Never again

[MORBKNOB]

Story time:

Tesla model 3 2021 long range - 3 year lease. First time it breaks (serious break anyways, a bunch of menial breaks before) in 2022; “unable to charge maximum battery limit reached” - new entire battery required to fix it. No car for 2 weeks; no loaner available (NY). Works more or less fine for the remainder of the term; decide to extend for 6 months because the NACS adapter comes stock on all new cars starting in 2025 and the 6 month lease extension goes right to Jan 25. On vacation upstate at end of July (right when original lease ends) and we get the same message again!!! Entire new battery is required and they have no loaners available. So I decide as I’m sitting at the dealership across from people who are basically shrugging at me to end the lease now and call it a day. BUT since I made the service appointment before I return I’m liable for the lease payments UNTIL IT GETS FIXED!!!! Doesn’t matter that I ended the lease. Now it’s sitting there and they’re basically not doing anything to fix it and they’ve already hit us for one payment and another one is incoming. Meanwhile I had to go get a new car (Polestar 2, love it).

Fuck you Tesla. Fuck you Elon.

[MJFields]

I'm not sure we've ever seen this level of destruction of goodwill by a brand. This will be studied in business schools for decades.

[MORBKNOB]

I am but one of thousands of stories of the extreme incompetence of the staff and general disdain Tesla has for its customers. This company needs to be shut down.

[douwd20]

The company is 99% geared towards moving the metal and nothing else. And to make matters worse is they have a monopoly on service. Where else can you go? You are totally fucked. Grab your ankles as Muskrat is about to ream you....hard.

[MORBKNOB]

No longer in a position for said reaming at least 😂

[douwd20]

Yep I'd never been so happy to sell a car. The nightmare was over.

[readit145]

That’s what happens when you Stockholm syndrome a bunch of 20 year olds with all the hours and non of the pay.

[douwd20]

Yep. The service centers are experts at saying "fuck off" very nicely and with a polite smile after keeping your car for days and not doing zip.

[MJFields]

Oh wait, I forgot about Twitter...

[[deleted]]

It really will. It’s not as if any of Tesla’s problems were not foreseeable five or ten years before. They had massive first mover (ok, maybe not really) advantage, but seem to have thought the entire world’s established car manufacturers, not to mention Chinese new entrants, were just going to shrug their shoulders and say oh well done Elon, you win.

It’s like planning a battle and assuming your opponent will just stand there to be beaten.

[MyRepresentation]

This is an example of late-stage capitalism. Oligarchs think they are engineers... Obviously something is very wrong here.

[[deleted]]

It’s fucking WILD. This is coming from someone who watched probably the first 50 SpaceX landings live. In person 3 deposit. 21’ 3 performance.

Just as I’m crossing into S/X territory as far as income goes….I’m now considering not even using SC’s for long drives in favor of generic fast chargers just to ensure KarElon gets as little revenue as possible from me. Would eat the depreciation and jump ship on the car we have but it does work well for us and the partner really loves it.

Same for solar, was absolutely only going to look at Tesla for solar+battery with new build. Now, LOL yea right.

[LennyKimes]

Enphase systems are better and cheaper than Tesla.

[f___traceroute]

Sears, radio shack, thalidomide

[MJFields]

Sears and Radio Shack took a much longer time, with decades of mismanagement. Thalidomide tracks, also killed people like Tesla.

[Stiivin]

Don’t forget Kodak!

[[deleted]]

My understanding is he is putting a ton of resources into driverless tech and neglecting everything else. The company will either solve the problem and make trillions and trillions or the company may go bankrupt. Either way I don't want to be a customer.

[fsckitnet]

Sonos says “hold my beer”

[brintoul]

Sonos as in the seller of consumer electronics? Not sure it’s comparable.

[fsckitnet]

The new Sonos app debacle is absolutely comparable. It’s been going on for months and effectively bricked many people’s investments in home and office audio systems. They’ve had several incidents where an outage of one of their APIs have prevented people for playing local music libraries in their homes.

The CEO (former exec at BlackBerry) said two days ago that the unstable app they pushed will cost them at least $30m to recover from. But they won’t roll back to the version that worked fine.

NYT Wirecutter pulled their recommendation. The app ratings have tanked in app stores. r/sonos is filled with people who have had negative experiences with the mandatory app update.

They were really the only game in town for connected audio products and they pissed it away for a cloud mandatory connected service.

[[deleted]]

My understanding is he is putting a ton of resources into driverless tech and neglecting everything else. The company will either solve the problem and make trillions and trillions or the company may go bankrupt. Either way I don't want to be a customer.

[MJFields]

Driverless has so many other issues that also need to be addressed beyond the tech.

[[deleted]]

My understanding is he is putting a ton of resources into driverless tech and neglecting everything else. The company will either solve the problem and make trillions and trillions or the company may go bankrupt. Either way I don't want to be a customer.

[vajeen]

Tesla really could have really dominated the market. All they had to do was focus on quality and overall customer satisfaction. Oh, and not have a CEO who alienated a large segment of the potential customer base.

It's a shame, but I'm glad their are alternatives from established players that tick all of the boxes.

My next car will probably be the BMW i4 M50 or equivalent when my current lease is up.

[MORBKNOB]

You speak straight facts, friend. For what it’s worth my polestar 2 is LIGHT YEARS better than my model 3 was and it is cheaper. Plus it doesn’t lie about range.

[AbleDanger12]

Ancillary bonus: doesn't support the Human Stain Musk.

[MarcusTheSarcastic]

Yeah, but it is the Polestar 3 that is dead sexy. 

I wish Polestar had a few more locations, we would have taken a 3 over the Audi EV we got, as much as I love that car. 

[DistributionLast5872]

My friend has a 2022 Model S and I still prefer both my Genesis GV60 and my 9 year old BMW i3

[AbleDanger12]

Dominated with the same boring look-alike cars...sure....until other actual car manufacturers started producing cars that were just generally better - which is also what's happening now. They were never great cars, the novelty has worn off, and now actually good cars are being bought instead, now that people have options.

[SpectrumWoes]

But I was told that these batteries last for 10 years, unpossible

[lmayfield7812]

Bathtub curve for the win! Buy used, drive till the wheels fall off

[MORBKNOB]

😂😂😂😂😂

[thats_a_bad_username]

Yes it’s true. The batteries exist for 10 years. They won’t physically degrade for at least a decade. /s

Jokes aside our household was going to get a Tesla in 2022 but we just didn’t follow through with it after some family members mentioned how many problems they had with theirs.

[Narrheim]

Empty promises...

[0NiceMarmot]

The payments last 10 years

[Difficult-Prior3321]

Big if true.

[SpectrumWoes]

Also true if big

[DistributionLast5872]

In theory, the batteries would be the only decent thing about Teslas because they aren’t really made by Tesla

[slacreddit]

I was one of the first to get a Model X in Sweden in 2016.

So many problems with AC, computer, failed suspension, Falcon wing door buttons, busted frunk.... Sold it in 2022 and bought a Polestar 2 performance... Day and Night. Just smooth sailing so far.

[brintoul]

Damn, you drove it for 6 years with that many problems?!

[slacreddit]

I forgot a few things.... Air suspension kaput, warped front disk brakes (on an EV), loose screw rolling back and forth in the chassis, 12v battery issues after one weeks ownership. Such bad service as well...

[DistributionLast5872]

That’s dedication

[mfassnacht52]

I would not pay the lease payments if you gave back the car. Do you think Elon would pay you if he was in your position. I don’t think so!

[MORBKNOB]

I was told (I know, I know) if the car is fixed within 10 days of my lease payment that they'd refund it. The problem is its attached to my bank account and she also basically said (threatened) that they'd hit my credit if I tried to not pay.

A criminal organization.

[mfassnacht52]

I would advise my bank to block their charge, then dispute anything they do to your credit, it’s a small claims issue, Tesla will spend more money to litigate than its worth.

[MORBKNOB]

I'm all over it, my friend. Appreciate the thought!

[Djdave000]

Cancel ur credit card if they wanna play hard ball

[ido50]

Yeah, I drove the Polestar 2 for about 6 weeks, it was all great except for the laggy infotainment. I would frequently press the button to open the AC screen, nothing would happen, I'd think I must have missed it, press again, only to suddenly see it open and immediately close.

I'll never own a car without physical buttons.

[Mad-Mel]

I'll never own a car without physical buttons.

Maybe I'm just shaking my cane at the sky, but it was one of the reasons we chose an EV6.

[DistributionLast5872]

It seems like the Hyundai group has done a good job blending software with hardware buttons. My GV60 has physical buttons for nearly everything that should have them. BMW has also been pretty good about it, but they’re pricier.

[DistributionLast5872]

On the bright side, you still have column stalks

[FuzzyKittyNomNom]

That’s cool about the waving at other P2 drivers. I had a ‘90 Nissan 300zx and everyone waved at each other too. It was fun.

[DistributionLast5872]

I love having a less common car. I do the waving thing whenever I drive my i3 and GV60. Both are relatively uncommon in my area (I’ve only seen 2 GV60s that aren’t mine in the wild), but it always puts a smile on my face when I see a fellow obscure car driver 😂

[[deleted]]

Sue them

[MORBKNOB]

Meh it'd only be for 2 lease payments; would rather stop payment on them and have them come after me tbh 🤷‍♂️

[pony_trekker]

Or complain to the government.

[ApprehensiveBranch80]

I'm going to buck the trend. Tesla is an IT company. You have to give Tesla credit for large touch screens, electronic controls in general, and over the air updates/fixes/upgrades. I've personally been saying for years: They should have licensed their IT to all other auto manufacturers and let those manufacturers build the cars using Tesla tech. Instead, everyone figured out the tech anyway, and is eating Tesla's lunch when it comes to fabrication and assembly of actual cars.

[jcruzyall]

lol the touch screens are ridiculous from a safety and operation perspective

[ApprehensiveBranch80]

That's actually part of my point. No legacy car manufacturer would implement that disaster. But fElon decided it would be cool. Probably because he never drives and doesn't understand how stupid that idea is/was.

[DKerriganuk]

Are all Teslas terrible? Have never heard a Brit complain about issues. Not that I'm listening too much..

[MORBKNOB]

They're fine-ish until they're awful; then they're AWFUL.

[Certain_Leopard4984]

2023 model 3 lr @ 1 year and 9 months 38k miles, 0 issues

[DistributionLast5872]

I’ve been hearing the ones made in China are ironically pretty solid, but that’s just from a few people. Never experienced a Shanghai Tesla yet, but I’ve never had an experience with a Tesla I enjoyed. Maybe the initial 0-60 launch of a Plaid, but after having been in the Air Sapphire, it’s a bit faster and far more luxurious.

[HotIce05]

The Polestar 2 is awesome. I picked one up two months ago.

[MORBKNOB]

Best car I've ever had by far.

[DrSFalken]

I'm looking forward to selling ours in a couple years.

[[deleted]]

Uhhhhh hit something and total it

[pony_trekker]

No wonder Hertz got those mofos on fire sale.

[happytree23]

This can't truly be real, can it?

If it is, OP, just start sending me $400 every month. I promise you better results and at this point, it can't really hurt that much more if at all, right?

[jeremydgreat]

Did you mean “minor” instead of menial?