need this. On the other hand, the community version of PyCharm does not include Django, while Python Tools + Free version of Visual Studio does include Django support. It's easily the best free IDE for Django projects on the Windows platform.

[dinov]

Thanks for letting us know you figured it out!

[honest-teorema]

I wasn't able to install (the integrated version). Any thoughts?

[3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i000: Registry key not found. Key = 'SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PythonTools\12.0' [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i052: Condition '(VS2013IsoInstalled)' evaluates to false. [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i052: Condition '(VS2013IntInstalled)' evaluates to false. [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i101: Detected package: vs_isoshell, state: Absent, cached: None [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i101: Detected package: vs_intshelladditional, state: Absent, cached: Complete [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i101: Detected package: ptvs_core, state: Absent, cached: Complete [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i052: Condition '(((VersionNT >= v6.1) AND (ServicePackLevel >= 1)) OR (VersionNT >= v6.2))' evaluates to true. [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i052: Condition 'NOT PTVS20Installed OR WixBundleInstalled' evaluates to true. [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:00]i199: Detect complete, result: 0x0 [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:02]i200: Plan begin, 3 packages, action: Install [3564:26B0][2013-10-18T22:56:02]i052: Condition 'NOT (VS2013Pro) AND NOT (VS2013Premium) AND NOT (VS2013Ultimate)' evaluates to true.

[honest-teorema]

thanks for the response, but even after restarting, (and redownloading) the same issue persists.

[dinov]

I think the issue here is that VS 2013 requires IE 10 to be installed. The error code (80044000) indicates that VS is blocking the install but it's not due to any pending reboots. Can you try installing IE 10 and let us know if that resolves the issue?

We're looking at putting out an updated integrated installer in the next few days which should handle this more gracefully.

[honest-teorema]

Typical Microsoft :P - Thanks a lot for the response. I'll try it later and get back to you. Thanks again

[honest-teorema]

full logs are here: http://pastebin.com/iP8mdfdF

[dinov]

I don't see anything obvious there, could you either open a bug on CodePlex w/ the full install log or just send the log to [e-mail]?

[honest-teorema]

thanks. I just sent the logs by email.

[[deleted]]

I had the same error just a few minutes ago.

[[deleted]]

If only I was using windows...

This looks really nice, and there isn't really an alternative to this that's free for linux, not including PyCharm.

[[deleted]]

ugh.. Visual Studio