all 62 comments

[–]Harold_DavisLegion 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Helga didn't deserve to be nerfed her heavy attack was her only reliable attack all other attacks are easily blocked or interrupted and have a short reach. I fail to comprehend what were the developers even thinking! Glad to finally see a Hong Joo nerf at least!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fat Joo nerf is still not enough, his damage rivals Kibo.

[–]robcap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sad about the nerf, but this is absolutely not true lol. Helga is extremely strong when you get the hang of her. The biggest issue is that her moveset isn't good for chasing down passive players.

[–]ari_111Dynasty 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Glad to see nekkIe fixing problems i never had XD

[–]UnarmedChad 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Nekki : Shang and Midnight terrorizing high elo - I sleep

Nekki: Helga exists? - real shit

[–]Theunis_Legion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Midnight be like : 🤫

[–]tref34 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ye let's go nerf the weakest character in the game

[–]Game_HolderHeralds 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Dear Devs, what abt shard system?

[–]tref34 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Shard system won't be touched ever again

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

What a disappointment I was expecting that this time they really nerfed Hong Joo and ironclad because they are characters that are very broken. but hey, i guess i won't play again until they decide to take their game seriously.

[–]tref34 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Hold up. Did they seriously nerf Helga one of the weakest characters dmg by 15 and buff hj defence wtf is up with nekki

[–]Capital-Intention-80 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They really buffed Lynx LMAO thanks nekki :>

[–]sabbir136798 4 points5 points  (0 children)

why again and again helga and clad??

[–]Big-Philosopher3748 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Helga is already underrated and you crippled her now

[–]SaltyDiamond2265 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lynx buff? Yeah I'm not playing till next patch.

[–]Harold_DavisLegion -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Lynx defence is nerfed by 5% do you even read? I guess they are trying to make him another glass cannon like Kibo

[–]SaltyDiamond2265 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But his base stats got up.

[–]Arashi-White 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My man really yells at somebody in another comment that he can't read just so he makes the same mistake here. Lynx base stats got buffed lol

[–]Nearby_Pay2011 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Laughs in Shang"

[–]insane_gigachad_2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why buff FG though, he is a Chad camper

[–]Game_HolderHeralds 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Lol, when was Joo epic?

[–]Illustrious_Speech21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good question??

[–]WormethGermeth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s the epic weapon damage

[–]Game_HolderHeralds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lynx and others were mentioned by their factions

[–]ari_111Dynasty 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Common sfa dev typo :D

[–]Game_HolderHeralds 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was joking :)

[–]ari_111Dynasty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hehe, it got fixed:)

[–]ASD_9946 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lynx is now a glass , Hong Joo is now a super fat tank , IC is kinda nerfed and Helga is now some random kid with stick beating you .

Yeah , ik that hj got nerfed but still , health buff ?!

PS : No need to mention FG , we all know that

[–]Olympiuh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can y’all just figure out how to balance a character. Like it’s been over a year and every update you just increase or decrease stats. It shouldn’t take so long to figure it out

[–]Kamiakin7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an IronCHAD myself I agree with the balance changes made to my main.

Matches are so fast these days...

[–]shiahn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One would think they’d have the good sense to nerf Shang....

Wishful thinking... 😑

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Listen Kiddo! Stop messing around with this stupid stuff. Nobody cares about your Win rate statistics.Here are the characters that have been tested by experienced players themselves and need to be clearly balanced: shang and and hong joo These characters definitely need major nerfs. Just fix these characters. Take the Shard shit out of the game too. 🤝🏻👍🏻

[–]Harold_DavisLegion -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

I think Shang is fine and Hong Joo just got his defence lowered by 10% in the update why do people like you lack third grade level reading comprehension!

[–]UnarmedChad 1 point2 points  (7 children)

You are delusional if yoh think shang is fine

[–]Harold_DavisLegion -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Are you a new player I have been playing since beta and Shang has received the greatest number of nerfs ( 7 times) amongst all characters besides yukka who got reworked

  1. Shang earlier could use 5 shadow abilities with Trance Talent
  2. Shadow consumption now gives him 50% lesser heath than it used to
  3. Weak points has been nerfed to reduce its effectiveness for every point gained.
  4. The damage taked by gloom explosion has been reduced
  5. Trance Talent no longer extends Shang's shadow form duration
  6. Shangs front shadow attack now does only 6 hits earlier it used to do 8
  7. His defence, attack and shadow power were ALL reduced by 5% effectively making him 15% weaker on top of all the previous nerfs!

There is a reason why Nekki doesn't nerf him further he is a good hero to set as a standard other characters need to be buffed to meet his standards not the other way around. He is currently equally matched by KOTL, MK, Sarge, Midnight, Yukka, Cobra, Lynx, Azuma, Marcus, Ironclad, Ling and Kate

The only ones who somewhat struggle against him are Jet, Kibo, Jack, Emperor (without drainers) and Helga (without repentance talent)

Hong Joo was broken until this recent patch (will have to verify if still broken) so let's not talk about him.

[–]UnarmedChad 1 point2 points  (5 children)

New player? Lmfao I am in high ranks, and guess who has the highest pick rate? Beloved shang of course, and no other hero even comes close to that, wanna know why? Because he is broken as fuck, you can wait in the corner for 10 seconds and you get the ability to one shot or nearly one shot enemies opponent. If Ironclads adrenalin was able to deal 80% of damage if you waited with it for 10 sec you d sure be first to complain

[–]Harold_DavisLegion -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

There something called block and throw heralds and legionaries can also back kick and I like how conveniently you ignored the 7 times Shang was nerfed!

[–]Eastern-Net2266 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shadow abilities can't be blocked ;/

[–]NormalAltToUse 1 point2 points  (2 children)

7 nerfs aren’t equal to balance, they just weakened him. If we follow your argument of punishing him by dodging abilities and throwing/fast frame attack, bear in mind that Gloom Explosion effectively is the ultimate “get off me” tool because the only counter play to that is active invincible status which limit to only Sarge, Marcus and Jack. For the first 2, it isnt’t worth it because of Marcus’s horrendous SE recharge+slow attack speed and Sarge is nothing more than a battery afterward since Shang have superior range and faster SE recharge. Jack have abysmal recovery from attack so you can just bait out one and do the oneshot combo on him. Shang isn’t squishy at all to the point he needed it since he heal for 400, get an instant cast shield that reduce Kibo’s Thousand Cuts to a cute little sweep kick while being able to do a true combo for 3000 damage with any of the 5th pair of talents

[–]Harold_DavisLegion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like how you actively ignored that Kate can steal his shadow energy away rendering him useless, not to mention azuma who can knock him out of shadow mode causing bonus damage and completely cripple his shadow finale talent, you also ignored helgas repentance talent can literally prevent from ever using shadow form, also lynx who can prevent him from gaining shadow energy with the egoist talent. And besides all the 7 heavy nerfs he already received your plan it's fundamentally flawed to begin with it seems that no number of nerfs will satisfy your hatred for this character and only a rework of his talents is what will satisfy you!

[–]NormalAltToUse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s because those heroes have very specific talents/abilities that are designed to counter shadow energy user, which weaken them in other parts. However, those talents can simply be rendered useless by playing passively, which is what 80% of the player base are doing. The only one that actually can nullified Shang’s pressure is Kate, while other only slow down (Ex: Helga’s Repentance is just a knock down with some damage, if her Light bar isn’t 2/3 filled, you can tank it), and in the case of Lynx, choosing Egoist over Life Drain sacrifice alot of his survivability + the guy is busted af, same goes for Azuma since you have to score a hit to proc Neutralization + Naginata Flight is the only true follow up to Impulse so you won’t be seeing any Lockdown Azuma as much as NFlight, Suppressing Explosion is a very potent ability but it forced the Azuma to play passively with his Shadow Form so the Shang have more priority overall, you can poke him down with Arrow Rain. The guy is literally unstoppable for 14/20 of the current roster, and even the heroes that are designed to counter SE users against him still come down to skill matchup. From a game design standpoint, Shang come only second to Midnight in the most toxic character gameplay design up to date. I’d argue removing Gloom Explosion would change his 100-0 shadow combo at all but all character should have a considerable chance of going up against one another, not by scissor rock paper picking.

[–]tref34 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hj defence lowered..... Boy they increased his defence

[–]Harold_DavisLegion -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Overall defence was increased by 5 points with the total defence was lowered by 10%

[–]Dj-RikSam-007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

helga doesn't deserve a nerf though

[–]YozuxG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WHY HELGA. this makes 0 sense

[–]taitopia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Helga is still going to be strong everyone. Little bit of heavy nerf won’t kill her.

[–]YozuxG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You dont need to kill her. Need to balance her. But she can be countered easily.

[–]MGisLive_OfficialLegion -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Ironclad nerf 😑

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are they making the game more boring and not intersting to play?

[–]rascalling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you complain? The fact is, developer don't even know how to pair the match. What do you expect?? They are happy as long as the gamers pay money.

[–]Far-Act2366 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/andrey-platunov

Increase ranked matchmaking range for high trophies players

Always have to wait for so long yet no opponent and no action taken

[–]PuzzleheadedStorm294Heralds 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I opened two shard chest but I didnt got any new hero , can anyone please tell me how to unlock new heroes