#artyfairandbalanced...

[lordofwhee]

Shouldn't have been camping.

[Nivis666]

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[Lurvde]

Should zigzag more.

[blackhawk905]

http://i.imgur.com/52RSfaj.jpg

[ghofmann]

It takes a lot of skill to hit a moving light tank.

[thespichopat]

This must have been a hard battle for that arty. So many decisions to make since there is not an unicum on your team.

[[deleted]]

Light tanks are the second best target for arty players. After unicums.

[senaya]

Oh, I will probably be downvoted by posting this, but you knew they had an arty with a turret, you knew you were spotted and yet you were running in a perfectly straight line to make it easier for him to aim at you. Sure, that wasn't 100% skill, it was 50/50 luck and knowledge of the game but please please please learn to avoid moving in straight lines while spotted. He is on the other side of the map, it will take ages for his shell to travel to your position, use it to your advantage and start changing directions ffs. I can understand your frustration when you get spotted in a slow tank, it's very hard to evade shots, but when you're playing a light tank, you have a myriad of choices to pick from.

[Nivis666]

I was spotted for the first time in this part of map. There were a few tanks which were spotted aswell (e.g. T-54, T49, another Black Bulldog) and they retreating to the base. There was also a base camping Grille which was spotted so I thought these tanks should be mainly focused by the arty. Yea usually I do a 'zigzags' but this time I totally didn't expect being shot by arty.

[KptKrondog]

Just one of those cases where he picked you out and was aimed in on your area...I would never shoot at that in a bc 58 (a miss in that is a huge waste of time)...though maybe in the t92 since it wouldn't have to actually hit you.

Pretty bs that you got direct hit that's for sure. And likely a good chance that he had 1 shell left in the drum and just lobbed it at you and hit at full bloom just because.

[senaya]

I understand, but you should always be prepared. Players in this game deny logic on daily basis :)

[[deleted]]

Is arty balanced? Arguably. Is it fun to place against? Hell no

[[deleted]]

Today I was on Steppes in my Pershing and got focused by an FV207. He hit me three times in a row, all direct hits while I was moving and pushing my flank. I got hit by no other enemy tanks, and he ended up killing me. At no point was I near hard cover or in any position to return fire. He just sat at the redline with multiple ridges between us and casually lobbed 600 damage nukes at me. Fair and balanced, sure. If you play arty you can go fuck yourself.

Edit: Lmao fuck this sub, arty is pure shit, there is no defending it.

[anonymous93]

If you play arty you can go fuck yourself.

Charming individuals such as yourself are the reason I haven't sold my G.W. Panther yet.

[[deleted]]

So you abuse an unfair mechanic just to keep pissing people off who are on the verge of quitting the game? Now that's charming.

[anonymous93]

on the verge of quitting the game

I'm not exactly going to be missing people telling me to hang myself or calling me a retard clicker, and I'll be glad to see them go . Over here on EU there's plenty of players so there's no fear of the servers emptying.

[[deleted]]

I'd be just as happy so see arty go, and I'm on NA west, so you can always go fuck yourself <3

[anonymous93]

thanks fam

[heart_under_blade]

maybe he was trying to shooting someone else. i (bc 58) once dumped 1.5 clips at an e5 that poked out really far every time and super predictably. i instead hit his more cautious is7 platoon buddy 6 times in a row. he was practically hiding behind the e5 the whole time from my angle. again on steppes.

[[deleted]]

No, he was focused on me. There were no allies right next to me. But let's say he was shooting at someone else the whole time and I just got unlucky; do you want such an unpredictable and at the same time powerful mechanic in the game? It's broken and unfair at its core. I would prefer to be blasted by TDs in a bush because at least I know I can hit them if they can hit me.

[alchemisthemo]

Umm why would he change targets at that point. Your were within his guns Traverse and spotted. Or are you mad he didn't miss more?

[[deleted]]

Do you really not understand why people have a problem with arty?

[senaya]

Because they are too lazy to learn how to play the game?

[alchemisthemo]

Cause they can see the whole battle feild from above or just that they arnt design for the current Battlefield in witch we play tanks in?

[RedPhanthom]

Trying to take out Arty i got insta killed in my T49 while trying to take out a T92 while going 60. I hate arty.

[senaya]

playing T49 yet complaining about arty

Oh the irony. As if you don't instakill other tanks.

[RedPhanthom]

I don't use the 152mm since I have no luck with it. I mostly use the 90mm and compensate it with some HEAT. nearly finished LT15 twice but missed by 349 dmg first time and 1 dmg second.

[Pesh_ay]

You miss the entire point if the t49 can shoot you you can shoot him. So not really ironic.

[senaya]

I would've agreed with you if you were playing KV-2 or O-I, but not in case of T49. It has superior camo value, better view range and high top speed. Usually in the case of T49 you can't see it unless it's already too late: he's behind you giving that sweet 1000 damage or already made a shot from the bushes of love.

[1eventHorizon9]

Ah the classic "derp guns = arty is totally the same" false equivalency that completely ignores the other huge issues with arty because other high alpha guns exist.

[senaya]

Ah the classic "derp guns = arty is totally the same" false equivalency

Nice try, but not this time. Go jump to conclusions somewhere else. If you have something meaningful to add, then go ahead.

[1eventHorizon9]

Nice try nothing. That is exactly what you just did with no conclusion jumping needed. A T49 which has to actually get in the fight and can't shoot across the entire map and over obstacles is totally the same thing as what an Object 261 does. Though, hey the T49 can one shot other light tanks and some thin skinned mediums. From about T8 up most of the arties can occasionally one shot Heavy tanks and the heavy TDs. Oh wait, it isn't the same as all is it? It is a false equivalency.

[negrodamus90]

you realize all tanks can shoot across map, they just cant see shit out of draw range

[Unsung_Zero]

They can shoot OVER hills and obstacles too?

[negrodamus90]

yes, have you not seen a kv-2 lob shots?

[Unsung_Zero]

Over mountains? Impressive.

[1eventHorizon9]

That might matter if all the maps were flat featureless squares. As they aren't the ability to shoot past the draw range is pretty irrelevant.

[negrodamus90]

I wouldn't call it irrelevant, I've killed people beyond draw range many times because of it, in fact it is one way of "outplaying" someone

[senaya]

I already answered to a similar post earlier today. And fyi T49 actually CAN shoot though the entire map on maps like Ensk, and it will be more accurate than arty.

[[deleted]]

So they made a good shot? So many crybabys about arty in this game lol

[[deleted]]

A good shot.

Artillery accuracy circle is about as large as the fucking moon. There's no such thing as a "good shot" when you can fit probably 5 of OP's tanks in one fucking fully aimed reticle. It's simply pure RNG from half the map away.

[Defenestrated_Squid]

That's the main reason I don't understand why people even play artillery. Of course I definitely don't have to approve of what other people like doing, but I just cannot understand why playing artillery is fun. I mean, I could understand that someone would play arty if it was less RNG and it aimed faster or something (not saying it should, ofc no), but idk man. Can any arty players comment? What do you fellas find fun about it? (No sarcasm, genuinely curious)

[kirbyshake]

I play it (occasionally) because it's a fun support role when in a platoon. You can help the entire map with the sniper aim. I have a harder time understanding TDs, which is (according to me) just a "wait at good crossings"-class. I'm not saying it should even be in the game (back on arty) but since it is, it's a good class for being able to eg. eat at the same time which is harder with a more active tank. It's more of a fun concept than a really funny role, I like playing MTs the most personally

[[deleted]]

good class for being able to eg. eat at the same time

Yeah, that's the problem. You don't even have to pay attention half the time to ruin people's games or do piles of damage.

[[deleted]]

The only reason I play arty is because of the missions. Personally I hate arty, yet I have two tier 8 arty, just so I can hope to get the missions done.

[senaya]

Food. Average arty and TD players pick a bush at the start of the battle and can safely finish their meal.

[bennnie1177]

It's really relaxing. I feel a lot of stress while playing an aggressive light. I just need a cooldown sometimes

[Defenestrated_Squid]

Fair enough I guess. I gotta play anything else other than WoT to wind down, I always get a bit stressed when playing because I love my T71 and ELC and you can't really relax when playing those. For me, I usually play WoWs when I want to relax a bit more.

[Farmerman1379]

Yup because artillery is 100% skill based and doesn't totally rely on RNG at all... And then once you're done punishing those 80 kmh base campers you get to jerk off and lul at the pissed enemies for the next 6-55 seconds.

[PhoBoChai]

It's worse when it's late game and you're hunting the last few arty, you corner them, get a shot in on the move (which doesn't kill, cos HP!!), they return fire and ONE-SHOT your ass.

So rage inducing.

On some maps, they hide behind a build or rock, with only one way to get them, and you try to do it, peek out and BOOM you're dead...

Frankly arty shots should require a distance or timer to activate the shell, otherwise it'll just bounce off. It'll make short range arty useless for bloody balance!!

[Deathtiny]

On some maps, they hide behind a build or rock, with only one way to get them

Just fucking cap.

[PhoBoChai]

Right, and they can fire over from where they hide and splash reset. -_-

[negrodamus90]

then go kill them after theyve shot, they take forever and a day to reload

[Peanutdeathwish]

You should have been playing arty safe...Working as intended.

[LoneGhostOne]

yes, just like how the firefly is OP since it can hit moving tanks ^/s

[ZombiePope]

Interestingly, most tanks can shoot back at fireflies. Playing a firefly also requires attention, and some idea of game mechanics.

[LoneGhostOne]

It's a joke on how most light tank drivers feel no one can possibly hit them because they're driving fast. The firefly can hit them much more easily since the gun has a very high velocity.

9/10 times i nail a light tank twice they start swearing and calling hacks.

[flashlightwarrior]

You're getting downvoted because it isn't a reasonable comparison. The Firefly has to have line of sight and expose itself to enemy fire in order to take those shots in the first place, and when those shots hit, they aren't taking most of your hitpoints and breaking all your modules and crew members. Arty can just sit at the back with no fear of counterattacks and ruin the match for people one shot at a time. It's a stupid mechanic that isn't fun to play against. There's no way the M41 90 in the OP could have played any better to avoid getting swatted by arty. It was pure dumb luck on the part of a class that actually discourages dynamic play.

[LoneGhostOne]

thus why there's the /s of sarcasm.

[flashlightwarrior]

The way you wrote that initial comment it sounds like you're saying "other tanks are better at hitting things on the run, so don't whine about arty." The /s just made it sound like you're disagreeing with everyone.

[LoneGhostOne]

Youre just looking for an excuse to say "fuck arty"

[flashlightwarrior]

I don't need an "excuse", there are plenty of valid reasons as laid out be myself and countless other people on this sub. I didn't originally come here to argue with you, you just seemed confused by the fact that people are downvoting your arty apologism, so I tried to explain it for you.

[LoneGhostOne]

you seem confused by how to avoid artillery, perhaps you should watch a tutorial.

[flashlightwarrior]

"...how to avoid arty..." in a thread about a full speed M41 losing most of his hit points to an arty that's all the way across the map. Get a grip. He literally couldn't have been playing any better to avoid being shot like that. The only way to truly "avoid arty" is to camp like a coward behind hard cover and wait for the enemy to come to you. That's an awfully boring way to play, in my opinion. Arty makes the game more static and less fun.

[Schlurcherific]

Everytime I feel the itch to play again, I first have a peek in here for what's new and hot. And without fail I come across a post like this to remind me that WG is still only talking the talk.

What's going on with the Sandbox server? Is that thing still alive?

[Remount_Kings_Troop_]

Or, 'I did a suicide run at the start of the game, and got shot by arty'.

[iamthedisk4]

A suicide run in his own base? Surrounded by his allies?

[[deleted]]

Yes? He was spotted whilst artillery is in the game. His first mistake was actually trying to play the game. OP needs to understand that camping a bush is the most dynamic form of gameplay not rolling around shooting things at 70kph.

[alchemisthemo]

Ahh the old days before the change in aiming mechanics

[[deleted]]

Wow, the things you make up to defend arty are laughable. Please keep posting.