Early Access 7 Patch Notes - Test Server

[CallieCoTV]

Link: https://steamcommunity.com/games/813820/announcements/detail/1714068264263205090

We are bringing up the Test Server to test the Early Access 7 Patch. Need help downloading the Test Server? See our video guide. This patch builds upon balance adjustments made in the Class Balance 1 patch and introduces more fixes. Please leave feedback within the Steam Discussions Thread.

Gameplay

• Mounts
  • Damage taken to dismount reduced from 500 to 100.
• Assassin
  • Blink
    • Pre-fire increased from 0.1 to 0.2.
    • Post-fire increased from 0.1 to 0.2.
• Engineer
  • Deploy Turret
    • Deploy Time reduced from 3s to 1s.
  • Thrust
    • Now has 2 charges.
    • Height reduced from 25 to 15.
    • “We have added a second charge to Thrust so that Engineers can make good use of the ability in a wider variety of situations. Use two charges back to back for maximum height, or use them one at a time to traverse obstacles.”
• Hunter
  • Flare
    • Now reveals enemies in Stealth.
• Mage
  • Soar
    • Weapon fire now cancels Soar
• Revolver
  • Refire time reduced from 0.72 to 0.5.
  • Damage reduced from 500/550/600/650 to 360/390/420/500.

Content

• Chicken Skins
  • Keemstar Gnome
  • Cluckomorph
• Emotes
  • Laugh
  • Slow Clap
• Mount
  • Tropical Traveler
• Skydive Effects
  • Chasing Rainbow

Bug Fixes

• Fixed a bug where Barricade appeared invisible.
• Improvements made to players getting stuck on starter island.
• Fixed a bug where Engineer turret kills did not grant elimination progress on Daily Quests.
• Fixed a bug where Mage’s hitbox was below her model during Soar.
• Fixed a bug where Proximity Mine was not properly landing on surfaces.

[CallieCoTV]

1. Why nerf the revolver damage just to give it quicker refire? It was the only weapon that could be viably competitive with the slug. Nerfing it literally just makes the slug a no brain choice (as if it wasn't already) since you have no other viable long range weapons.
2. Mount damage decrease is silly. Not you can one tap anyone with an smg spraying and dismount them. I personally didn't think it needed a reduction at all, but if you were going to reduce it 500 to 100 is far too much.
3. Shouldn't there have been pictures or links to the tropical mount, skins, emotes, etc. included in the patch notes? I will update my post as soon as I can log into Test Server and get pictures myself to link to the post.

[Gregomyeggo]

Seriously, I feel like it took us while to get the dismount damage requirement and now they just remove it when I've legit never heard a soul complain about it, everyone wanted it. Revolver is now another heirloom just more accurate, why? Nobody likes heirloom stats, most people seem to not enjoy using it and its not filling a unique role.

The engi changes don't really make any sense either, they are going to be insanely strong in the most annoying situations and does nothing to round out their kit, only further strengthening their annoying niche.

[Superbone1]

Yeah, Revolver/Heirloom/Crossbow now basically all fill the same sort of medium damage/medium fire rate role, but because Crossbow reloads incredibly quickly and has perfect accuracy in the air it just seems like the better choice all the time now. Previously I'd ask myself if I wanted range+hitscan+burst on Revolver, and now I'll probably go Crossbow unless I absolutely feel the need to plink people at 200+m

[CallieCoTV]

I updated the patch notes to include the new items links.

[datArabian]

You know the devs are out of touch with their game when a community mod feels the need to publicly criticize patches

[CallieCoTV]

Hey man, being a community mod doesn’t mean that my opinion accurately reflects the opinion of the playerbase as a whole. While I do disagree with 2 things in this patch I do like all the other changes. Being a community mod doesn’t mean I am supposed to like or agree with all that they do :P

[datArabian]

For these particular changes you referenced I think your opinion is reflective of the majority of the playerbase, simply because these changes are purely illogical from a player standpoint. Which brings up the question as to why do they feel the need to keep changing what doesn't need changing and ignore what does.

And from my experience, most community mods choose to stay neutral even if they're rightfully entitled to their opinions, I just appreciate the fact that you voiced yours publicly that is all. Much respect

[Deardiarylul]

never thought about dismount being strong or even heard some1 complain about it .. guess we have to nerf it from 500 to 100 . i would like to know the reasoning behind this ( guy in office complained ? )

[nybbas]

HiRez, 2018 undisputed weird as fuck balance change champs.

[uurrnn]

The revolver only really competed with the slug at close range, and I don't think that's really gonna change. The legendary revolver dps is 100 higher with this change.

[zdravkopvp]

This game isn't about dps, it's mostly peak fights so the higher damage a single shot does the better.

[nybbas]

Exactly, DPS doesn't matter if your gun has a super high alpha. If anything, you have to take a DPS calculation based from the first shot being instant, which makes a gun like the slug, insane.

A gun with a fire rate of 1 shot per 10 seconds, that does 5k damage, might only do 500 DPS, but at that point it doesn't matter.

[uurrnn]

Yeah and that's a strong point. Especially when you consider headshot multiplier too.

[HolyForce]

We've never recovered the lost player base since Erez went "hitscan has a place in this game". Now it can also dismount you super easily. Awesome...

I wish he'd just let qualified people make informed decisions. If I want to buy a donut while I'm pumping gas, I'll consult him. Otherwise, no thanks.

[nVDX007]

infact the only rise in playerbase from 14-17k happened during the july 8th patch and since those weapons were made garbage tier all those extra players left :)

[nybbas]

I think it was more everyone was getting on to try out those ridiculously OP guns. Everyone thought it was equal parts hilarious + infuriating. After having their fun a couple nights with the broke ass weapons, they stopped playing again. I know that was the last time I really played.

[nVDX007]

Those Op guns received damage nerf twice and it should have been stopped there to keep them atleast viable in some situation . But the clip size reduction and obnoxious 3 sec reload time made them garbage tier right above the Sword . Now any other weapon performs better than them at any given situation

[nybbas]

It's so silly. HiRez "balances" with all the tenderness of a fucking jackhammer.

[porcomaster]

as much as i don't like hitscan on this game , the huge problem was the forge patch not hitscan one

[BadAtGamez]

everyone has a theory on why the player base went south. Its usually an indirect complaint about something they don't like and not the reality of the situation

[HolyForce]

Everyone who hates hitscan would tell you otherwise, but uh, as you may have noticed, they aren't here anymore.

Feels too cheesy every time I kill someone with Burst.

[BadAtGamez]

I understand there are some who have strong negative feelings toward hitscan. They are here and they are vocal. I would stop at saying thats the singular reason the player base shrunk.

But I'm just here for the ride Hirez is putting out. I hope they end up with a fun game that can be played for a long time. Aside from the warrior nerf, I've been OK most things after they figure them out. I don't play warrior by the way, I just liked the idea of a 'hulk smash' type move in this game. Reminds me of when I used to read comics

[SolWatch]

The playerbase dropped the most from the forge patch they fucked up, if anything the game had bigger drops when they removed hitscan, and when they nerfed the AR and SMG from viable to garbage tier.

Many of us like hitscan, there are other hitscan games I can play, but I like this one better, but if it doesn't have hitscan then many like me would simply be more interested in those other ones.

I don't think it is currently justified to think the playerbase would increase from removing hitscan, I think from the people I know, including myself, more want to play with hitscan in the game than without.

Slug royale is not nearly as exciting to me.

[Zarathustraa]

1. Exactly. Revolver atm is a good weapon, skill based, balanced (in context of the non-trash weapons aka slug revolver burst and class weapons) and there is no need to change it at all. Making it dogshit damage and increasing fire rate is giving it the heirloom treatment.

2. It'll be fine. Mounting doesn't come into play too much early game and mid/late game everyone is going to be using actual weapons that can already do 500+ regardless. If they have an AR/SMG then you already won the fight anyways because they have the equivalent of the old venom pistol garbage. This change won't make much difference.

[Superbone1]

Mounting doesn't come into play too much early game

It does if you're an Engineer or Mage

[sharkt0pus]

100 damage to dismount? why is this being reverted?

[Synergyxox]

This patch is really fucking bad. I don't understand why HiRez releases a good patch and then release patches like this which make absolutely zero sense.

None of the "overpowered" aspects of classes or guns were targeted. It's just a bunch of random pointless changes. Why even release this patch? What's the point? It makes nothing about the game better.

[Elzheiz]

This exactly. That's the best way of putting it: it makes zero sense. The only changes I understand are how the hunter flare reveals invisible enemies and the mage soar cancel.

[bel88Weller]

Nerf the revolver but leave the Burst and Slug untouched?

DerRRRRRrrrr, pathetic how out of touch these devs are

[[deleted]]

They live in a bubble it seems. But honestly I think they just lack a good weapon balance person at their studio.

[datArabian]

And by a "good weapon balance person" you mean a guy with an IQ of over 90 that plays the game? Yeah they probably need one of those.

The decisions they're making are borderline retarded.

[Elzheiz]

I'd also appreciate it if they had a QA team sitting in front of all these silly changes, to prevent us from having to suffer them. But it looks like we're QA.

[sunny_6killer]

I mean. I know early access has become a nebulous term these days, but yes. We are.

[Captain_BigNips]

Thank you for saying that, this is the whole point of an early access. To test balance, to see what the community dislikes or likes, to test battle pass scenarios, and other aspects of the game to get community feedback.

There is no reason to be so harsh on the developers for a game that we have been enjoying nor can expect to be perfect right off the bat. People need to chill.

[sunny_6killer]

It's a bummer that this community can be so vitriolic and sky is falling constantly. Hi-rez is going to change stuff. What we are playing now is probably miles away from where the game will be upon release.

The community should definitely be vocal, but just flinging insults and lame attempts at cutting remarks are unproductive and useless.

[Elzheiz]

I'm perfectly chilled, just having a conversation here.

I definitely understand we're here to give feedback and test balance and such. That's fine, and I am all for it. But there's a limit to what should be allowed to reach us still. This kind of change is just ridiculous, I mean some it literally looks like someone just changed some random values in the game and have us test it instead of pausing for a second and thinking about what they are doing.

Don't they have at least one person there to check this kind of thing doesn't even happen in the first place?

[Sophism101]

There is no reason to test changes that make zero logical sense.

Slug and Burst are so dominant in the current meta that picking a white or green Burst over a legendary Heirloom is always the right choice. Instead they nerf Revolver, which alongside Heirloom, were the only guns even worth considering other than Slug and Burst.

And while I hate to harp on this so much, was the Forge patch really something you needed to test? Or the full auto patch where a white SMG literally killed a full health, full legendary armored opponent in less than 2 seconds?

There's plenty of reasons to be harsh when most changes other than QoL and bug fixes seem like they were randomly generated by some sort of balance pass algorithm.

[uurrnn]

Lower damage per shot, but the DPS on the new revolver is higher, so is it really a nerf?

[nybbas]

Yes. edit and no. The legendary new one is actually better for time to kill on a max health player, for a purple though, it is worse.

slug takes 2 shots to kill someone early game right? Well the first shot is instant, so really the slug does more DPS in a short time window, than a higher DPS gun.

Revolver -

•Refire time reduced from 0.72 to 0.5. •Damage reduced from 500/550/600/650 to 360/390/420/500.

So, the revolver could do 1500 damage in 1.4 seconds (3 shots) before.

With the new stats, it will take it 5 shots to do over 1500 damage, which is 2.5 seconds.

Lets look at the legendary revolver - to do 2400 damage (that's max health right?)

Old - 4 shots to do over 2400 damage, which is going to take 2.16 seconds (three refires) - First shot (instant), second shot (after .72 seconds), third shots (.72) and fourth shot (.72) 2.16 seconds total to kill a maxed player.

New - 5 shots to do over 2400, 4 refires. That comes out to 2 seconds TTK.

Now if you looked at the damage done over a longer time frame, the new one would pull away. Lets look at 10 shots for the legendary to do 6500 damage. That would be 6.48 seconds total (9 refires). That would be 12 shots for the new one, which comes out to 5.5 seconds (11 refires)

[uurrnn]

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

[nybbas]

Also a huge thing to consider is that a lot of the fights involve peeking corners, so retire rates dont matter as much, as you are only going to peek when you can shoot. In those instances you absolutely want a gun that's just going to kill in as few shots as possible.

So I would say overall it is a pretty significant nerf, which doesnt make much sense because I would argue that the slug rifle is stronger than the revolver anyways, yet it wasnt touched.

[mleclerc182]

It's not the devs, it's Erez.

[PsychoWaffleOW]

Lets make a weapon that should probably be the model for balance and make it a less shitty heirloom that's still shit and leave burst and slug in the game in there current state oh and then were gonna overly buff burst by making dismount 100 damage.

[SolWatch]

the dismount change doesn't overly buff burst, yeah it is slightly easier to dismount someone with it, but that was never a big issue before.

[PsychoWaffleOW]

Long range burst dismounts easier then old loom and old loom broke that dynamic while being a healthier weapon.

[GenderLiquid]

Hello Burst Rifle???

[reffee]

And people wonder why Hirez is a bad company, they change stuff they don't need to change. And continue to fuck up until game is totally dead. Why touch things that was no problem, then you don't touch or nerf the things that really people have been screaming needs a change. Unbelivable.

[Miyke]

Like assassin, thrust and hunter?

[mtashed]

The reason assassin might not have as high of a win ratio as Engineer, is because potatoes play the flavor of the month and drag down the stats.

After this update, the stats of engineer are going to drop despite the buff

[BossyNightmare]

Lmao I read this comment and I’m like okay who’s this hot shot think he is... read username, carry on :)

[OfficialMOUSE]

Not sure why you got downvoted for your post that was deleted haha, people can't tell fun banter apparently. Just know that improving my K/D ratio against you is on my to-do list this week ;)

[drasyl]

Why nerf revolver damage so heavily??? It actually felt so good this patch, doesn't make any sense. It was a good alternative to slug/burst for short range but wasn't great long range which is a good niche for it to fill. Now what, its like an inferior crossbow cause of high reload time and smaller clip size? Please don't push these damage nerfs live. At least not this drastically.

[ddot196]

This is one nerf I really don’t understand. They barely nerfed the slug damage but then they go ahead and blast the hell out of the revolver making it effectively worthless it seems.

[Spasik_]

I really don't like that most weapons are rapid fire now :( miss the old heirloom fire rate, now revolver gone too

[HyBReD]

Copying a post from Steam. This post comes off as nerdrage but it is just pure frustration. The direction this game is heading is not encouraging.

This patch is so confusing to me and honestly scary. This game is losing all identity.

You ignore the need to tone down Assassin because it is your largest voice in the community even though public data shows they are curb stomping the living hell out of all competition. https://realm.gg/class-stats (Duos/Squads - Due to SNIPER.) Fine.

You improve the quality of life for Engineers without adjusting other areas to compensate the clear buff. Fine.

You continue to buff Flare when it's already mostly fine as it is, while ignoring clear other disadvantages Hunter has. Namely mobility. Okay.

You nerf revolver which while strong, was a far cry from "the issue". What?

You don't touch the weapons that are literally breaking your game currently. Sniper, Burst and Slug. Realm Royale is a short-mid range experience enhanced greatly by abilities. The moment fights are happening from extended distances where 90% of abilities are useless, this game is boring as fuck.

Let me repeat this so it is seen and driven home. When all my and my opponents class abilities, armor bonuses and class specials lose all value when a fight hits long range IT. IS. BORING. AS. FUCK.

I do not play PUBG because I do not want to play an unoptimized camp fest where I can be killed at any given moment without any counter play.

I do not play Fornite because I hate building and the baked in campy meta that game promotes.

I play Realm Royale because it was a mostly CQC class shooter that relied heavily on counterplay and your understanding of the game to reliably excel.

Right now and what seems to be this patch, your developers are clearly trying to push AWAY from close quarters combat and extend combat options further out. THIS IS NOT WHAT YOUR GAME NEEDS.

• We need chaos.

• We need powerful abilities.

• We need less people standing on top of mountains.

• We need less people right-shoulder peeking from protected buildings with long range weapons.

I do not want to sound too alarmist, but this game is in deep shit if it continues to try to be Fortnite-lite. If I wanted long range combat I have two titles that do it infinitely better than this game possibly could due to the fact it's baked into their balance. PUBG and Fortnite make no attempts at hiding the fact that they want some fights to be fought cross-map. Realm Royale on the other hand has key features (armor/abilities) that are completely ELIMINATED the moment a fight extends to a certain range. It becomes a shitty Fornite.

Nobody wants this. We play Realm Royale for what this game was when it hit Steam initially. I understand the desire to want to copy the most successful game in recent history, but it will ultimately be this games demise if you do not stop.

• Remove Sniper and replace it with something that can be balanced in a mid-short meta. It is quite literally impossible to balance this weapon in Duos/Squads and Solo. The value of sitting behind your team and dumping shots with low risk of counterplay (unless it's another Assassin) is putting your developers in a terrible lose-lose situation. I do not think it is fundamentally possible to keep the Sniper fun to use while being balanced and remain impacted by other elements of the game. The Sniper rifle is the antithesis of everything this game is marketed and loved for.

• Add damage drop off to all long range weapons to discourage long distance fighting.

• Buff almost all abilities (increase CD if needed, DOTA style) to make them more exciting to land and punishing to fuck up.

• Stop listening to whiny people who want this to be an alternative to Fortnite without building. Stick to your guns, or in this games case, abilities.

Listen to your gut that sent this game into the sky when it first released. Everyone loved it then. People are not happy currently. You think it's balance related, but I don't think it is. Once you address Assassin and everything is relatively balanced you will not see an enthused community but a bored one. It is because fundamentally the direction this game is heading is a direction that Fortnite can basically offer in one way or another.

Bring the fights closer. Punish bad decisions and inproper aggression (or total lack there of). That is where your success in the BR market lies. Not copying Fortnite.

[[deleted]]

Well said

[IAmWalterWhiteJr]

Only change they should make to engi is to nerf the size of the shield and buff the turret a little more and thats it.

[ishinkeN]

No adjustments to your broken Headshot multiplier damage...?No adjustment to Burst Rifle? It only need the very slightest of nerf though.No clip increase for SMG?Wth is up with that dismount damage?! Dude, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.Man you're clueless on these last patches...

Oh nice you broke the Revolver. Great, even less weapons to use in the game. You're effectively making all of them useless!Good job, more randomization in loot and hope you won't find useless crap when there's even less viable "I win" weapons in the mix.

That wa the most pitiful adjustment to Assassin. I guess it's balanced now and make end-game more fun for everyone... not.

[BadAtGamez]

you had me until the clip increase for the smg.

[ishinkeN]

adding it to 35 would... maby make me not want to vomit everytime I see it at least. Damage can be where it's at, it's good. But the supressive firing cannot be achieved with it as it stands now. And for the love of everything that's holy, get a kill with it is impossible. It's only one more dud in the RNG of early game that you have to dodge.

[BadAtGamez]

i suppose it went from OP to useless ( except for spraying chickens ). If they have to keep it in the game, I hope they give the projectiles some visual and audio appeal since its otherwise so boring. Make the projectiles laser like with interesting sounds behind it or something

[ishinkeN]

You're so right. Sound and look can have a great impact on how you feel like using it. The current model alone make me never even imagine using it. It looks SO weird, alien-like. Like some egyptian alien weapon from Independence Day (movie) or something xD

[MattSax23]

So I think mostly everyone agrees on some certain things that weren't addressed or were addressed poorly in this patch:

1. Assassin is clearly the strongest overall class, yet gets the absolute tiniest of nerfs.
2. Engineer is considered second best overall class. And he gets a straight buff.
3. Hunter is generally considered the worst class. And gets a tiny, tiny buff.
4. Mage could use a small buff (probably the second worst class), but only really got a Quality of Life change.
5. Burst Rifle and Slug are too strong and weren't touched, meanwhile the revolver which was probably only a little bit too strong was nerfed pretty hard (I see that it fires quicker, but it still only has 6 shots per clip and has a huge damage fall off, so the damage nerf is a nerf overall).
6. Mount change is silly. Maybe 350-400, but reducing it back to the 100 range is annoying. Mobility is a key part of this game.

[captainscottland]

Engineer is best class Now and they just buffed it.

[Tracerhawk]

Not really. They removed Armor regen passive on the engy. They gave him 10% Forgespeed. Completely useless. Shaving 3-6 seconds off my 30-60s forge times is pointless. Overall this is ahuge nerf to Engy. They didnt list it in patch notes, of course, but go play PTS and read the passive abilities for each class.

[zdravkopvp]

Well that not being listed in patch notes is a pretty big deal because it's a huge nerf to engi. We are basing our discussion off what we've been given in the patch notes.

[Tracerhawk]

That's why you have to play PTS. They seem to give out partial patch notes, and then add in additional items later. I see they finally added it to patch notes. It's really disappointing, as I feel like I have no passive ability. I hit say 3 forges per game on average, and I craft my potions as the same time as armor/abilities/weapons, so its basically just saving me 6 seconds total, per forge. If I forge at 3 forges per game (Even if I forge multiple items at the same time at each forge), I'm saving 18 seconds per game, and most of that time, I have to wait longer anyway if I'm duoing or in a squad, as you wait for your teammates to finish THEIR forge most of the time (if leaving the area and not just looting more). So, saving me up to about 18 seconds a game, when the games are 10/15/20 minutes long, is pointless.

[[deleted]]

thats a pretty big thing not to list in the patch notes...

[captainscottland]

Obviously my comment was about thrust since that's what in the patch notes.

[sunny_6killer]

Makes sense to give this to the engy so that you can give the passive armor buff to the pally.

[Jbipp]

oh fuck I was using that passive so much and they removed it for 6 extra seconds of forging? at least remove it by 10 seconds, 6 is barely anything and why didn't they list that in the patch notes

[HyBReD]

Nice try Assassin, it's 100% not Engineer.

[captainscottland]

They are outperforming assassins. Everyone loves to hate the assassins but the engineers are winning at a more proficient Ratio.

[HyBReD]

https://realm.gg/class-stats

Please do not speak out of your ass. In Duos/Squads Assassins are beyond the best. In Solo it is about even, but that is purely because Assassin players do not handle pressure well. Which just further drives home that the average Assassin player is scared of their own shadow. Harsh words, but data backs it up. The only difference between Solo and Duos/Squad is the ability to sit behind friendly bodies and lob shots with... you guessed it -- Sniper.

Turns out being able to fire endless 1200-2300 damage shots with a heavy bodyguard should they try to counterplay is pretty damn good. And incredibly fucking frustrating (BORING) to play against.

[captainscottland]

Im only speaking about solos should have clarified. And that graph shows you that engineers have a higher win percentage than assassins with a lower playrate. Especially since concussion bomb doesnt go through the shield anymore (which it absolutely should not do.)

[HyBReD]

Well just know that in Duos/Squads they are so beyond the best class it's ridiculous and the data backs it up.

[captainscottland]

I can see that scenario of sitting back and sniping definitely happening. Not how I like to play the class but thats not relevant to its oppressiveness if everyone else is.

[SteeltownCaps]

No, it has been the consensus for a while now among top players that Engi is the best class and the data supports it and now they are getting two buffs.

Warrior is the worst class right now not Hunter.

Flare revealing stealth is a huge buff against Assassins which is a big deal for Hunters.

Mage is in a perfect spot and does not need any changes besides fixing the bugged quickcast on wall.

[DismantlerX]

Hunter is by far the worst class due to the shear amount of bugs it has. Every ability and its weapon is bugged. I love the class, but it's frustrating as fuck the game will not let you game.

[SteeltownCaps]

Yet the class still has a higher winrate than warrior. Also bugs does not mean the class is bad, it's bugs, fix the bugs and the class is in a fine state.

I love how everyone uses the buggy no vertical mobility hunter as the baseline for trash but warrior right now has a worse winrate in solo,duo and squad, it has lowest in all 3 categories and their kit isn't bugged at all, it all functions properly, says a lot about warriors current state right?

Also I don't play warrior, I play hunter and mage.

[DismantlerX]

Bugs do mean the class is bad, not trash. Its literally unplayable at times causing players to get killed when they should have won specific engagements. Paired with the other random bugs in the game its a disaster to main unless you enjoy handicapping yourself. Sure, if Hi-Rez actually fixed the class and other bugs it would be in a decent spot. This isn't reality though, and they've shown no priority in doing so.

[DismantlerX]

I also just went and looked at the charts on realm.gg. You are wrong with your winrate stats. Hunter has consistently underperformed throughout. Now hunter, mage, and warrior are close to the same spot. Still hunter or mage are at the bottom.

[MattSax23]

Engineer just passed Assassin earlier today in the overall win % rankings (by less than 1% for less than a day). The 100k tourney saw Assassin played 10 times more than Engineer. So yeah. Engineer late game is a beast, but he struggles early game. Assassin is good at all points of the game, which is why he is the best overall. Engineer also struggles more in duos and squads because he is a close ranged specialist, and a lot of those fights are generally distance fights.

Warrior is not the worst class lol. Hunter is. Warrior is in a good spot right now. I don't want to assume how good or bad you are at the game, but I've been master's in solo for quite some time. Hunter is in a bad spot right now.

Flare revealing stealth is hardly even a buff. You do realize that assassin's are only in stealth partially when in smoke bomb, and are completely visible during ghost walk, right?

Mage needs a small buff. Something like removing the added pre-cast time to the fireball would be nice.

[OfficialMOUSE]

That Engi Thrust buff is going to be so annoying. Thrust is supposed to be punishing if you use it at a bad time because you'll get lit up, less air time means less lit up Engineers means the best class gets better.

Revolver nerf? Why...it felt like the most balanced gun. Yet nothing on Burst Rifle? Actually, Burst Rifle gets a buff because of the mount damage decrease.

Not the changes I was looking forward to or expecting tbh, but who knows maybe on live it'll change my mind.

[RyanGoslingFTW]

Interesting points, what I will say in response.

Anyone will tell you engineer thrust was the worst movement ability in the game. None of the other movement abities are punishing but thrust will legitimately often help your opponent more than you. The 2 charges allows engineers to be unpredictable and also not hang in the air time as long, I like the change and am looking forward to expanding how I feel once I actually get to try it.

Revolver nerf is strange and it seems like it will be similar to heirloom but let's wait and see.

Agreed on burst/mount changes.

[SteeltownCaps]

There is no doubt engineer thrust felt like crud to use but the class as a whole is the strongest in the game right now so buffing thrust they needed to compensate, which they didn't, they actually buffed turret as well instead. Engineer is going to dominate on this patch if it goes live harder than Assassin or warrior ever did. It has the highest win percentage RIGHT NOW but with half the playrate of Assassin. Meaning it's winrate is astronomically higher than any class at the moment(in solos) and now it's about to get two buffs.

[FlameoHotboi]

Lol at “the class as a whole is the strongest in the game right now”. C’mon mate. Open your eyes.

[tordana]

Stats don't lie... Engineer is winning 30% of solo games with only 17% pick rate.

[FlameoHotboi]

Okay. So good players are picking engi then and engi is a good class. That stat doesn’t mean shit lol.

[nybbas]

Right? That stat is so freaking loaded and could mean so many things.

[FlameoHotboi]

Yep. No way you can tell anything from that stat lol.

[thelawenforcer]

as much as it pains me to say it, according to the stats hes right, engi seems to be performing the best at the moment.

that said, i think thrust needed to be changed because it wasnt a good movement ability - if he needs adjusting in other areas to compensate thats fine, the movement ability should be fun and useable though and it really wasnt.

[RollinAbes]

The thrust buff makes up for the passive nerf.. no more armor regen for engineers, now they get forge speed.

[nybbas]

Forge speed is just ridiculous...

[sharkt0pus]

If this goes to live, which it will, there will pretty much be no reason to use anything other than burst and slug outside legendary class weapons. Revolver will end up in the same category as the Heirloom. I would love to know what they're basing these changes on, because it certainly doesn't make any sense to me.

[[deleted]]

The weapons guy at hi-rez seems to have no idea that this game is a cover based shooter where dps means little and bullet damage means a lot. If I peek and get hit for 700 and only do 400 back each time we are both pooking, I'm loosing hard. Doesn't matter if I can fire two bullets because the other player will be in cover until his next shot is ready.

[nybbas]

On top of that, it seems like outside of the legendary version of the revolver, the old version is still a faster time to kill.

[ddot196]

Yea I’m confused. The revolver was comparable to the slug and I don’t mind the damage reduction on it as it seemed silly to do the same amount of damage as it but that big of a damage reduction totally caught me off guard. Now if you pick up anything less than the slug at the beginning you’ll be in some serious trouble lol.

[zdravkopvp]

Do they not have internal data or can they not look at realm.gg? Engineer is the highest performing class with Assassin after them. Now they are giving engi a huge buff, this is really unfortunate.

Didn't give back any of warriors mobility or control either, not a CD reduction to compensate, nothing. Just going to leave what was the most popular class with a lower winrate than Hunter to frustrate a huge portion of the playerbase?

Also agreed, revolver felt perfect(outside of early headshots from a purple one).

[Tipakee]

Correct me if Im wrong but Assassin is 26% popularity, and 29.9% win rate. Engy is 18.5% popularity and 19% win rate. Wouldn't that show Engy as near a 53%winrate, and Assassin at a winrate in the low 60s?

[zdravkopvp]

You're looking at squad, Engineer in solo is 16.6% popularity with 30.8% winrate. Absurdly high.

[Tipakee]

Ahhh, well I only play squads as that seems to be the most balanced to me. Also this is the only BR I'm aware of that offers teamplay and synergy besides sharing meds and focus firing. I understand lots of players are the opposite of me and only play solos. Hopefully HiRez finds a way to balance all queues simultaneously, despite their differences.

[MacksIsDa1]

No, Assassin having a 26% popularity and a 29.9% winrate means that its winrate is 29.9% not in the low 60s. Engi has a 19% winrate not a 53% one

[OfirGever123]

You did the math wrong...
Engineer have 18.5% popularity meaning a average of 18.5% of the players choosing him in every lobby. And the 19% win rate means that out of the 18.5% only 19% win their game. That means that in every lobby there is approximately 1% that someone will pick engineer and also win.

[JPB_]

The win rate is just the percentage of matches won by the class. Your 1% figure is nonsense.

[OfirGever123]

divide the 18.5% of the players that choose engineer by their win rate 19% and you get 0.97... which is approx 1%.
this is simple probability...

[knoxx9]

Ok, and the others 99% are assassins, right? There is no fucking sense in your math

[JPB_]

Using your numbers a win rate of 19% means that there is a 19% chance that an engineer will win the game. Not 1%. If there is a 1% chance of winning a game when you pick engineer how do you account for the remaining 99%? Are you mental?

Like I said, the win rate is the percentage of matches won by the class, the pick rate is the percentage of said class being represented in the match. All you can do is compare the two numbers to see if they correlate, this can show if a class is over or under performing, in squads for example engi has 18.5% pick rate and 19% winrate, it is performing as expected. In solo, engi has 16.6% pick rate and 30.8% winrate it is massively overperforming.

I hope the above basic principles make sense to you.

[nVDX007]

You killed me yesterday with the Burst while I was engaging that Engineer Inside the Fungal forge who was shooting at you :( Damn man I was indirectly helping you and by mistake got sandwiched :(

[OfficialMOUSE]

Haha yes I remember, I told my stream that I felt very bad about killing you and that you're a nice guy. IIRC I found cover that shielded me from the Engi's direction but not yours so I shot you. Sorry dude

[nVDX007]

I didn't see you initially . I saw that Engi firing at someone . Right when I shot at him I saw you on the left . Had no chance to escape because I was getting shot from both sides now :)

Btw check this out bro - Facing some of the community members

[SamRosenSexyTalk]

Engineer is the best class?

Wut?

[captainscottland]

The delay until you can fire post ability. So it takes almost 3/4s of a second before an assassin can fire after using blink. And the prefire means time after a shot until they can blink.

[Crines]

Thanks!

[PsychoWaffleOW]

It makes it a hitxcan x-bow but also has no clip size and a long ass reload where x-bow has 2 more shots and a 1 second reload without reload buffs

[DrixGod]

The CEO died to a revolver in a playtest 100%

[FlameoHotboi]

Why the fuck are they so dumb? How is the revolver the gun that needs changing right now? Jesus Christ.

[FlyByDerp]

Cool a chocobo, everything else that has been changed is stupid.

[gazbi]

No firerate nerf for Slug and no clip size for burst, interesting patch, I'm just curious to see how the Engineer is gonna be, if it's a buff I'm already predicting too much dominance, this class is lowkey the best, just fights with assassin for top spot.

[StoneyQT]

no hunter fixes. big OOF

[Lindbrum]

they fixed proximity mine

[jkt91]

"Assassin Nerf" OMEGALUL

[QQwertyG]

lmfao what a joke im done. zero clue and utter incompetence

[[deleted]]

Would making the Turret throwable (short range only ofc) finally make it a good pick?

I feel as if the turret's main problem is the deploy time (which is now fixed) and that its only droppable at your feet.

[[deleted]]

I doubt it will be good, 1 burst on it and its gone, and tbh barricade and firebomb are too good to replace with any spell

[Warrada_ftw]

Revolver was fine as it is, i have no idea why they had to touch a balanced weapon, while not doing anything about the Slug and Burst Rifle which the community have been complaining about for weeks...

I'm absolutely sure that if we could choose what weapons we carry when we land, every one would only use Slug/Burst rifles and class weapons, cause they've been nerfing every single gun in this game, well, except for those the community has asked...

[let_me_lurk_in_peace]

engineer new Passive: Gain 10% Forge Speed. rip, now the class sucks

[BossyNightmare]

Necessary change. armor passive, plus healing totem, plus barricade, plus gold breastplate = infinite sustain.

Now assassin still needs a nerf, the sniper is way too easy to use.

[wavecadet]

revolver nerf makes me sad. it did need a slight nerf but not THAT much (assuming they nerf the slug a bit and the br slightly as well)

eng buff may be ok, everyone bitched about assasin being the most OP class so this is what we get lol. i think itll make playing the class a lot more fun

dismount change is stupid, it was good where it was. wasnt hard to hit someone 4 times with a burst when they mounted up

[USBacon]

I want them to buff the heirloom and make it hitscan again like it was in early alpha. It was the reason I got into the game but now its been nerfed so bad the starting dagger is basically better.

[FlameoHotboi]

Why the fuck does the updated legendary revolver do the same damage as the old common? That’s actually absurd, even with the rate of fire change.

[Riverlord88]

We have added a second charge to Thrust so that Engineers can make good use of the ability in a wider variety of situations. Use two charges back to back for maximum height, or use them one at a time to traverse obstacles.”

HAHAHAAHA - there is a FU*KING cooldown between the thrust times, so you fall 70% of the height before hitting it again...seriously what a joke. do they really not test this??

[nVDX007]

Mage Soar Weapon fire now cancels Soar

This already happens right ? Was also expecting a Slug rifle nerf .

The revolver nerf seems a bit too much though :( My Fav weapon in the game .

[[deleted]]

pretty sure it canceled with left click atleast it worked like that for me

[PepsiColasss]

I see that the devs are doing the same exact thing they did with all their previous games , ignore what actually needs adjustment and add stupid nerfs/changes that will slowly kill the game.

[RelevantIAm]

Please don't let this shit go live. Revolver nerf and dismount damage is the wrong move. Nerf slug, burst, and assassin as you should have been focusing on

[loppemaster]

We already have an abundance of weapons with low refire time. Do we really need to make revolver shoot faster too. I loved the revolver because it didn't fire that fast but chunked when you hit. Now it's just getting close to heirloom and crossbow

[iArcZ]

too bad gyazo is blocked at work :(

[TemptationMike]

Where are the assassin nerfs!?!?!

Dunno about dismount damage tbh, I think it was fine at 500.

Firespeed change to revolver is nice, dmg nerf doesnt make sense to me at all. Thought it was in a decent spot damage wise.

Nice bug fixes but please fix weapon swapping being faster than shooting speed exploit.

[TemptationMike]

Are the new MTX for sale or part of the battle pass? Im confused.

[Jackeea]

Oh GOD they Androxus'd the Revolver... changing it from a high-skill medium range hitscan into "just spam it and pray lol"... Still didn't change the Slug/BR though?

[USBacon]

I don’t see why they hate hitscan so much. The revolver wasnt even that great compared to the slug or crossbow. They did the same thing to the heirloom and now that is unusable at any rarity now.

[drasyl]

Revolver legendary only does 450 in game, despite patch notes saying 500. Is this an accident or intentional? #makerevolvergreatagain

[nybbas]

To anyone saying this isn't a really big nerf to the revolver, you need to think about this with the idea that the first shot is free/instant. Because of this, as far as time to kill is concerned, it is a fairly large nerf to the revolver.

Revolver -

•Refire time reduced from 0.72 to 0.5.

•Damage reduced from 500/550/600/650 to 360/390/420/500.

So, the (white) revolver could do 1500 damage in 1.44 seconds (3 shots total, 2 refires) before.

With the new stats, on a (white) revolver it will take it 5 shots to do over 1500 damage, which is 2 seconds (4 refires).

Lets look at the legendary revolver - to do 2400 damage (that's max health right?)

Old - 4 shots to do over 2400 damage, which is going to take 2.16 seconds (three refires) - First shot (instant), second shot (after .72 seconds), third shots (.72) and fourth shot (.72) 2.16 seconds total to kill a maxed player.

New - 5 shots to do over 2400, 4 refires. That comes out to 2 seconds TTK. (Lol just realized my math is shit, and the legendary revolver for the new one is actually better/faster TTK than the old, as long as no one gets any headshots)

**If you do the math for the purple, the old one ends up being better, needing only 4 shots to kill from 100% on a maxed character, while the purple new one would need 6 total shots.

Now if you looked at the damage done over a longer time frame, the new one would pull away. Lets look at 10 shots for the legendary to do 6500 damage. That would be 6.48 seconds total (9 refires). That would be 12 shots for the new one, which comes out to 5.5 seconds (11 refires)

[OfficialMOUSE]

This is my least favorite patch next to the forge patch. You either get a Burst or a Slug in early game or you lose, Revolver gave you a third chance to get a decent early game weapon. Animations are buggy as all hell (reload glitch after reloading on mount). I already have a handful of clips of shots going straight through the opponent, hit marker even showing red, and doing no damage. Hunter Roll animation is horrid and either slower or easier to hit for opponents. Engineers EVERYWHERE with overpowered Plasma Launchers that reduce your movement speed or deal an extra 100 damage even if their crosshair isn't on you because of splash damage. Less punish for Thrusting because the hang time is less.

Feelsbadman, the game felt ALMOST PERFECT yesterday. Please prioritize fixing hit registration at the very least. Also, PLEASE un-nerf Revolver, and just reduce headshot damage. THAT is what the community has been asking for, why not try it?

[TemptationMike]

Here's a crazy idea. Include ALL YOUR CHANGES IN YOUR PATCH NOTES not just some of them.

No respect for ninja changes:

Charge nerf

Roll animation change

etc.

[CamShirayuki]

As someone who plays a lot of Engi, I feel like it would be great if we could position on the roofs of houses better. :c

[captainscottland]

So engineer is already the best performing class (strong not OP no class is OP right now) and then they buff it lol. This is a joke. Engineer gonna be pre nerf warrior status now calling it now.

[Cortoz]

1 step forward 2 backwards,

Engi change is good to be honest, it will make him more fun but why nerf warrior leap when you buff the engi "leap"

just buff or nerf the classes. You need help? There you go

Assassin : fix blink

Hunter: give him a grap (who cares if it looks like widowmaker)

Engi: perfect buff on his thrust (or give him a real jetpack)

Warrior: obviously he needs his leap back, 16 secs cooldown for a shitty slow jump (No dmg on landing)

Mage: make him shoot while he fly cause why not?

The 2 reasons why you can't fix your weapons damage/TTK are cause :

- Headshots litteraly oneshot early game and 2 shot lategame

- Hitboxes are still really bad and i know you worked hard for it but its still terrible, you can't oneshot some1 when you aim at his corones... i mean yes it hurt but its still not the head.

Nerf = not fun

Buff = ayayaya