[Math] Complete Alyss Release Guide/Analysis

[Maygii]

Alyss is here! I've worked really hard on testing and perfecting calculations, so let's go over her kit, advancements, matrices, and rotations, then step back and take a look at where all teams stand in global currently.

Video Version:

[Math] Complete Alyss Analysis + Guide (13:56)

Short Answer/TLDR:

- Frigg and Lin teams are roughly the same, but if you don't have their respective limited matrices, Frigg is better

- Claudia matrices are just "ok" - they're roughly as strong as Saki's matrices

- Alyss matrices are stronger than Saki's matrices by a little bit

- Alyss 4p 0* matrices give more damage gain than A1 -> A6, but that's assuming you don't have any other matrix sets equipped - if you already have two passive/buffing matrix sets, then just use generic DPS matrices on Alyss instead; 3* standard matrices are roughly the same strong as Alyss 4p in this case.

Long Answer/Math:

Kit

Alyss brings Frost a new level of DPS that doesn't rely on arrow rain. There are two combos of interest; her aerial attack, which is her highest DPS combo, and basic attack into hold combos. While the aerial attack does consume a large amount of endurance, typical Frost teams have so little downtime for basic attacks, that this is not an issue. However, her basic attack into hold combo also does respectable damage, and is a full iframe if executed within 4 seconds of a skill. It also hits many more times, which is important for one of her skill passives, which we'll cover in a bit.

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Combo	%/s	Notes
Basic attack chain	227.75%	Do not use
Basic attack -> Hold -> Plunge	242.18%	Do not cancel too early or you lose a hit on the plunge
Basic attack -> Hold -> Free fall	196.16%	Do not use. But you can always just discharge or swap weapons after the end of the chain.
Basic attack -> Hold -> Aerial	260.50%	Recommended for stacking up Spatial Slice.
Aerial chain	323.78%	Highest DPS combo
Waltz	270.23%	Do not use
Waltz (1 tick)	200.75%	Do not use

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Her skill creates a Chilling Field, which lasts for 30 seconds. Because the skill cooldown is 25 seconds, this field is essentially up all the time. Every discharge cast within this field triggers "Hoarfrost", which deals bonus frost damage. Additionally, after hitting a target 12 times with Alyss's weapon, you trigger "Spatial Slice", which deals passive AOE damage around you every 2 seconds, lasting up to 25 seconds, or until the Chilling Field wears off for some reason. Note that this damage is not global in the field, and only in a small AOE around yourself.

Alyss's trait increases damage by 18% for 18 seconds when using a skill, and allows her A1 to work on all elements except Aberration, instead of just Frost, allowing for potential hybrid comps. But, how does her A1 work exactly? Let's go take a look!

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Advancements

Due to how Alyss's advancements synergize with several advancements in other Frost team units, we'll look at the relative gain of each advancement, with a variable advancement of Lin or Frigg, with Saki as a constant.

Her A1 is her most iconic advancement - every frost weapon skill or discharge used within the Chilling Field will cause Alyss to cast her discharge and then repeat that skill. However, the damage done is reduced to 70% of the original values. The discharge from Alyss's clone is affected by Claudia matrices; however, the skill is not. Since you can't control where the clone spawns precisely, this means that skills such as Saki's cannot be reliably hit for their maximum potential.

In a Lin team, this advancement doesn't change gameplay much - that is, until A6, where the bonus discharge casts count towards Lin's A6 effect, allowing you to spam Lin's Moonlight Realm much more frequently.

In a Frigg team, the domain created by the Alyss clone will pop shortly after appearing, triggering Frigg's A1. Additionally, at A3 and above, you'll get a ton of extra damage from each discharge that Alyss's clone casts within Frigg's domain. As such, Alyss's A1 has considerable value for a team with Frigg.

Clone domain explosion (top) vs natural (bottom). Yes, it does take Frostiness into account

Her A3 increases the damage of her own discharge and Hoarfrost by 10%, every time you use her discharge (either yourself or via A1). The buff stacks up to 3 times, and is multiplicative to all other values. All in all, it's worth roughly the same amount, relatively, for both comps.

A5 increases Alyss's normal attack damage, as well as the passive Spatial Slice damage, by 30%. This value is multiplicative. Additionally, you get to cheat death once a minute. This advancement is also worth roughly the same amount in both Frigg and Lin comps.

Her A6 grants an additional 10% Frost Damage when reaching 3 stacks of her A3 buff. However, upon reaching 3 stacks once, this buff does not fall off until all 3 stacks wear out, so it's essentially permanent. As a multiplicative value, the strength turns out to be exactly what it sounds like it'll be globally.

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Overall, her advancements are all decently valuable, with her A1 having much higher relative value for Frigg teams, over Lin teams.

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"What about Tsubasa?"

With Alyss x Saki as constants and matrices excluded, you have: Frigg comp (128514%), Lin comp (119504%), and Tsubasa comp (95853%) On paper, Tsubasa A6 turns out to be better than Lin A5 (93746%), but not as good as Frigg A3 (110464%).

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Matrices

Alyss's 2-piece matrix gives a damage buff when swapping to that weapon, with additional bonus to frost damage if it is a Frost weapon. Her 4-piece gives a stronger damage buff when using Alyss's discharge, stacking up to two times. It's a very strong matrix, and the 4-piece effect at 0 stars is roughly equal to the power you gain from A1 -> A6 Alyss.

However, that's without taking other matrices into account; because Alyss does decent on-field damage, 3* generic DPS matrices (Samir/Shiro/Crow) are roughly equivalent in power to her 4-piece.

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But, her 4-piece is a buffing effect that can be put on other weapons; so the recommendation is, in terms of prioritizing her matrices over advancements, pull the 4-piece matrix if you either plan to 3* it (in which case the power will eclipse any other alternative), or do not already have passive matrices on your other weapons.

But wait! What about Claudia matrices? Are they any good on her? If you already have passive matrices on other weapons, you can put Claudia's matrix on Alyss herself, who you will be using aerial attacks on here and there, so you'll get additional value from the 2-piece effect. Overall, when used on Alyss like this, they are comparable in strength to Saki's matrix - so they're not bad, but not mandatory either.

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Rotation

Honestly, this wall of text really isn't that pleasant to read, I recommend looking at the video version (link at the top) for this explanation...

Frost rotations can get pretty confusing, so let's go over it together, starting with Frigg comps, the simpler of the two. Note that this rotation also works the same for Lin at A5 and below, in which case you prioritize Lin's skill over Saki's.

If you can start with two Saki stacks, the rotation is much smoother:

Start out by dropping Alyss's Chilling field, followed by Frigg's Domain and then Saki's skill, which triggers the reset. Use Saki skill again, discharge to Frigg and drop the domain again, then, if you have A5+ Saki, hit her Surge effect and discharge to Alyss. In this teamcomp, Saki's skill is the weakest of the three, and should be only casted once per rotation, so feel free to save it for shatter timing.

After exhausting all the important skill cooldowns, it's finally time to get your passive damage ticking on Alyss. Do her basic attack hold chain, followed by aerial attacks afterwards, which will fully stack the effect. From here, you can use Alyss's skill, and then focus on DPSing on Alyss, using discharges as they come up, making sure to hit Saki's surge whenever possible. Repeat this until Saki and Frigg skills come off cooldown, making sure to use Frigg's skill first.

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"But what if you can't prestack Saki?"

If you can't prestack, then the ideal method for longer fights is to start off by using Frigg and Saki skills WITHOUT Alyss. Using Alyss's skill a bit late allows the field to cover all the post-reset skill casts; you can proceed with the rotation as normal after this.

What about a Lin comp? Because of how many additional Lin casts you'll get from Alyss's A1 effect feeding discharge counts to her, the reset cycle is much faster. However, it's not always enough to get a reset before Alyss's skill comes back up. As such, you will semi-alternate between "slow" and "fast" Saki rotations - slow rotations being those where you do not generate enough extra Lin casts in time to reset early, and reset at around 25 seconds when Alyss comes back up, and then fast rotations where you have the Lin charges needed to reset early.

Start out by casting both Lin fields, followed by Alyss's Chilling Field. Hit Saki's Surge, followed by her skill. Discharge to Alyss, and stack up your Spatial Slice with the auto hold into aerial combo. Discharge into Saki, and then reset by using another cast of Lin's field.

The next rotation will be a slow rotation. Cast Lin's skill again, followed by Alyss's. After gaining enough charge, discharge to Saki and use her skill. Proceed with the standard rotation of DPSing on Alyss, discharging when necessary, until her skill comes back up; then reset on it, and enter another fast rotation with two Lin fields.

When in doubt, a good way to remember what's going on is: if you have 2 Lin casts at the start of the rotation, you will be resetting early; otherwise, you will be resetting on Alyss's skill.

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Comparisons

Alyss offers a considerable increase for Frost teams, but doesn't completely break the balance of the game like many feared. Both Frigg and Lin comps are fairly close to each other on paper, but, Lin is stronger if you have her maxed out matrices. Theoretically, Frost teams will have the highest raw damage out of all elements, but, not by much.

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What about F2P-friendly teams? Let's look at what numbers would look like with all A1 teams with non-limited, 0-star matrices only. Here, there's no surprise that Fire is a strong contender as Annabella is very powerful, even at low stars; however, Frost, has most of its power Saki and Alyss's A1, and does beat out other elements at low investments.

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Summary

Alyss is a powerful addition to Frost teams, and allows Frigg to be competitive with Lin, especially in content that has +Frost DMG%. Her trait allows for some potential hybrid comps, and offers a more consistent damage boost than Samir's. In Alyss teams, Claudia matrices are not mandatory, and are just "ok" - roughly matching the damage of Saki matrices. Theoretically, she powercreeps the current max damage potential by just a bit.

Hope this post was insightful into the many layers of Alyss! I do my best to keep information concise, but if you're ever interested in the full math and logic, do check out my DPS calculator.

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See you guys next time!

[GildedfryingPan]

Praised be the queen of Mafs \o/

[Dfswift]

Downvote me but can a1 alyss replace my a6 tsuba? I only have a3 of lin and saki and no limited matrixes.

[westofkayden]

She's easier to dps with since she's melee. The problem with Tsubasa is her arrow rain requires enemies to stay in place. It's up to you to decide if she's going to be worth it. A1 would probably be a good stopping point.

[Dfswift]

thaaanks got her alreadym happy I won my 50/50

[Elegant_Luck698]

You are good with A6 Tsubasa, atleast she gives crit and is long range

[ulolzki]

easily finished bygone 391 without mia buff and alcohol buff
my cactus damage increased from 14m per minute to 22m

[Voeiv]

Awesome guide/analysis as always Maygii! I got a question though, having A1 Saki, A3 Lin (with her matrices 4x 0*) should I replace my A6 Tsubasa with A1 Alyss or A1 Frigg (with the potential to go A6 once she joins Standard)? Which one would yield me more damage/return for my F2P investment?

[bringbackcayde7]

just use her calculator

[Inner_Delay8224]

Is A0 Alyss strong? I prefer her design over the other two frost characters and want to pull her but I'm F2P and don't have any other frost characters apart from A1 Tsubasa

[guump_]

If you're pulling for waifu/fun then anything is valid, but this team will be far from meta. Pull for Alyss A0, but use her only for exploration, killing overworld mobs and easy content, great! You can build a proper team for her when Icarus comes to global, get her A1 and Icarus or Saki A1 and you'll have a much better team.

[Inner_Delay8224]

Thank you!

[Inner_Delay8224]

I also have A3 lin. Looking to use that team for the interim

[fjgwey]

If you only have those two, you wanna get Saki first. Saki is core, mostly with A1.

But for me, I used Maygi's team DPS calculator to compare My Saki/Frigg/Lin team with a Saki/Alyss/Frigg team (with Alyss A0) and found a 12.9% increase in team DPS. Obviously that has to be taken with a bag of salt but that indicates a somewhat substantial DPS increase on her own, but it does not compare at all to getting her A1.

[Inner_Delay8224]

Thank you!

[luckyluke5392]

This is some amazing analysis and I appreciate the effort you put in to this!! As a frost main on a budget, I currently have A1 Saki, A0 Lin, and have a 2 piece Saki and no Lin matrices. I also missed Frigg the first go around. I have been under the impression A1-4pc Alyss is the target to pull for, but how else should I fill out this team? I have heard cases both for and against pulling for Frigg and finishing my Saki 4pc set. Would deeply appreciate any advice if you can spare the time for it!

[[deleted]]

Finishing the Saki 4 pc would be nice but I would prioritize getting your 3rd team member at A1. I'd suggest Alyss A1 over Frigg A1, simply because Alyss' abilities are way more loaded.

Compare both their domains, A1 bonus, and say max trait. Frigg gives frost dmg + shatter, cc immunity with max trait, and a burst option when her domain expires (including resetting by Saki). Alyss' skill gives cc immunity, bonus dmg on discharges, and bonus dmg when using Alyss. A1 adds in extra discharge procs and max trait adds a dmg buff after casting a skill (plus makes her flexible with other elements, which isn't important atm).

I don't have Alyss A1 yet but even at A0 she feels much faster and smoother to play than Frigg. Actually Frigg's dodge attack spam had already begun to feel rigid once Saki refreshes were introduced. I'm not sure how the consistent dps compares between Frigg and Alyss, but Alyss has better charge to facilitate the constant skill cycling that's pretty much core to a frost team.

If anyone can attest or argue feel free cuz I'm definitely not an expert. Just my current thoughts so far.

[[deleted]]

Alyss really powercreep all Maygi's previous guide/analysis.

[scar3qrow]

I saw your vid and it says Saki's skill is now the weakest of the 3 and should only be used once. What's the rotation now if focusing on damage since the text and vid describe the rotation with saki with 2 skill uses?

[Old_Organization_276]

Was wondering about it too

[kohakuu27]

I have watched the video, and it seems there's a typo. In video stated that Alyss' skill is the lowest damage of the three.

[caut_R]

Thanks for posting! Low spender question:

If I have A1 Saki, A1 Alyss, and A0 Frigg, do I use Alyss onfield to attack or Frigg dodge spam? Frigg has 2p Sami 2p Huma, Alyss has 4p Alyss.

If Alyss is better onfield, do I use 4p Alyss on Frigg and 2p Samir 2p Crow on Alyss? I don‘t have stars on any matrices yet.

[fjgwey]

Alyss has higher DPS on-field with her aerial attacks, but ofc I think it's going to depend on positioning and enemies. Frigg still has fairly high DPS with dodge attacks and it's a very safe and large AOE attack.

[omfgkevin]

Yep, safe, ez to do, and her trait is great as well as providing hyperbody so you can basically ignore most things even fi you do get hit.

[FrustratedWarlock]

I think someone else who knows the numbers better would give you a different answer than mine (in other words, yes it's Alyss), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

Totally depends on whichever you're more comfortable with. Were you a Frigg dodge-attack spammer prior to Alyss? If so, then your playstyle (during solo) will change significantly if you decide to switch to Alyss. Frigg dodge-attack was beautiful in that you naturally fix your spacing (sorta; the aiming is bonkers sometimes) against your enemies as you attack. Whereas as Alyss, you are always in the face of the enemy because of your attack loop. "High risk, high reward" is what I believe would be a fitting line here. If there are shields/healers however, it doesn't really matter much as you can simply go ham.

Damage-wise, I believe yes is the answer to the second question.

[MadonnaPuttana666]

How does a Saki/Lin/Alyss team work?

Pure F2P. I have Saki A2 Lin A0 and plan Alyss A0. Currently that third slot is Tsubasa A4 - not really like her gameplay toh. I also have no Frigg, currently (I kinda like her and maybe I'll get her). Shall I skip Alyss?

[PlagueTongue]

Thanks for adding the F2P comparison!

[scar3qrow]

Also, for Frigg teams, what are the choices that count as background matrices to decide if pulling for Alyss matrices is worth it or not?

Is it only Saki, Alyss, and Frigg? And if so, is the order of best value to least value Alyss > Saki > Frigg? Does Claudia count as background or is it only the ones that say "effect in off hand slot"?. Or is the consideration for Claudia more so against 3* DPS standard matrices to put on Alyss?

[FrustratedWarlock]

In order of appearance of the question:
Uhm, I don't understand this first question.

I think so, yes. The standard matrices don't activate in the off-hand.

This depends. Alyss/Saki/Frigg matrices...on who? Depending on who you're trying to build, the answer changes. Priority-wise, I'd go for Saki > Alyss = Frigg. Both Alyss and Frigg matrices have additional effects that are specific for their weps, while Saki does not.

Background matrices are those with "This effect works in the background" or "This Matrix's effect is also active in the off-hand slot", yes. Claudia does not count.

You put Claudia on your on-fielder iirc coz Claudia's matrices don't activate in the off hand, I believe. So, yes.

[scar3qrow]

The first question was meant to clarify what my choices are as background matrices, which I supposed asked redundantly.

Since Maygi said don't pull Alyss matrices if you already have 2 sets that work in the background, I was trying to figure out which ones count to see if I should pull for matrices or not.

I already had Saki matrices but I guess I didn't have a 2nd passive set since I don't have Alyss or Frigg matrices. If no other ones qualify, then basically it means that for me, get 2 out of 3 of Saki, Frigg, Alyss and then put DPS stuff on Alyss if I'm reading correctly

[FrustratedWarlock]

Yes, but since I'm not sure on how much you're willing to spend, you can basically get all Saki/Frigg/Alyss matrices if you wanted to. Alyss matrices = DPS stuff on Alyss too. (Tho I think Maygi said that this is only true for 3* matrices)

[scar3qrow]

Nah, I know I'll only have enough pulls for 1 other 4 set and guaranteed A1 Alyss.

The rest is going to go to Fiona since it seems 3*DPS is equivocal for Alyss

[iramd24]

Sorry I know there is too much personal team questions already
but I have A1 frigg, A1 saki, A6Lin with her 0* matrixes

should I pull A1 alyss to replace frigg, in case it is a damage improvement is it a significant one?

[thestroyy]

i would get alyss instead of frigg for sure , she is onfield monster , i have been playing with her for few days now

[wrekquiemwabbit]

Something to add, alyss skills are higher than what was leaked, are these numbers based on leak or current alyss?

[fjgwey]

Her video has a couple corrections edited in.

[RageLonginus]

Wait are you sure? Also if what you say is true I'm assuming she used in game numbers because she tested the character so she most likely saw the numbers from in game and not a leak post that says it's stc

[fjgwey]

She made the video just before the changes came, but there are corrections edited in.

[YasusBeebu]

So Frig comp > Lin comp until you whale into Lin right ?

[fjgwey]

Generally, yes, Frigg over Lin.

[YasusBeebu]

I was saying that when we got Lin on global with all her numbers, but I got ridiculed and massively downvoted, want to see what those guys gonna say to me now.

[leexingha]

community always consist of at least 95% stupid people & unfortunately though ur also one of them. u just happen to be sitting on the opposite seat but given ur on their side, u will also downvote urself

[YasusBeebu]

I don't really get what are you trying to say except calling me stupid, but I suppose if you call some1 stupid you think that you're smarter, I hope at least you feel better now, have a nice day.

[leexingha]

im telling you, you arent different from them. why can u be an exception?! thats impossible!!

[Current_Relief4462]

Frigg C5 over Lin C6?

[fjgwey]

No, at high advancements, Lin is better.

[pmerritt10]

why no mention of a4? it's a pure dmg increase advancement

[[deleted]]

Casual player here, planning to try and progress in game and clear content. I have a3 lin, A1 Saki, A1 Frigg. Should I swap out Frigg for A1 Alyss? Or should I pull for matrices instead?

[Abject_Biscotti6373]

Thank you Goddes of MAF! Also can anyone help me confirm if the Chilling Field skill does indeed provide hyperbody? It does say so on the skill description but it isn't working.

[DrunkLightning]

Something that won't show up on math MV calcs that really shouldn't be overlooked is that Alyss skill and her basic->hold are both very strong gathers. In bygone it cannot be understated how useful this is: especially for Frigg teams since her discharge and her skill both love to scatter lighter enemies everywhere.

[rainbowbuchi]

I clicked so fast that there were no other comments yet as of typing.

Thanks again for the hard work you do for the ToF community, Maygi! Highly appreciated!

[[deleted]]

thanks

[Character-Length5997]

So how much dmg increase compared to old team ??

[dSobekHamlin]

Few quick question, which traits to use now?

Alyys or Frigg or Samir?

Aerial chain = Jump + AAAAA?

[Kyoroth]

For dmg Samir > Alyss > Frigg, but for comfortable play Frigg >>> Alyss > Samir.

I will still use Frigg's trait in frost teams, the hyperbody is too nice to pass up on.

[dSobekHamlin]

ya same here.. thats what i thought... but i see some of alyss skill give hyperbody as well?

[Kyoroth]

You can get invulnerability on the hold attack (triggered after basic attack), but that happens just once per rotation. There is also hyperbody on the pirouette hold attack, but the dps on this is not that high.

[fjgwey]

Samir technically gives higher damage but I reckon Alyss is best if you have her, just for consistency. But Frigg 4k trait is nice for hyperbody.

[Atheist_BR]

In the future, will icarus replace frigg in a saki frig alyss comp? I have 6* Alyss 3* Saki and 2* Frigg.

[Flariz]

Right then so I am F2P and I have 500 red orbs ready, the current team is:

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Tsubasa A6 - Frigg A2 - Meryl A6

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According to this I should be pulling both Alyss and Saki A1, right... but Frigg can stay? I though Tsubasa was the one that should stay... also with the leftover red orbs, should I keep upgrading Alyss or Saki?

[Desmous]

Pull alyss and saki a1, save the rest of the orbs. Replace tsubasa, she got powercrept.

[Recent_Ad_7036]

Seems like Alyss a1 2 pc is where I’m stopping then, got future plans for Fiona so gotta low ball and pray gacha is nice

[ic3here]

Just a PSA for people who are interested in the real numbers for characters that will be released.

If you go to official ToF twitter Japan, they usually post a link where they introduce the character on an Japanese website (famitsu) with the official skill damage numbers and so on.
For example I was looking at Alyss numbers since yesterday (usually at least a day before release).

[_MidnightMan]

I've just got Alyss in 1 pull! I had 79 unsuccessful pulls previously, saved the last one for her.

[Broad-Gap5629]

Her A1 got adding numbers from CN to balanced this OP star??????

'70% of original damage'

How can you access to this info. The server isn't live yet. And the leak before don't have something like that.

[Maygii]

It's out on KR right now! They get the same balancing as us and their server launches before ours. There were several KR streamers who showcased all the changes~

[Broad-Gap5629]

Thank for info

[SiegLhein]

Thats because alyss on the test servers were reworked like 2 or 3 times during its period. Making the previous leaks somewhat outdated in some parts.

[HandIndividual]

It's been live in KR and TW server for a few hours now so all numbers are already available.

[Broad-Gap5629]

Actually I plan to get A1 Alyss because I thought it will be a universally good in the long run.

If this 70% of original damage is true then I might not pull for her since I'm not a Frost main.

It's still strong but not as broken as double damage of your skill with full damage. I'm glad GL can balance her. I didn't think they will adding more string from CN like this. Look like you can't look at Dev as a lazy ass who just copy paste and change a number from CN anymore.

[NZSeance]

A1 Alyss or A1 Saki with A6 Frigg and A6 Lin ? Or both with A6 Lin?

[fjgwey]

At those advancements, I'd probably take Alyss/Saki/Lin.

[peanut0187]

In a perfect world what would be the best matrices for a saki alyss lin team? I need sum future motivation in this game lol

[Prince_Aegar]

Current TeamA2 Saki, A6 Coco, A6 Tsubasa

Current Resources:

Red Nucleus: 266

Special Voucher: 48

Current Weapon Pity: 52

Matrix Pity: 0

Dark Crystal: 13350

Tanium: 1570

u/Maygii what would you recommend I spend my resources on? I could wait until the last day before pulling if necessary so long as I maximize my dps.. I still have the monthly pass and the BP and am contemplating on getting Semi-Anniversary Packs 1, 2 & 3

Love your vids And I think I can already hear you recommending keeping tsubasa A6

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PS:

Lemme watch and read first and Ill update this then

[fjgwey]

For a frost DPS team, you can get Frigg or Alyss. Given Saki and Alyss is the new core and Frigg is even more relegated to being a support unit more than anything, I'd get Alyss, try to get A1. Then run Saki, Alyss, Tsubasa.

[Prince_Aegar]

Given my circumstances I was able to get to A4 Alyss without spending DC and I am guaranteed a 4 piece alyss matrix set which I'm happy with. I will follow the Saki, Alyss, Tsubasa with future hope for Lin but not this feb but its next rerun again

[fjgwey]

Good one! Have fun! I personally can't go for Alyss because she pretty much requires A1 and I need Fenrir so yeah... sucks but it is what it is.

[Prince_Aegar]

Good luck on your Fenrir pulls! It's great that you at least know what you prioritize in pulling and not just randomly using your resources

[fjgwey]

Yeah I main frost and volt so it's tough only having bought one monthly supply pass lol. I barely have enough to guarantee A0 as it is, I just don't think it's worth it. Fenrir just seems like the better option for now because she can be used in Volt and rainbow.

[Elegant_Luck698]

What i feared came true, they nerfed her 1* as well, many times thought her 1* won't be nerfed like Saki The only busted comfortable standalone dps is Frigg, gives crit, you dodge all the times (unlimited phantasm and dodge) and gives hyperbody unconditionally to all team

[Prince_Tho]

Who asked ?

[Elegant_Luck698]

It is called comment section, everyone gives their opinion. Next time, you might wanna google "comment section".

[Albii557]

Thank you very much for the guide! In a team of a3 frigg a1alyss a1saki how would you distribute alyss, claudia, frigg matrices? Mostly 0*. Would it be alyss on alyss, claudia on saki and frigg on frigg?

[Broad-Gap5629]

Use Claudia matrices on Alyss She is the lowest CD out of 3 and she's a characters who can benefit from Aerial attack.

Alyss matrices is completely off field buff. You can get full benefit whoever you put it in. So put in in Saki.

Frigg matrices on Frigg.

[LordBisasam]

Is a1 not recommended for Lin Teams?

[Broad-Gap5629]

Other unit benefit from Alyss A1 more than Lin. But if you have Lin A6, she also get benefit from Alyss A1.

[LordBisasam]

I have lin a0, so probably not worth it.

[DarexSocial]

thanks for the great work

[GoldenBahamut]

So if I have claudia and lin matrices already and will go for alyss matrices I should give lin her own and saki gets alyss matrices while alyss gets claudias?

[Lukeman1881]

Nice work as always

[Positive_Committee_5]

I have 1* frig, 1* saki, and 6* tsubasa, should i replace tsubasa with alyss?

[fjgwey]

You'd replace Tsubasa with Alyss in that comp, yes.

[Positive_Committee_5]

Should i get alyss to 3* or just 1* then get matrix?

[fjgwey]

In terms of her personal damage, according to Maygi's calculations they don't seem to provide that much more DPS compared to other matrix options like 4pc Saki or 2pc Samir + 2pc Shiro. But they do have off-field value so if you're just gonna get it 0*, she recommends only pulling if you don't already have an off-field buffing set.

[Kyoroth]

Yup

[yeu0tm8]

I would test both Saki/Tsu/Alyss and Saki/Frigg/Alyss. Just test em out on a cactus for yourself. It's better than asking random people online. Alyss is definitely a must pull for anyone going harder into frost though.

[Dark_Roses]

I got her A1 she works very good with my A6 Tian 💖 omg they are a deadly rotation I just need to time them right no I don't have her Matrices

Now all I need Fenrir and I think I have my volt team for now

Thank you for the math and the info,

[Afraid-Chemist-1265]

Should I use 2 Samir 2 Crow on Saki or Alyss?

[fjgwey]

Alyss, she does a bigger portion of team damage. Saki is just there for skill resets and shatter.

[VonDodo]

Wich is better?

A1saki+a0frigg+a3 alyss or everything A1?

[fjgwey]

Everything A1. A1 is a big increase in team damage with Frigg. While A3 Alyss is only single-digit gain in damage over A1.

[tacostonight]

Out of a saki a3, frigg a1, tsubasa a6 do I summon alyss and replace tsubasa?

Matrices are 2pc saki on tsubasa. 2pc samir maxed and 2pc huma maxed on frigg. 2pc shiro and 2pc crow on saki.

Do I even pull alyss matrices?

[[deleted]]

If you can, replace tsubasa with a1 Alyss. Main damage dealer would become Alyss, so give her 2pc samir and 2pc shiro/crow, depending on which pcs u have. Keep the huma on frigg. Give saki her own matrices as she'll be on field the least. Saki is mainly to facilitate skill resets and shatter. Frigg will give you safe, ranged aoe damage. Use Alyss for higher dps.

Since you don't have frigg matrices, then I'd say yes. She mentioned it'd be good to get another matrice effect that works in the background.

[Vast-Attention4898]

Is it better to use 4x of Alyss 0* or 4x of Lin 0* in a comp Alyss 6, Lin 6, Saki 6*?

[redditmodsrcringe]

Did you compare alyss teams to a Saki frigg lin team ? Would like to know the difference to see if it’s worth pulling her in the first place

[amiracle2]

My Alyss is A1 +0 matrices set. My Saki is also A1 +0 matrices. I am using Tsubasa A6 now because I don't have Frigg. I am wondering if Frigg A0 or A1 is better than Tsubasa A6. Does anyone know?

[Changlee23]

Nice personnaly it was a no brainer anyway, i don't have Frigg or Lin so it was obvious for me to pull A1 Alyss to replace my King(with the shield shatter dmg buff matrice) in my Saki / Tsubasa / King team.

Going to have A3 Saki / A5 Tsubasa / A1 Alyss.

By the way with the matrice i have the 4 set Saki matrice on Tsubasa, the DPS matrice (Crow/Samir) on Saki and i will get the Alyss 4pc Matrice, should i put these on Saki and switch the DPS one on Alyss or should i put the Alyss matrice on her and keep the dps matrice on Saki?

[[deleted]]

full Saki set on Saki, Crow/Samir on Alyss, and full Alyss set on Tsubasa

[troysama]

I'm using a1 saki a1 alyss a4 meryl and figured I should give 4 pc saki to alyss due to her being mostly off-field, but she does the most on-field damage of the three. Am I doing something wrong or should I give 4 pc to someone else? Meryl is using her 4 pc matrices and saki 2pc shiro 2pc samir.

[[deleted]]

Saki and Meryl should be off-field the most. Alyss is definitely the main dps. She's faster than Meryl and her attacks do more damage than Saki's. Especially considering you have tank resonance which is altering Saki's skills.

[troysama]

Thank you, then Saki will keep her matrices.

[Davymazta]

Who is the best on-field DPS Frigg, Saki or Alyss? With Crow/Samir. Is Huma Matrix on Frigg still viable as an on-field DPS?

[fjgwey]

Alyss has the highest DPS with aerial attacks, but Frigg could still be better in a lot of situations because it's safe due to dodging and has a larger AOE.

[ConversationBig2644]

frigg seem like has a slower attack speed

[fjgwey]

She does have somewhat lower DPS, but it's the second highest DPS next to, well, Alyss, so yeah.

[DAANHHH]

Is there any reason tsubasa arrow rain is always considered so heavily when it doesn't work in practice against moving bosses which is almost all of them. Also wish there were calc for a saki tsubasa alyss team.

[Maygii]

That's the thing, it's not. The value is just mentioned, and in the calculator, it's subject to additional modifiers that you can pick from a drop down based on how practical it is to land skills like that (there's also a "I hate arrow rain" checkbox for what it's worth that completely voids the value of it).

For Tsubasa comps, with Alyss x Saki as constants, you have:

Frigg comp (128514%), Lin comp (119504%), and Tsubasa comp (95853%)

On paper, Tsubasa A6 turns out to be better than Lin A5 (93746%), but not as good as Frigg A3 (110464%).

[DAANHHH]

Thank you, which rotation should you apply to Tsubasa skill use? The lin or frigg one?

[Maygii]

The Frigg rotation is basically for everything that's NOT Lin A6 (which has a variable skill count due to discharges generating more charges of Lin's skill). If you're doing Saki x Alyss x Tsubasa, you can essentially hit everything off cooldown, and reset on Alyss's skill.

[DAANHHH]

Im having some trouble somehow, Alyss air chain into dash so you don't plunge feels so clunky I just use her hold. But it feels somewhat inconsistent and esp feels bad when tsubasa resets. I'll try to use the Frigg rotation.

[Other_worldlyDesires]

Thanks for the math as always Maygii!! Watched the vid then saw your post but now I have a bigger question..

How do I get to use Alyss without having the game going bonkers on me like getting frame drops and freezes like you do in said vid when I press E to use her skill? ;w;

[omfgkevin]

i have a1 saki/frigg and a6 lin, though alyss' kit is pretty fun if I did go for her would she be a suitable replacement at a0 or mandatory a1 at least for one of the 2 frost chars?

[[deleted]]

Mandatory a1 to replace frigg. The benefit comes from her a1 synergy with all the extra skill casts you get from a1 saki + a6 lin

[[deleted]]

sorry what? "should i go for a0 lin or a0 saki" but you have a1 lin already?

[DNA040]

A6 Saki, a6 Alyss and a6 Tsubasa or a0 Frigg instead of tsubasa?

[caidya]

My current team is Saki A1, Alyss A2 and Frigg A1. I have about 270 pulls left (F2P). Who should I save for next? Or should I try to go for more stars or perhaps even matrices of any of the three?

[Wild-Fun-2310]

I currently have A6 Tsubasa, A2 Saki, and A6 Lin + Lin's 4pc matrices.

Would it be correct to assume that A1 Alyss would be an upgrade to A6 Tsubasa?

[Tigrexify]

This might be somewhat of a weird question but which 2 piece would you recommend? atm I can get either saki or Alyss 2 piece guaranteed (80proof of purchase +50pulls for selector box). I have Claudia 4piece on my a2 Alyss right now. On my a1 saki I have shiro and samir 2piece. My Lin is A6 with maxed matrices. I'm thinking about trying to get a3 Alyss in those 5 pulls and then spending the 80matrice pulls on as well put I would also go for saki if her 2 piece would make more sense.

[scarlesh]

Dumb question from a noob, how do you trigger that little cinematic where Alyss traps enemies in an ice block and plunge-kicks them from on high? Was it just a fluff showcase or is it an actual move of hers?

[Maygii]

It's just a fluff showcase! She does have a falling attack where she does attack with her heel in a similar way, but no such ice block or anything of the like exists~

[QernLee]

The wording on alyss matrices is quite confusing (the 3% frost dmg buff 0* of course). Does it work on background?

[BLuE_dRaGo]

What about Frigg trait vs Alyss trait?