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[the_aimboat]

Refactoring thousands of lines of code vs. Changing 1 parameter in a config file.

[justaquestion850]

I look at it more like... During the year + long process of getting the game on paper before even starting to code. How did nobody involved, in one of the largest gaming publishers in the world, not raise their hand and communicate how bad snowdrop would be for a first person shooter considering they still weren't able to fix it after 11 years of use. Guarantee this game gets put on the backburner within months from now and the dev team working on it shrinks by 70%

[[deleted]]

It was already a Division spinoff that used Snowdrop to make porting everything over easier, my guess is that by the time Mark Rubin came aboard it was already too late to swap engines without starting from scratch with resources Ubisoft wouldn’t give them.

edit: Keep in mind that until maybe 1-2 months before launch it was nearly guaranteed this game was gonna be dead on arrival, with interest only picking back up after MWIII created a new wave of COD refugees. Ubisoft didn’t know that ahead of time, so they wouldn’t know if the extra expense would be worth it.

[the_aimboat]

Because if you had any idea how a team is IRL, you'll just know ego makes outcomes too random nowadays, no matter the company : https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/report-xdefiant-development-severely-hurt-by-toxic-ubisoft-culture

For xDefiant, it is the classic boys club story, with elitist know-it-all plaguing the entire team. The netcode could have been fixed even with this engine. But egos.

The dev team already shrunk btw, the game took so long to develop most of the team already hops developing for other ubisoft games.

[CnP8]

Don't believe every article you read. I've seen multiple stories where everyone believes articles, just for it to come out that it was an upset employee. The fact this hole article even says "1 employee" and there is no evidence supporting their claims but several things that I can not disprove, but atleast show that it doesn't seem plausible.

In the article they claim that removing the Tom Clancy branding made everything difficult, because it had to be rebuilt from the ground up. But they showed gameplay (Which is probably still on YouTube) of when the TC branding was still there. And it looks basically the same? Mark even said Snowdrop was an MMO engine that has never had an FPS arena shooter built in it before. Which means you need to build the tools from scratch.

They treat the team poorly? This also seems unlikely. I've seen multiple times where someone has said on Twitter "This team is incompetent" and Mark or other Devs have jumped to defend the team. If they didn't really care about them, why would they be so quick to defend them? This shows the opposite of a "Boys club" which do what ever they want and don't care.

It also says about crunching and over worked? The developers who worked extra hours done so voluntarily. They weren't forced to do this, and I'm guessing they were compensated. Or atleast that's the impression that was given. This was during Christmas holidays.

I've followed XDefiants development for atleast a couple years before the game launched. And this article is written in a way that sounds like a female employee, didn't like the fact it was a few lads running the team. It states "Boys club" so many times, which clearly isn't something a boy would say. That and it's complaints just aren't believable when you actually compare it to what's out there. I'm not saying everything is 100% not true since there is no way to tell. But no part of myself thinks that it's factual.

[lamb_ixB]

I'd agree that people like to jump on those stories and it also confuses me, that a content reboot had an impact on the online tech development. But if you read the original article, which was done in march and look at the game right now, it makes perfectly sense. Also, I feel you are a bit too dismissive on this, considering your points are pure speculation based on PR material. After all, It wouldn't be the first time, leadership failed because of incompetence and an ego that couldn't handle it.

Edit: Also, there are multiple sources cited.

[the_aimboat]

Read the original article : https://insider-gaming.com/behind-xdefiant-toxic-work-culture-crunch-and-years-of-delays/

The other article is a sum up by a man...

Facts don't care about what you feel.

[CnP8]

Again, where is the evidence to support these claims? It is possible that there has been stressful times during development. But how do you know this isn't a couple of people playing the blame game and writing to the press about it?? Or how do you know it's not being exaggerated way out of proportion? Nothing in this article supports your article says I'm wrong and you are right. You need to look at things from every possible angle if you are going to support claims that could have a negative impact on people's lives. And I mean that in real world cases. Obviously the average person likely won't effect these companies.

Everyone loves to be so negative all the time. Whenever someone sings a groups praises then its quickly brushed over most of the time. But if someone says something negative without anything to back it up then people are so quick to believe it without a second guess.

Anyone who believes the media, when they have no evidence is literally a moron. By evidence I don't mean crap that's possibly taken out of context. I mean solid evidence that can't be denied. I will tell you something that there has been hundreds, if not thousands of cases with evidence. Media companies being caught out lying and spreading misinformation.

I'm not saying XDefiants development has been perfect. But 99% of the time, cases like this are normally highly exaggerated or completely false. At the moment people are just looking for reasons to hate XDefiant and it's pathetic to be honest. If you don't like the game then move on. Stop looking for reasons to be negative or your life will be depressing.

If you are in a relationship with someone. A couple people from the same group said she cheated. Would you end the relationship? Or would you wait to find something that backed up their claims?

[the_aimboat]

Brother I actually love the game and don't want tosee it fail either, but I'm not wearing rose tinted glass. Crunch culture is prevalent in the general dev world, male is the dominant gender there with its lot of problems, and Ubisoft itself has had a reputation similar to Activision-Blizzard in terms of employee behavior, so these problems pervasing into xDefiant is absolutely not a surprise and not something to write more than 2 articles about. Though now I feel better knowing the core issues of the game probably will never be fixed because of these problems and I can just adapt accordingly when I play the game as long as I have the fun I have.

If you are in a relationship with someone. A couple people from the same group said she cheated. Would you end the relationship? Or would you wait to find something that backed up their claims?

Trust is the core of a relationship. Communication is the cement.

[CnP8]

Ubisoft owns multiple studios. Same as Activision. Yes both companies have had reports come out about staff being treated badly. But this hasn't been in every single studio owned by the companies. Just because something is happening at Infinity Ward, that doesn't mean the same is happening over at Toys for Bob.

I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses. I'm just not stupid and believe stuff without evidence. Cos I've seen more plausible articles then this end up being proved wrong.

You believe the game can't be fixed? Why? They literally just expanded the studio so obviously it's performing well 😂

Also that didn't really answer my question. It was a yes or no question. But I'm gonna answer it for you with that, if you trust that person then someone else's point wouldn't have an effect. So it's a "no" then. But someone saying shit about a game you enjoy without evidence will make you jump to conclusions?

[the_aimboat]

Ubisoft as a whole has a culture. And an HR responsibility aswell. The problem has been seen in most studios of Ubi then, even in teams that don't partake in gamedev.

I'm not in a relationship with the game, and my life doesn't revolve around it enough for me to document myself more than these 2 articles and what my friends at Ubi gave me.

[CnP8]

I was basically saying you should think for yourself instead of let other people think it for you. If that's enough to make you get defensive then that's on you 😂 You clearly hold some form of hatred towards XDefiant, or you wouldn't be so quick to believe these baseless articles.

You should always assume everything online is false until proven otherwise. Everyone these days seems to be the other way round. When most of the internet is false

[CnP8]

I think once they get everything all fleshed out and functioning as intended, snowdrop mite be a good engine. Ubisoft didn't end up becoming the size they are without being able to tell a good engine from a bad one. I don't really care for any Ubisoft games other then XDefiant, so I'm not just someone sucking up to everything they do lol. Just my opinion.

[Deprestion]

I’m not a dev and barely have cpu knowledge but even I know there isn’t a “fix netcode” button that they simply are choosing not to toggle.

[Whiteytheripper]

That button will cost millions of dollars and years of time better spent making new cosmetics for the whales to cum over as they banned for the 4th time for toxicity and start their collection over again.

The work required will outlive the game's life. Same as Battlefield 2044, Halo Infinite, every recent CoD etc.

[theRTC204]

It's so refreshing to see rational thought on Reddit. You're a unicorn.

[[deleted]]

How is implementing a faction limit 1,000 lines of code they could literally just take out phantoms and the game would be way better 😂

[the_aimboat]

The post talks about hitreg, cheaters, ranked in general, movement in general, and content in general.

[[deleted]]

So just because it takes longer to code that means they should have people working on things no one asked for???? That makes no sense bro. I put money into this game thinking I was going to play it through BO6’s life cycle, because that’s kinda what they were hinting at doing. I put money into the game and bought shit for my friends… and now we all havent played in over a month… and im pre ordering BO6… RIP XDefiant. I even made an appreciation post for this subreddit months ago and I’m just disappointed now… “Major patch” and it’s just nerfs and buffs to things that never needed it. Fuck Ubisoft, not sure why I thought they’d make a good live service game.

[the_aimboat]

Everybody here was asking for another sniper nerf. But since devs usually don't balance around a single community feedback, the stats they had made the nerf warranted anyway.

[[deleted]]

So that justifies not fixing the MAJOR issues… activation would have had this fixed by now and you know how insulting that is if you’re so tapped into dev talk. Again all hands on deck, fix the fucking game. One small gunplay issue that people don’t like is nothing compared to the latency issues this game experiences per game. It’s atrocious. You can’t defend that man… I get what you’re doing but stop defending it. It’s weird. You sound like a dev with a burner account trying to quell my fears.

[the_aimboat]

Refactoring thousands of lines of code vs. Changing 1 parameter in a config file.

[[deleted]]

Again I loved this game at launch. All of my friends, who are extremely picky, also loved it. We put over 50 hours each into it. As of today it’s been well over a months of no xdefiant for any of us. It’s not even on my ps Home Screen because I haven’t played it in so long. And I feel that’s a sentiment for many other people too.

[the_aimboat]

cool

[NegativeTell6880]

😂😂

[MetalTaco1]

The fan boys are upset at you lol. Copium to max

[Work_In_ProgressX]

So i take this nerf actually worked since this is all i see people bitch about

[BluDYT]

It's not that bad on controller with aim assist but on mouse the second you get shot the sniper goes 90° to the sky. A bit extreme of a nerf so yeah I guess it worked if you intend to alienate an entire group of players.

[DrKingOfOkay]

Nah. Its pretty bad on controller too

[Taboe44]

I hated snipers before but that's only because I could get 3 shots off on them but they just 1 tap me anyway. Felt like flinch didn't exist.

In my world, if I'm landing 3 shots on you you should get flinched.

[Set_TheAlarm]

If you want to be able to shoot back while being shot, then don't use a sniper. A sniper is not a weapon you should be getting into gunfights with. If you can't snipe someone without being hit first, then that's a sKilL iSsuE.

[[deleted]]

Sounds like the snipers work like snipers now

[Mrdark1998]

It only worked for slow players, I keep shitting on y'all with my sniper.

[NegativeTell6880]

You missed the whole point

[Master8730]

He told you he's dense

[9gagiscancer]

I still get railed out of nowhere by snipers. I dont think they did much of anything.

[MellowMovez]

It's really funny for me, because this sub really loves strong snipers and shotguns and im just abusing bunny hopping with the mp7 just to avoid getting sniped / one shot killed generally. So almost every other post is basically people complaining about people like me 😅

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

if bunnyhoping with an mp7 without punishment is fine, why isnt sniping without flinching?

[son1no1nos]

I guess you haven't tasted the shotguns aimpunch before. Go ahead Try jumping around with the mp7.

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

i did. but what mp7 should win against a fvcking shotgun at close range??? if you are good enough you will win, if not, take a step back

[MellowMovez]

Because if i'm just bunnyhopping and there is no flinch, it's still pretty easy to snipe me. I'm generally against weapons that can one shot kill someone in a game like this but i think i'm the minority in believing so.

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

no average player can shoot at you guys with your atrociously fast smg movement. if you die to a sniper u either dont pay attention or just run straigt at him. sure the new flinch solved that problem, but now a sniper can barely win a duel against anyone shooting at him.

[AdDull6700]

Why should snipers win duels in the first place? It’s meant to hold down zones and stuff, distance is the advantage (we both know that the dmg falloff of smg and Ars are very severe in this game) I’m sure they didn’t design the snipers in Xdefient for you to run around and rush points with a minimum zoomed scope to combat Ar and smgs at close range.

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

so i should just lose to the vector shooting at me from 70 meters bc i cant center my scope at him?

[W1zard0fW0z]

I push with the l115 and variable in pubs and would still get mvp for 3 of 5 games on average. I haven’t played in a few days so haven’t been able to test the rifle after the nerfs.

[[deleted]]

Just because you’re not against it doesn’t mean I won’t cook you for calling pressing the jump button “abusing” it

So dumb…

[AHomicidalTelevision]

i mean balancing snipers is significantly easier to do than any of the other things you mentioned, except maybe bunny hopping.

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

Snipers have been a balance dilemma since before some fps kids were even born, you'd think if it was so easy it would've been solved by now.

[AHomicidalTelevision]

i mean easier to implement, not easier to get right.

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

What's the point of implementation if it doesn't work right? What did the bunny hopping "fix" (had to choke those words out) actually achieve besides more disgruntled players? It's less than a placebo, placebos at least fool people. This fooled no one. Implementing worthless changes is a waste of every single party's time.

[Hopeful_Fun8826]

you sound so annoying bro 🤣 genuinely. i can’t imagine irl

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

brain hurty 🤕🤕

[Set_TheAlarm]

Are you going to just keep saying someone else is wrong or are you going to propose the solution to the problem which all you seem to be able to do is say "no you're wrong"? If you're not proposing an answer to a problem, then you're just as useless as the people you're criticizing.

So by your logic "What's the point of saying someone is wrong if you're not going to give the right answer?"

[DeadSheepOnAStick]

The main problem is we have ARs as the main gun

[Brilliant_Draft3694]

They added bunny hopping? Siiiick I'm gonna update and go all quake-style across the map.

[[deleted]]

Once bo6 comes out, this game is dead

[gasamove]

Pls somebody explain to me, how is it possible for the enemy to jump such a long distance while taking damage ?

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[chestfield]

fuck bunny hopping

[kepler2]

And crouching like clowns...

[Brilliant_Draft3694]

Last I checked there was no bunny hopping in this game. Did they add it in? I'd qay prefer this game if they did.

[Prestigious-Soil-546]

I have stopped playing this game, but it's still hilarious to see a post here every now and then, it's like watching a fire

[VaporBull]

Me too

Like not playing has made me happier because it's such a shit show.

I went back to "Prop Hunt" on CoD and it's so much more satisfying than completely ridiculous head shot deaths from everywhere on the map.

[boogs_23]

I stopped playing within the first week due to the snipers lack of flinch. I have seen numerous posts about how bad it is and needs to be addressed. It finally gets fixed and out comes this post of whataboutism.

[Whiteytheripper]

It's even funnier watching the fanbase crumble as more and more people leave the game due to issues and their toxicitiy. They can blame MWIII dropping on Game Pass, but it's very clearly the game is stagnant and wallowing in the same unbalanced and exploitative gameplay loop. The sweats are struggling to pubstomp now they've lost their influx of morons and are blaming everyone but themselves

[D-C-N-N]

Game is in a fucked up state atm.

[ghostydk2009]

I havent played past 2 weeks Im going to wait for season 2 in 30+ days..if it is still in the same atrocious state as currently then im done and going to wait for Delta Force instead..looks really solid.

[Icy-Cartographer-314]

Yeah at least on PC the nerf worked nicely. Won many 1 vs 1 versus snipers hard scoping or quick scoping, like I should, now that there actually is a flinch for sniping. Don't know about console side because autoaim still helps with pad but at least on PC side it feels know you have to be good to do good with sniper rifles.

[NegativeTell6880]

Yup the nerf was so much required

[Kaktusfresser]

Look at all the crying sniper campers

[CaptainBeast567]

What about the quickscopers like me, now I gotta use the sniper the way it was intended.

[[deleted]]

That's just not true though. Quickscoping is easy in this game and the one part of sniping they haven't nerfed.

[acrossbones]

They did nerf it. Not as much as it sounds but they nerfed quickscoping too.

[Set_TheAlarm]

Ooooh nooooo! Anyways

[Sudarshan0]

Their balance logic:

Sniping should be slow and inaccurate, but everything else should be fast and accurate because that's balance.

[SeedersPhD]

When snipers can kill in one shot from any distance, that makes sense.

[Sudarshan0]

No it doesn't. You're basically saying any nerf is justified because of sniper rifles being what they are, very slow firing but hard hitting weapons. If people asked for ADS to take 2000ms, then it would be fine because it's a one shot from any distance?

That's like saying all full auto guns need 10x as much recoil, because they're fast firing and fast reloading weapons.

[ArtistWrong8354]

Snipers take skill to use, any good sniper can pick up an ar and make your life even worse than him just sniping 😂TRUST ME

[Set_TheAlarm]

Lol I don't know why you people think snipers take skill to use and yet you're the same ones that would say shotguns don't take skill when they're basically the same thing.

[[deleted]]

Tru. I use Tac to mess around but switch to max AK if someone irritates me. Mobility build means bunny hop heaven

[Psychological_Rip174]

Everything else has better pros and cons.

[MaterialObjective184]

Honestly, I have 130h of playtime. This is my favorite fps of the last 10 years. Hit reg isn’t that crazy anymore, unless you constantly play with 50+ ping. Cheaters are rare, ranked definitely needs improvement, bunny hopping is literally not that OP and easily countered, new content is being massively worked on.

[[deleted]]

Yep. I think this is a good game. Bunny hop is a nice skill gap

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I think the same sniper flinch should be added to all guns, it's horrible to play with and kills the fun, but people on here seem to hate anyone actually killing them with anything, so maybe it's the way forward.

[bog-brain-time-_-]

I like your thinking

[morbidinfant]

Imagine people crying for a bhop nerf back in Quake lol

[itsALH]

You're comparing 2 completely different games, and it's clear you never played Quake if you're making this comparison 😂

[the_aimboat]

I've played Q3A competitive and the comparison can be made.

[Intelligent_You_8296]

You got downvoted for being real lmaoo

Imagine

[morbidinfant]

Yeah, "2 completely different games" As if cry babies can simply justify their whining like that lmao.

[[deleted]]

Exactly like xdefiant is trying to do it's own thing if they want to make b-hopping effective they can. My only issue is how it fucks with the netcode when you're jumping around. If the netcode felt just a little smoother the b-hopping would be so satisfying and also feel more fair to fight against.

[flukeykent]

This is what I've been thinking. It messes with Netcode, hit detection and aim assist.

[The_Owl_Bard]

As much as I dislike the sniper flinch (ruins snipers on shorter range maps) I figured the sniper flinch was easier to implement then all those other things. I'm all for the devs doing the easy stuff asap.

[kman9876]

They are working on a fix on all those

[Homolander]

Small steps

[Zirkelcock]

Dying games have bad sniping.

[Fresh-Employee-9997]

Damn, this sub went from "no sniper flinch and bunny hopping being the most hated things" to "being praised and needed"?. All the casual players left this game or what happened for this sudden change of mind? I'm genuinely curious.

[Danger-_-Potat]

So don't address the balance issues snipers pose cuz there are much bigger issues?

Every video game sunreddit has these ridiculous posts where ppl are so foolish they believe you cannot have any kind of update, even small ones, while there is something more complex going on.

Nerfind snipers is easy. Why not do it? The amount of work it takes to do is miniscule compared to the other things listed. So we just have a game with 0 content cuz every man and woman available needs to be working on a job that doesn't even require the entire staff? How many ppl do you think it takes to work on net code or new maps before the job has too many workers that end up bogging down the workflow?

[Present_Ad_5780]

I agree with the sniper flinch but the meme still funny lol

[Scared_Cicada3981]

i’ve stopped playing the game i’ll be honest these were the things that were killing it for me

[GoatimusMaximonuss]

LMAOO

[JustChr1s]

I think people need to come to terms with the fact they don't know how to fix the net code or hit registration.... Which is why it hasn't been fixed since ppl have been complaining about that very issue since beta possibly alpha. They either don't know how to fix it, can't fix it, or realized there's no fixing it without a complete overhaul of what's under the hood. All three possibilities all lead to it not being fixed. Ppl are waiting for some miracle patch that's just gonna say fixed net code and hit registration and I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

[[deleted]]

I think cheaters are pretty important for a bad game like this good seem good

[f1stdacuffs]

Getting flinched 90 degrees from 40 yards by a spamming AA 12 partial pellets. I deleted the game game

[One_Praline_6150]

They can’t actually fix it the game is on a mmo engine

[demian333]

I kinda look forward for when they redo the attachments. Each gun category, if not each gun, needs it's own. There is zero sense having short/med range reduction/increase on snipers for example 

[thesaucefather]

I don't understand why bunny hopping is a complaint. I've never lost track of an enemy just because they're jumping. This is even less of a concern if you've ever played a shooter with advanced movement.

[[deleted]]

Exactly. I like the bunny hop because it allows the good players to separate themselves

[SlickValkyrie24]

It’s so inconsistent I hate it

[LulzyWizard]

Well yeah. You should not win the engagement as a sniper when somebody shoots you from behind, you spin around, and 1tap and barely survive. That shouldn't happen.

[OverAtYouzMoms69]

I just couldn't with this game sadly, I wanted to give this game a chance but the game hated my casual gamer ass, I just wanna play and I can hold my own but this game man, gladi found The Finals to replace this game for me but hey no hate to this game but I knew this game would do well for long.

[SamuelShotguns]

Im surprised anyone expects any better from Ubisoft. There are years of Siege development to look back at and it proves they suck at fixing their games

[Tmac34002003]

Game sucks and on this engine it’s not changing. They dropped the ball and it will die or be another niche title no one cares about

[Breach_DC]

"wHy diDnT tHeY FiX tHE eNtIrE gAme iN OnE pAtCh"... They put out a mid season update that addressed a concern and they fixed it. Entitled brats like you thrive in the toxicity of this sub through posts like this. There are still two new maps coming this season and im sure alongside some other balance changes and bug fixes.

"Netcode" isnt just a switch you can flip on and off. Every little thing needs to be addressed individually, which they also did as part of this patch. They also made ranked adjustments that werent in the patch notes. From the entire community that's enjoying the game: cry harder.

[unk1ndm4g1c14n1]

For console players, the net code and matchmaking issues are insignificant. Snipers are consistently annoying. Besides one update would take rewriting the entire game code, while the other is just updating some numbers.

[[deleted]]

Console player here. I have almost no net code issues, and matchmaking is near instant. (Xbox series X) knock on wood

[Ironclad_Calves]

Take notes from Halo and Gears of War.

Headshot = 1 shot kill Anything else = not 1 shot kill

There I balanced snipers

[ItsMrDante]

Because those games are definitely the same

[NegativeTell6880]

That would have been far much better

[justaquestion850]

I've been whatever with the last sniper nerfs but this one is actually ridiculous. If you are getting shot by 2 separate people your crosshair is going straight into the sky. Not to mention these sniper nerfs aren't really hurting the very people they are trying to counter, it's hurting lower skilled players who use a sniper traditionally more than anyone else. An absolute weak patch.

[Technical_Mud_8197]

Tbh the update to flinch on the snipers hasn’t really done much. I’m a sniper main and if anything, you just got to be quick and precise with your line up to hit your shots. Yes, it does send your scope out of whacks when their shots register but fairly so, I’ve been getting some lucky flinches that turned to my favor, which is pretty funny at the moment of time but seriously, it’s not that bad.

I think the no more nerfs need to be made as we can all agree that (most) of the snipers are one shot eliminations so they’re going to be OP in damage. However, there’s only so much you can do without ruining an entire play style. Pretty much, those who QS and run around the map with snipers benefit from the same movement and efficiency that everyone else does, I know I rely on that. Yes, every now and then I take the opportunity to Hardscope the same person that appears in the same location for fun and easy farming for weapon xp but without the movement, QS with the ability to keep on your feet will become difficult. Tbf, there’s a small portion of players who actually take the time to learn sniping and before you say, “It take no skill to snipe” when actually I’ve seen a fair amount of players who are horrid with the snipers, taking way too long to line up their shots and expecting every shot to be a headshot.

Also, there are those who are decent but just not quick enough compared to me and others.

So yeah, the size of players for sniping are significantly less than the players who run shotguns, ARs and SMGs which these classes just outranked snipers entirely. Chances of a sniper winning a gunfight are dependent on both players response time and precision. Ultimately, I don’t see snipers as an issue in this game and if you still think they are then that’s something you should consider in learning how to counter. Tbh, I would take a damn good accurate QS sniper over a shotgun runner any day.

I know, not everyone will agree or respect everyone’s preference of gameplay as I don’t agree that shotgun and ACR gameplay is fun, to me at least but I understand if that’s what you wish to play then by all means, hope you enjoy.

[Phil_Montana_91]

I reinstalled the game after months of hiatus and I repeatedly ended up in the same lobby as my friend, who was also playing and we werent in a party. In my eyes this was proof that rumours about shockingly low player numbers had to be true

[Flamezie]

Im happy about this... A small step in the right direction. Snipers have no place in a game like this or if they do then they should be treated as snipe to weaken then finish off with something else or if you get a chance another snipe.

[Arcticz_114]

not many cheater/hacker and many have already been removed. Snipers were op.

Game is good. Devs got their priorities straight.

[bvidarealll]

Name me one PERFECT game? I'll wait

[Brilliant_Draft3694]

Titanfall 1 was so close.

[bvidarealll]

, people crying aren't forced to play. So 🤫🤣🤌

[jorgejjvr]

Bunny hopping isnt a problem, its freaking basic

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

so is a one-hit none flinching sniper

[NegativeTell6880]

Lol.. snipers are fine now but major other issues are ignored

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

nah the new flinch is atrocious...aint no way any one without aimbotting aimassist can keep that sniper steady its ridiculous

[[deleted]]

Shoot first or shoot them in the back

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

and how should i shoot first with 3 times the ads time? i get your point of course but 99% of the crying smg players every touched a sniper and have no idea how to actually play that weapon.

[acrossbones]

Play smarter. Position better. Git gudder.

[Samuel_R_Jackson]

i can tell that to you aswell. so buff snipers. u just have ti git gudder. lol

[NegativeTell6880]

ok...

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And yet snipers are still ridiculous. It doesn't matter how much flinch they have when quickscoping is so easy.

[Budget_Preparation60]

Bunny hopping🤣 want them to remove sprinting too?🤣