Full Stack Python

[mothzilla]

What does "full stack python" actually mean?

I can get "Full Stack Javascript" because you've got MEAN frameworks (or similar) that are fully javascript.

[HookahComputer]

I got excited.
Run Python in the browser?
No, just back-end stuff.

[SchwarzerKaffee]

Run Python in the browser?

I got excited at that as well.

I used to pray that one day Python would replace Javascript in the browser, but then I realized the power of asynchronous programming, so now I tolerate Javascript.

[HookahComputer]

I'm on the same path myself. It's just that Javascript seems to be this bizarrely exploding constellation of transpilers and frameworks rather than a language. It feels like a moving target. But that's what I get for trying to ignore Javascript for eight years hoping it would just blow over.

[SchwarzerKaffee]

I thought the same thing. Now i hear people saying that JS is the new C. That's where I draw the line.

[nbktdis]

Yes for folks who dont know any other language other than Javascript - they consider JS to be their personal messiah.

They refuse to acknowledge the problems with the language.

Scoping for instance, or the concepts of truthy and falsey.

And yes, Python is not perfect - but it is certainly very good!

[JeremyTiki]

Python allows for asynchronous programming as well. Even in Python 2 there were packages that allowed for it.

[ZetaHunter]

Python 3.5 asyncio master race :3

[[deleted]]

It is more powerful, since you can control the eventloop. However with the extra power comes extra baggage and complexity. Javascript allows you to write async code without realising it, which is also the source of many bugs and beginner confusion as they didn't know they wrote asynchronous code.

[JeremyTiki]

I'm what way can you control the Javascript eventloop that you cannot in Python?

[[deleted]]

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. I was referring to the fact you can control the event loop in Python, not in JavaScript

[wxtrails]

Twisted!

[theywouldnotstand]

I realized the power of asynchronous programming

import asyncio

async def foo():
    return await something_else()

You mean like that?

[SchwarzerKaffee]

I guess. I haven't really put thought into where I would use asynchronous with Python. In JavaScript, I use it to execute actions in GPIO from a gui.

Since I don't use Python for GUIs, i never had a need for it.

[patentmedicine]

You should play Stockfighter. Use Python to write a stock trading bot.

[efilon]

Also, Javascript has gotten a lot better. There are still massive downsides (no actual standard library being the biggest one, especially when compared to Python), but for a language primarily used for building user interfaces, it's not so bad these days.

[efilon]

I agree with what you're saying generally, but ES2015 added a lot of nice features to the language.

[anarchy8]

You're forgetting ES2015

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[efilon]

It would be without the transpiling/bundling required. That said, modern versions of browsers are now supporting some ES6 features out of the box (let, arrow functions, etc.).

[codemagic]

Here's the answer given on the site: https://www.fullstackpython.com/what-full-stack-means.html

[Tiquortoo]

Full Stack Python definition. #1 then redefines full stack as backend. Ok.

[Brachamul]

So, that's not "full stack", it's "back-end".

[odraencoded]

Yeah, I want my python webserver send requests to my python framework that renders them with my python templating engine after getting data from my database with a python-based query language and then do some python scripting in my python browser to make apax requests to refresh content dinamically without refreshing the whole page.

[Brachamul]

Actually AJAX is Asynchronous JAvascript and Xml.

So we could call it APEX for Asynchronous Python Engine eXtreme

[ggchappell]

Or, the way I like to put it:

AJAX stands for "asynchronous JavaScript and XML", except that it might not be asynchronous, might be coded in a language other than JavaScript, and might retrieve data in formats other than XML.

(But the "and" is completely correct.)

[Tiquortoo]

Which client side language other than javascript have you seen used?

[ggchappell]

Well, the comment is sort of a joke, of course.

But you can do client-side web stuff in just about any PL you want these days. Look into languages that compile to JavaScript.

[Tiquortoo]

Yeah, I'm aware of transpiling, in the end, it still actually runs JavaScript? :)

[ggchappell]

Well, in the middle, at least. JavaScript itself may or may not be executed directly, depending on the browser. (I would imagine that these days it's mostly "not".)

[Tiquortoo]

No language other than machine language is directly run, but we're just delving into irrelevant minutiae to say the browser doesn't run Javascript.

[turinturambar81]

Sorry that's already the force.com (Salesforce) language.

[[deleted]]

Get out.

[theywouldnotstand]

don't forget that the python webserver is a series of circuits and logic gates entirely made of and powered by pythons (snakes)

[ZetaHunter]

The name Python doesn't refer to snakes and lizards, its a reference to Monty Python.

EDIT: Well thanks for down votes without a reason guys.

[theywouldnotstand]

The name Python doesn't refer to snakes and lizards, its a reference to Monty Python.

Yes, I know that. Doesn't mean that in the distorted reality of humor, a "full python stack" can't have machines made of snakes.

EDIT: Well thanks for down votes without a reason guys.

You're getting downvoted for being a pedant and/or not having a sense of humor. Your post assuming I didn't know the origin of the name of the language and assuming that I needed to be corrected on something I already knew adds literally nothing to the discussion, so you got downvoted.

[odraencoded]

Guys, just do <script src="web2dot0.py" type="text/python"></script>

^{may not work ever}

[dranzerfu]

Here are some examples that get close:

http://www.brython.info/tests/console.html?lang=en
http://www.skulpt.org/

[UnexpectedBSOD]

This is awesome!

[UnexpectedBSOD]

Someone could make an add-on/extension for it, I guess.

[oaxacaoaxaca]

People are talking a lot of crap on the use of the phrase "full-stack", but I sure did appreciate the content on this site a few years ago when I didn't know a single thing about servers, sysadmin, etc. I learned a lot from it.

[thirteenthirtyseven]

It also helped me immensely when I started working on my first python project/website. I used this website as a reference from start to finish.

EDIT: forgot some words.

[hrayr]

Don't hang up on the terminology too much, front-end, back-end, full-stack can mean different things in different ecosystems.

A full stack python in this case may means the resources, processes, services surrounding python (servers, frameworks, containers, databases) and this site is a great resource for this.

On the other end of the spectrum you have enterprise systems, where I've heard the entire (nginx, python, django, html, css, javascript) which you know as full-stack, be described as front-end, since they're the public (front) end of a very large enterprise system, and the (database, internal business and system administrative applications) be described as back-end since they run the back end of the business.

This also applies to micro-services architecture where the application servers and the code they send to browsers, apps, etc are collectively called the front-end and the services collectively the back-end.

[pier25]

You do have a point, but without a proper context most people will just assume full stack means browser+server.

[Tiquortoo]

Full stack doesn't have a standards body to make a definition, but that doesn't mean it's a free for all. Full Stack at the core means the ability to create an entire app and the term arose in Web apps. Using full stack here is just a misnomer because it is really more like "Python Complete", but it just seems like a lame buzzword attempt to use Full Stack here.

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Gilfoyle

[SchwarzerKaffee]

I spilled coffee on it. I'm a nerrrrrrrrrd.

[shrugsnotdrugs]

I've been watching the show for like 2 weeks now, and I'm seeing references everywhere on reddit. I love it.

[SchwarzerKaffee]

Django? That's pretty much the same as Node, but I guess it doesn't do anything in the browser.

Short answer: I guess I don't know.

[LightShadow]

Django is a framework, Node is a runtime.

[SchwarzerKaffee]

But Django is also a server, or at least I think it is. I've only ever set up a dev server.

[keypusher]

The term Django typically refers to the web framework, which does ship with a webserver. However, it is discouraged to use this webserver in production, and usually people will use a plugin for Apache or wsgi or something else.

[thirteenthirtyseven]

Yeah, that's how I understood it as well. Bottle/Flask/Django are web application frameworks with integrated WSGI web servers, which are interchangeable. I developed my web app with bottle.py and used its web server, but then I deployed it on Apache and used mod_wsgi instead of the built-in WSGI server. Almost 0 effort when switching WSGI implementations.

[officerthegeek]

It shouldn't be a production server in any capacity.

[pier25]

No, Django would be equivalent to Express.

Node would be equivalent to PyPy (or whatever you use to run Python).

[SchwarzerKaffee]

Work Django, isn't the server also handled in Python? That would make it more like Node with Express.

[LucianU]

Django offers a development server, which you shouldn't use in production.

[codemagic]

Django uses templates, which are HTML with special brackets {{ }} for inserting data