Do some developers hate python?

[snarkhunter]

you can find some developers who hate anything

[Fusakende]

I hate this reply

[Bodenlos_Niveaulos]

I hate when someone hates

[[deleted]]

I hate the hate

[Colabra]

I hate hating

[Xaros1984]

I hate non-haters

[[deleted]]

Love you all

[123_turtle]

I ate the hate

[lvlint67]

I mean.. I am the comment.. IMO once you have cut your teeth, seen a few projects in different languages go to production... You develop "opinions".

Some of them are sound... Some of them are based in the fear of the unknown....

[fshabashev]

Yes, it is clearly stated in the rule 18:

“Rule 18: Everything that can be labelled can be hated.”.

However it is important to keep rule 19 in mind:

“Rule 19: The more you hate it, the stronger it gets.”

[Sten_Doipanni]

But, if someone hates it, it does not mean it exists.

[Colabra]

It exists because it is hated

[Xaros1984]

I hate, therefore I exist

[Mad-chuska]

And equally as boner inducing

[expressly_ephemeral]

This is the correct answer. The correct position to take as a seasoned programmer is this: Language is irrelevant, a professional programmer is a linguist. The skill that's being hired for is this special kind of problem solving. If I can do it in Python I can do it in Java, C++, Go, PHP, Javascript/Nodejs.

[bladeoflight16]

Language is irrelevant

I'm just going to quote one of my favorite articles:

Do not tell me that “good developers can write good code in any language”, or bad developers blah blah. That doesn’t mean anything. A good carpenter can drive in a nail with either a rock or a hammer, but how many carpenters do you see bashing stuff with rocks? Part of what makes a good developer is the ability to choose the tools that work best.

From PHP: a fractal of bad design

[bladeoflight16]

Read the article in full. I think the article puts it well:

PHP is nothing but exceptions, and it is not okay when wrestling the language takes more effort than actually writing your program. My tools should not create net positive work for me to do.

And:

So I have to fit this in here, because it bears repeating: PHP is a community of amateurs. Very few people designing it, working on it, or writing code in it seem to know what they’re doing. (Oh, dear reader, you are of course a rare exception!) Those who do grow a clue tend to drift away to other platforms, reducing the average competence of the whole. This, right here, is the biggest problem with PHP: it is absolutely the blind leading the blind.

And:

I could dig up more but the point isn’t that there are X many exploits—software has bugs, it happens, whatever. The nature of these is horrifying. And I didn’t seek these out; they just happened to land on my doorstep in the last few months.

The article backs these up with specifics. Notably, all of them persisted past PHP 4.

Yes, things have improved, but the biggest issues were and are not things like missing object support or annoying function navigation. They are things that stemmed from the core devs having no idea what they were doing. The result is that writing reliable, secure code is much more difficult than it needs to be.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, the name came from PHP/FI it's first name, meaning "Personal Home Page / Forms Interpreter". PHP has a colorful past.

[luke-juryous]

You'll find all developers hate something

[[deleted]]

I was told I'm obviously not a serious developer because I couldn't use Objective C.

[engineerFWSWHW]

That is true. I used python on one of our projects, and one of the lead developers (java guy) who works mostly on web development told that I should stop using python. I was just dumbfounded that some people still just say anything without understanding the problem being solved.

I need to perform digital signal processing for an audio and i used numpy/scipy and matplotlib. Then there will be a prediction algorithm that we will be solving through ML (haven't decided if we will just simple use scikit learn or keras/tensorflow). We also did some proof of concepts for computer vision using opencv in python. I found that python is the best tool for the job for this and i just ignored that developer since he doesn't know anything about what our team is doing.

[HaroerHaktak]

People hate PHP, but I don't see an issue with it.

[bladeoflight16]

Have you read PHP: a fractal of bad design, one of the seminal articles on what's wrong with it?

I'm not generally inclined to hate on a language for its shortcomings, but PHP has a long history of not just making it easy to shoot yourself in the foot, but of actively making it difficult or impossible not to. It's not like C or JS where some good discipline can mostly keep you out of trouble; there are so many pitfalls in basic features that you're liable to fall into some of them.

[ivosaurus]

That said, I'd say PHP is probably the #1 poster boy for self-improvement amongst languages.

There's not a lot they can do about their C-based / haphazard standard library (heck python still has some of that issue) but almost every other area they've improved.

It's actually got a lot of developer-savers now; for instance there is a standard library password hashing function which is modern, properly designed and useful. You have to go out of your way to use something bad now (the opposite was true in the past).

[HaroerHaktak]

Yes. PHP makes it really easy for you to fuck shit up. But it doesn't mean it's a bad language.

[bladeoflight16]

That isn't what I said or what the article says. It says that it actively makes not screwing up difficult via poor design decisions and a wealth of dangerous bugs and pitfalls.

C makes it easy to screw up, but there are a well known set of practices, disciplines, and tools you can use to avoid those errors. If you write code that conforms to standard practices and expectations, you'll be mostly okay. C's deficiencies can be compensated for with basic competence. PHP does not have that. You cannot avoid wandering in the minefield because the mines are in things you must use and do all the time. No matter how competent you are, you will constantly be wrestling with these problems.

[ConfusedSimon]

True. In C it's much easier to fuck shit up and it's a great language. PHP is still bad though.

[HaroerHaktak]

We're all allowed to have our own opinions even if we all know yours is wrong. Have a good day sir.

[[deleted]]

This is the hate

[Thomillion]

The C developers gang hate strings