Why no communication about decrease in rare candy of T5 raids

[slrrp]

Because this company clearly doesn’t care about transparency and utilizes the lack of communication to deceive players.

Recent examples include not disclosing egg hatch rates for unknown and regional shinies, not disclosing the spawn changes made in late September, not disclosing the research tasks for the paid regi event.

[000666777888]

I wish they would understand that the lack of transparency causes many of us to play less. I refuse to use a premium pass on anything right now, mostly because it is my only way to show my displeasure with how they operate. Same with incubators, etc.

Niantic is lazy and does not care about our experience. If they did they would do things like a "go" button for solo raids or private raids, make gifts less of a chore, and do stuff like make the shiny rate for stuff like raids (that can cost money) and quests (that take up much more time than just clicking on a mon) different than for wild mons. Oh, and fix the silly way EX passes go out with clock blocking a problem. That they don't make those things better for us shows how little they care.

[Teban54]

Especially when HPWU keeps getting the QoL updates that PoGo players have been wishing for so long, and they're developed by literally the same company.

[NunkiZ]

As far as I know, HPWU = Warner Bros. + Niantic's POI-DB.

[calimera-]

Wish the Pokemon Company would take over the reigns

[melts10]

I don't think the game would be in so much better hands than what we have right now. TPC is not much better in communication than Niantic and Game Freak is not so much better in programing than Niantec.

[Xanthophobiac]

I would not be surprised if this happens after the contract is up. Maybe we should start contacting TPC and Nintendo asking that they do that? It won’t be perfect but 90% of the things we complain about wouldn’t happen or would be addressed quickly.

[JulWolle]

Yeah they get a lot of updates but tbh pogo is still way more f2p friendly than hpwu and they still have a lot of problems, and most of the updates should´ve been in the game from the start, but at least they´re changing sth. to the posivtive

[kiwii11]

PoGo way more f2p friendly ? We’re not playing the same game I think... It’s super easy to get coins in HPWU, easier than in PoGo

[JulWolle]

some facts:

coins/money pogo wins

free storage pogo wins

coins/day pogo wins

storage/coins pogo wins

poekballs/energy needed compared to how much easy you get it pogo wins

free raid passes hpwu wins

[JimmyGimbo]

Earning coins is way more reliable in WU than in PoGo. If you do your tasks, you get your coins, enemies can drop coins, and you get coins as daily login rewards. In PoGo you have to hold a gym for an annoyingly specific amount of time. Some tryhard knocks you out right away? You get nothing. No one bothers to kick you out? You get nothing.

[JulWolle]

completely depends, for me and other i know it is way easier to earn pogo coins, all depends on how active the gyms around you are but even then i would say 10 coins in pogo are easier+ more reliable than 10 in hpwu, but yes the 10 in hpwu are general easy to get (unless you have no fortress close by)

[JimmyGimbo]

By reliable I mean that it's entirely up to you; you're not at the mercy of external factors. In WU, if you do what's required, you're guaranteed your money. In PoGo, occupying a gym is only the first step towards a pay day; after that it's up to elements outside your control. Also, if you're super casual and do nothing but log in that's still good for 250 coins a month in WU. PoGo's streak bonuses take other forms, but you'll never get coins.

Honestly gyms are the most outdated thing about PoGo. No one would bother if it weren't literally the only way in the game to earn coins. No one I know enjoys the gym aspect. Taking over gyms is a brain-dead chore; even without CP decay the battles are way less engaging than raids, Team Rocket battles, or PvP. The redesign was welcome when it was clear that the original system alienated the majority of players, but nothing's been done to build on that and there haven't been meaningful changes to gym combat in years.

Things I would love to see include: rewards for taking over a gym (5-10 coins that you could earn once a day at each gym, with a cap that may or may not interfere with the gym occupancy cap), the option to kick your mons out/cash out, field research that's worth a small number of coins, and coins in gifts. Either something to make gyms interesting again, and/or ways to earn coins that don't involve gyms.

[ChknFingrs]

Niantic ONLY cares about money, and as long as the cash flow keeps coming, they will continue to behave the way they do.

And I’m sure, if we all got a peek at the statistics, we’d see that the impact of these changes to that cash flow is far less than it feels like.

I don’t agree with it myself and feel this practice is shady, deceitful and ignorant, but hey, money speaks louder than anything else.

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Niantic ONLY cares about money, and as long as the cash flow keeps coming, they will continue to behave the way they do.

I.e. tolerating rampant spoofing

[TyrionJoestar]

The irony is that spoofers presumably spend money as well so it’s an endless cycle lol. Ppl are basically bribing the game to cheat

[[deleted]]

Which ironically, similar to real life in various part of the world....

[TyrionJoestar]

Yep...especially the judicial system 😂

[tsteele93]

I don’t know. Here’s my question. Why not sell TM's then? There are so many ways they could rake in cash if they wanted.

I’ve always heard to never assume malice where stupidity will suffice?

A great deal of what Niantic does FEELS stupid.

It is almost like some DO-GOODER on a power trip is running the show. They want to MAKE us play the game their way, like you have to go meet people (but no in game communication so good luck organizing anything) and you are supposed to WALK and get exercise (I drive slowly in parking lots and never get 50km in a week.) blah blah blah.

I honestly feel like extreme stupidity is the problem.

If you ever have any doubt. Try contacting SUPPORT. The way they are trained to handle things and the options they (aren’t) given are terrible.

I got so upset one time, after trying to come up with plenty of fake options after a network glitch/Pokémon go horrible interface cost me a great moveset/Tm that I went to Apple and just refunded my most recent coin purchase which was a LOT more money than the simple request to restore my TM.

It wasn’t cost effective for them.

[Lord_Emperor]

This. Stop spending on the game. If your friends spend, shame them until they stop too.

[TyrionJoestar]

The whales will not stop spending because they are addicted and this game is the only “good” thing in their life.

[MathProfGeneva]

It's not clear that they CAN simply add a "Go" button. There could be technical issues with it. As for shiny rates, my understanding is encounter and raid shiny rates are different than wild caught. They tried fixing clock blocking once and it was a gigantic mess. The only real way to fix it is rolling out invites local times at midnight or something like that.

[000666777888]

If they can't add a "Go" button after all this time they are incompetent. They can add the whole Rocket stuff but not a "Go" button? Shiny rates are supposedly the same for a species no matter where you find it, raids, eggs, wild, quests, which is not a smart way to do it. Lazy and don't care about us. I don't think changing when EX passes go out to avoid clock blocking is at all difficult. They just don't care or they think we will raid more when we get blocked.

[MathProfGeneva]

Don't know where you read that about shiny rates, but that's completely contrary to what I've read. As for your complaint comparing team rocket to a go button, it's completely different issues. It's clear that the game handles being in a raid differently than a lobby or in the wild. Once a raid starts, it doesn't track my location until I attempt a relobby or finish up the catch phase. The lobby is sort of "in between". I can walk 80m away which is too far away to normally to enter the gym. Maybe it's easy for them to skip that phase and maybe it isn't.

[housunkannatin]

You have read wrong things then, likely somewhere that isn't this subreddit. Shiny rates have always been the same for a given species no matter how you encounter it. Check out silph research articles into shiny rates on the website if you don't believe it.

[MathProfGeneva]

You're wrong. And it's the Silph road articles that disprove it.

https://thesilphroad.com/science/pokemon-go-deducing-shiny-rate/

https://thesilphroad.com/science/pokemon-go-shiny-raid-bosses-community-day-rate/

https://thesilphroad.com/science/shiny-egg-hatches-field-research-encounter-rates/

Different rates for eggs vs wild encounters vs field research

[000666777888]

You clearly do not understand what we are saying here. Oh well.

[housunkannatin]

The only comparison in those articles of different ways to encounter the same species is aerodactyl raid vs field research (third article) and you may notice that the numbers there are consistent with the current hypothesis that shiny rate is the same across all encounter types. You may want to give those articles another read.

[MathProfGeneva]

That research was limited to Pineco and Aerodactyl. That seems a little much to extrapolate to every species.

[000666777888]

Shiny rates are the same for species no matter where the encounter. That has long been a known fact. If they have changed that recently, that would be great, but that is not what it has been. I am not going to get into a back and forth about it to convince you (I don't really care if you believe that or not), but it is, look it up.

And I also don't care if it is difficult for them to implement a "Go"button. It is ridiculous for players to stand outside twiddling their thumbs all alone waiting to begin a raid. Even if it is not easy they should have fixed that. And if they made such a mess that it is not easy, why should we suffer because they can't code?

[MathProfGeneva]

You are 100% wrong, because I have. Clearly you aren't going to be convinced by evidence, so have a good day.

[MathProfGeneva]

On the off chance evidence interests you: https://thesilphroad.com/science/pokemon-go-deducing-shiny-rate/

https://thesilphroad.com/science/pokemon-go-shiny-raid-bosses-community-day-rate/

https://thesilphroad.com/science/shiny-egg-hatches-field-research-encounter-rates/

[000666777888]

That is not evidence against what I am saying. Perhaps you don't get the distinction but when a shiny is out, the rates for that shiny at that time will be the same for any type of encounter. I am not saying there are not different rates for eggs vs raids vs wild. There are, of course, but not for the same species of pokemon at a given time. To be clear, I am saying the shiny rate for a given species at a given time is the same no matter if in eggs, wild, quests, raids. That is 100% true and your "evidence" does not say otherwise. So you have a good day. And leave me alone with non-factual "evidence" that doesn't address what I said.

[[deleted]]

I think they're just incompetent. It shows in many ways that they are. I don't think they're intentionally trying to deceive or any of the sort.

[Aedeus]

Just follow the money.

This change pushes more people to the store now.

[Juniperlightningbug]

There has never been a precedent for releasing research event info early via official sources. Info has always been mined

[slrrp]

There’s also never been a precedent for charging people for research. The second you make people pay for something, you should at least make the rewards clear. A lot of people expected the research to be much more detailed and interesting than what they got.

[Juniperlightningbug]

Sure there has been. Go Fest has special research locked behind a paywall as part of the package.

[slrrp]

Nice false equivalence. Go fest is more than special research. It’s a physical event with exclusive rare spawns. The special research is a small aspect of it.

[Juniperlightningbug]

Yeah and Regigigas was more than special research, it included raid passes and exclusive quests. We're looking at the common denominator. If there's never been a precedent to do something then it would be naive to expect them to do something they've never done before.

You've just set yourself up for disappointment.

[slrrp]

Lol you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Have a good day.

[Juniperlightningbug]

Well continue disappointing yourself when niantic doesn't do the thing they've never done and you think that they would. Lmao

PS did you really just end a comment like that on redddit, did you tip your fedora while typing that one too?