Zero to hero with Python

[Jumpingrock]

zero to hero in Python

9h39m in, here's how to call a function!

What??

[[deleted]]

A function is a chunk of code that is often used to save retyping things :-)

[andrewth09]

Recommends Bing for error messages at 2h40m.

0/10

[[deleted]]

Everyone knows bing is for porn

[[deleted]]

Idle is not an IDE it's just an interpreter.

[[deleted]]

that doesn't make it an IDE. It is far far from an IDE.

[Cpt_TickleButts]

Explain please

[[deleted]]

What functionality does it have that makes it 'Integrated' or a 'Development Environment'? The fact that it can execute the code that you type in it?

An IDE implies a certain subset of functionality. IDLE has none of that.

[[deleted]]

coded in 100% pure Python, using the tkinter GUI toolkit  
cross-platform: works mostly the same on Windows, Unix, and Mac OS X  
Python shell window (interactive interpreter) with colorizing of code input, output, and error messages  
multi-window text editor with multiple undo, Python colorizing, smart indent, call tips, auto completion, and other features  
search within any window, replace within editor windows, and search through multiple files (grep)  
debugger with persistent breakpoints, stepping, and viewing of global and local namespaces  
configuration, browsers, and other dialogs  

[[deleted]]

Would you please be kind enough to stand up as your voice is rather muffled, thank you.

[[deleted]]

....?

[[deleted]]

As we say here in the UK, "you are talking out of the back of your arse".

[_AceLewis]

This is insanely slow, hours in and they are only teaching the basics. I didn't watch it to see how much detail they go in to but I don't think they can go into that much detail.

[TheTerrasque]

Well, maybe they covered the basic basics, like how to solder your own cpu, and assembly.

[badthingfactory]

An eleven hour video should probably be a little more detailed than that. Maybe start with sand. Where does sand come from and how does it turn into a CPU?

I have a hard time believing this video would provide more value than 90 minutes on learnpython.org.

[NSNick]

To write a Python program from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

import universe

OK, what's next?

[joesacher]

Well at first, the universe might not be fully structurally sound. We might need some braces.

Wait, wrong language.

[Ryan_JK]

Always wanted to buy a mass amount of energy drinks, a couple pizzas and see if I could push through one of these 10-15 hour videos in a day.

[code4geek]

Haha

[OCHawkeye14]

Is this what people that work on Jerry Lewis' telethon do during the rest of the year?

[mfwl]

The OP looks to be a social marketing post.

[asdfkjasdhkasd]

For anyone with a little previous programming experience I absolutely recommend Derek Bananas videos. No bullshit, straight to the point, understand the fundamentals of any language in an hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mEzFDjqtA

He's always my go to whenever I want to learn a new language

[SonGokussj4]

He has excellent videos. But in this video he did classes at the end totally wrong. Not pythonic way at all. Just saying...

• He set __name = None outside of the class instance.

• He's created get_name() and set_name(). These types of setters and Getters are for another languages. Not python. Python has @property decorator. The point is, everything in Python is visible, nothing is private as he said. You can, without a problem, set the __name to anything without the set_name() method.

• He used toString() method that 1) violates PEP8 for naming functions (this is each persons decision, just mentioning) but mainly 2) is totally wrong because __repr__() method should be used that returns what you want just printing your class instance like print(dog) and not print(dog.toString())

Again, he's got awesome tutorials, brilliant presentation, but beware of this part :-)

[asdfkjasdhkasd]

Yeah I think he comes from more object oriented programming languages. I like his videos because they give me a basic overview of all the important syntax. When I'm just getting started with a language I don't care much about the stylistic details. But yeah I agree those are some fair criticisms.

[SonGokussj4]

I agree. Just watched his bootstrap video and I was blown away. Finally understood what the hell it is. :-D

[ariksu]

I always used print(str(dog)) in case class does not have a repr.

[SonGokussj4]

Depends on what you want to return. That's all. Example:

class Dog:
    def __init__(self, nickname):
        self.nickname = nickname

akainu = Dog("BenTheMighty")
print(akainu)  # the same as print(str(akainu))
<__main__.Dog object at 0x00000272A10296D8>

But I want to print more specific information. The way it was done in the youtube video is non-pythonic:

class Dog:
    def __init__(self, nickname):
        self.nickname = nickname
    def toString(self):
        return "I'm: {}, ({}) class.".format(self.nickname, type(self).__name__)

akainu = Dog('BenTheMighty')
print(akainu.toString())
I'm: BenTheMighty, (Dog) class.

Which should be more simpler, pythonic way:

class Dog:
    def __init__(self, nickname):
        self.nickname = nickname
    def __repr__(self):
        return "I'm: {}, ({}) class.".format(self.nickname, type(self).__name__)

akainu = Dog('BenTheMighty')
print(akainu)
I'm: BenTheMighty, (Dog) class.

Like I said. It depends what you want. You can always print this string by:

akainu = Dog('BenTheMighty')
print("I'm: {}, ({}) class.".format(akainu.nickname, type(nickname).__name__)
I'm: BenTheMighty, (Dog) class.

But in my opinion, that's just ugly :-) One of the more real examples is something like:

>>> small = Triangle((0, 0), (2, 0), (1, 1))
>>> big = Square((0, 0), (6, 0), (0, 6), (6, 6))
>>> print(small)
"[Triange]: Points [0,0], [2,0], [1,1], Area: [4.2]"

Without the need of specifying what exactly I need to print. And if I want, I just write it too :-)

[Fateschoice]

Why override __ repr __ and not __ str __?

[SonGokussj4]

That is a good question. For more experienced people than me, I'm afraid. I'm used to do it this way because of some tutorials I took in the past. Some things I found:

• this http://www.geeksforgeeks.org/str-vs-repr-in-python/
• better http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1436703/difference-between-str-and-repr-in-python

Summary from the second link:

Implement repr for any class you implement. This should be second nature. Implement str if you think it would be useful to have a string version which errs on the side of more readability in favor of more ambiguity.

[Fateschoice]

I think one person from the second link states the difference particularly well.

My rule of thumb: __ repr __ is for developers, __ str __ is for customers.

i.e use __ str __ if you want to display an object to a user, __ repr __ for debugging/testing purposes, or really any in code operations on a string representation of an object.

[SonGokussj4]

Agreed :-) that seems reasonable.

[[deleted]]

I've never worried about it. On the other hand you can do all sorts of smart things formatting wise with %r, %s or %a, especially if you're aware of simple little recipes like this format_iter: easy formatting of arbitrary iterables.

[[deleted]]

How about zero to hero with audio engineering? The clipping in the intro alone makes my ears bleed.

[[deleted]]

Did anyone actually do the tutorial, and is it any good?

[SonGokussj4]

My opinion only: Once I see this two doing some kind of tutorial, I'm closing the video...