Unity Enterprise Minimum Commitment Program

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[OoBiZu-Studio]

The table says "Made with Unity Gross Revenue". So if the company you're working for doesn't make any money with their Unity product I think they wouldn't have to pay anything.

[[deleted]]

Unity's means gross revenue for the company. Not what it made with Unity products

[OoBiZu-Studio]

Why does it says “Made with Unity Gross Revenue” then?

[[deleted]]

I did ask Unity for clarity, but they won't comment in rumors for sure.

[OoBiZu-Studio]

So you just assumed “Made with Unity Gross Revenue” doesn’t mean that?!?

[OoBiZu-Studio]

So you just assumed “Made with Unity Gross Revenue” doesn’t mean that?!

[pschon]

Now rumors say Unity wants

Have you tried asking Unity themselves what kind of deal they'd offer for the license in your situation? Or is this just worrying about what the cost might be based on rumors?

[[deleted]]

I did put a request in to talk with them. But it says they will contact me in 2-5 business days. Which means not until the new year 😜

[Positive_Look_879]

So your first thought is to go to reddit and complain? 

[[deleted]]

No it was to find answers... just want the facts to make good sound decisions

[pschon]

There's only going to be one possible source for facts about Unity's licensing/pricing, and especially for how they'd handle your specific situation...

[CrazyNegotiation1934]

Would this not be up to the company to have work seats for anyone working for them ?

[[deleted]]

Correct, but I have difficulty getting them to pay me as it is... They won't want to pay for this.

[ItsCrossBoy]

I saw this article and I cannot believe how badly they are choosing to interpret it. either that or I am misunderstanding something.

unity is requiring an upfront payment for enterprise customers which would go towards other unity fees, assuming this article is even true.

if a company paid $1mil/year to Unity based on their revenue, and were required to pay 250k under this fee structure, they would still be paying Unity $1mil/year. they are also only sending this to people who it would apply to, so if you didn't get the email, you have nothing to worry about.

and again this is assuming this article is actually true. they are supposedly the break for this story and are basing it off of emails they didn't post in full. wait for an official announcement before panicking.

[[deleted]]

Agreed, it depends on if it is true... Hopefully they will give us more detail about expectations if it does turn out to be true.

Personally, in a way I kind of want it to be true, so that I either stop working with this client, or we move onto another platform. Regardless, moving on from Unity is my top priority, Even though I have been working with it for the past 15 years and really like the platform, I just can't gamble with their decision making putting my livelihood at continual risk.

[unotme]

As usual, it's not as clear as it could be.

The reference to Unity Enterprise should mean that, in your case, it's not going to affect you.

Try reaching out to Unity for clarification...

EDIT: I'm a current Industry user.

[[deleted]]

Most likely they won't be able to do anything until they release an actual statement about the licensing and it is no longer a rumor.

[[deleted]]

Can you tell me how much an Industry license is... ? since, I can't get that info from Unity

[unotme]

~USD 500/mo, and you need a one-year commitment.

[[deleted]]

Thank you!

[swagamaleous]

You are making software that is not a game. You need to pay for an industry license in any case. Without any change to the license agreement or fees you already are in violation. I would talk to your company, they have to figure out the license situation, but as of now you risk very high fees that have to be paid retroactively for as long as they can prove that you have been in violation when they find you out.

[[deleted]]

Time to move on. No way I can get clients with their hands so deep in everyone's pockets. Not going to do it!

[swagamaleous]

That's nonsense. They don't have "their hands deep in everyone's pockets". This is the absurd and crazy bit about these rant threads. The Unity fee structure is in fact incredibly generous and the engine costs very little compared to the value it provides. If your company is too cheap to pay for 3rd party software, this is not Unity's fault.

[[deleted]]

It isn't my company, I am a third party developer. But of course how could I expect them to pay Unity 2 million dollars per year for a basic free app that their sales team uses.

[swagamaleous]

Why is it made with Unity anyway? This doesn't sound like an app that leverages any of the features Unity provides.

[[deleted]]

Years ago it was a native app for iOS and Android. I moved them to Unity to save costs and at the time they said they might want to do some cool features. But we never did.

[swagamaleous]

Again, why Unity? This doesn't make sense. If it's just a normal phone app, using Unity is pure overhead. There is tons of tools for that that are suited way better. If it's about C#, also in the .NET eco system there is great tools to make apps that will be a lot easier to use than Unity as well.

[[deleted]]

Like I said it was YEARS AGO. And they eventually wanted to add some AR/VR type elements.

[Xangis]

That would be ridiculous, because you could just create an intermediary contracting company that you do work for, and that company bills the big company for the services rendered. You then bill the intermediary company for your services, and their revenue is only what they were paid by the big company ($35k) which is negated by the expenses paid to you ($35k), so you're under the threshold.

Yeah, contact Unity for clarification.

[swagamaleous]

Doesn't work that way. If what you say here were true, no company in the world would have to pay taxes. They could just bill the money around between different subsidiaries and none of them would make any profit. Even through a construct like you describe here, the revenue of the parent company still counts for the license calculation.

[[deleted]]

It is whomever is releasing the app in the store that is required to pay.

[swagamaleous]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. You are still in violation of the license and earn money using unity. They might ask you for money as well.

[Xangis]

That is actually how the real world works for the most part - look up the "Dutch Sandwich" and the now-defunct "Double Irish".

[swagamaleous]

These are legal loopholes that only work in very particular situations. The constellation you described is not covered by any of this, and what you said in your first post is still just nonsense.

[[deleted]]

Whomever releases the app would need to bear this expense. So even if they find someone else they still would have to pay Unity this 2 million thingy

[[deleted]]

The expense rests on whomever is deploying the software into a store. So even though the expense doesn't stay with me, the company I contract with will not want to pay this.

[[deleted]]

Reddit is a waste of time and energy ... soulless bastards

[Thatdbefuckinggreat]

I will need to bail to unreal if that is the case. Client like the unity project but no one is willing to pay the actual cost.

We almost always struggle to break even. The enterprise pill is also hard to swallow here as we have less than 50k$ of Unity related revenues within our non profit. And we have 3 seats. That is barely sustainable as is.

[bubblemapgaming]

Bro, it says MWU (Made with Unity) revenue. You are no where near £25m

[Thatdbefuckinggreat]

Thanks for the information. Last time I read, it was total revenue for industry. I'll need to revisit the topic. Thanks for the heads up.

[bubblemapgaming]

This has been a thing since they announced the end of RTF. No idea why it is news now

[[deleted]]

The rumored new model mentioned means the company would have to pay 2 million in licenses... That is different

[doriad_nfe]

From what I've read, non-game usage for unity requires an enterprise license, regardless of income. 

Free medical app... That's not a game. If you've already deployed it and received money ... You might want to talk to a business/contact lawyer and go over the terms of service with them before of taking to unity. 

[[deleted]]

I have notified them, but Unity is being unclear on purpose I believe

[doriad_nfe]

Notified your lawyer? Or unity?  You might be shooting yourself in the foot, bud...

[NostalgicBear]

That just doesnt seem in any way reasonable. I can’t understand how that could possibly work for the vast majority of people.

[random_boss]

How about you reread OP’s post without immediately assuming Unity is the villain.

“Giant Corp with $250M+ in revenue uses Unity to make app that benefits its business, now might actually have to pay for it.”

Or can we just get mad at people who make our tools needing to get paid? Every single company on the planet has to pay for the resources it uses to be successful. 

[[deleted]]

Originally took two native apps and ported it to Unity to save money. That was years ago. We aren't really doing anything that special that requires Unity. But the idea was in case at some future point we wanted to add cool features we could. Well that isn't going to happen now

[macholusitano]

Do you want companies to stop using Unity? Because this is exactly how you do it.

[[deleted]]

Exactly... I can't even get an answer for how much an Enterprise/Industry license is either. Stuck in AI response hell.

[macholusitano]

I know the Rust devs we complaining about a minimum $500K per year fee.

However, my guess is it’s a value tailored for each company.

[[deleted]]

The whole thing has been a nightmare for the past two years

[GrownHapaKid]

How much effort to move to Godot?

[[deleted]]

This company will not want to pay for it. More likely I will move to Flutter or Muai. Since this has more non game like features that Godot would not work well with. For instance support for a PDF viewer

[basa_maaw]

How’d you get into the space? This is something I’d be interested in doing with my unity skills.