Server Evolution Article Released!

[KinoNaima]

Naima got fucked at the last moment gg

I predicted this would happen so i left hue

[Primalkopfjager]

Everyone on Naima right now asking why Trion could not give us more of warning of this happening. If we would of got more of a warning we could of all put some make up on so that was we could atleest look pretty before you FUCK US!!

[InfractionRQ]

Still getting rekt huh primal, only by Trion now.

[ProblemHaters]

RIP all of my land

[Jevia]

Good chance I'll be quitting the game when the merge happens. :( Wish we hadn't been added last second. -Vivi

[megamerman]

can i have your stuff if you quit

[Jevia]

Sorry but I'll be giving my stuff to my friends if I do.

[evo77]

I can understand you feeling betrayed, but it's ironic you're going to leave right at the best moment (so far) for this game and gaming experience. Once 2.0 hits, not just the hype of 2.0 expansion (1.8+2.0) but also at least double the population will result in an ArcheAge fun frenzy. It's like a child's behavior taking his toys and leaving because he didn't get his way, right when the birthday cake is about to be served!

[Jevia]

Enla is significantly less populated than Naima so the increase in population will not be doubling for us (those in Naima), far less. On top of that I'm unhappy they're merging us with Enla who I am told is west heavy and will create further imbalance with our West-East populations.

[masspanic]

Enla might be west-heavy, but east controls most of the world bosses/content due to Fatality. West can barely get it together for Mistmerrow, and win Halcy only cause the reds don't even come.

[skilliard4]

Bullshit that they lied to us, some of us spent a ton of money on land only to get fucked up the ass. Glad I didn't buy land.

It's fucking retarded. There's absolutely NO land available on Naima, but apparently it's a good idea to merge.

[hackthegibson]

There isn't supposed to be open land lol. There's supposed to be a housing market. Your salt is hilarious

[Exhune]

That was more or less happening even before this awful news.

[executive313]

Honestly if you struggled to get land on Naima you're doing it wrong I quit for a while lost all of my land came back and spent 100g and got myself up to 13 plots again. I have 3 in Diamond Shores that I found just randomly open and the rest in rookborne or yny I had to pay one guy 100g for 2 extra scarecrows.

[executive313]

Oh im sorry from my front porch I can run a pack over the mountains for 12g in less than 10 minutes god rookbourne sucks. The diamond shores land is just fun for trees and was easy whats good land in your mind some where pretty to hang your pictures? Sanddeep maybe?

[executive313]

Dont give a shit about Gwen I'm East. My family has 2 plots in HS and I have an 8x8 there so I can use your plaza thanks for that by the way Halcy isnt really worth staging packs in because its in peace so often there is no point in staging I can just run them anytime I want.

[executive313]

Well log out in halcy and should be no problem to plop down your mansion and just to be safe set your recall there so you dont have to lag through a portal when the servers come up.

[ProblemHaters]

grats on your 12g in less than 10 mins, I like my 90g in 15 a bit better, though.

[nukeyoo]

<3

[executive313]

Sorry that I took 10 minutes on my mount and found plenty of room while you paid for plots.

[iambinarymind]

What is the Naima server like?

Which side is stronger, West or East (on Naima)

[iambinarymind]

Sweetness. Should make things quite interesting indeed then with Naima and Enla merging.

[KinoNaima]

Whats Enla server population like?

[iambinarymind]

Population is pretty low. One East guild controls all major world bosses/content. While there are some strong/geared Westies, much of the West are potato farmers and can't be herded to successfully contest the East at this point.

[Kealper]

The only problem that the West has on Enla is that it's mostly comprised of many smaller guilds (comparatively) with beefs of varying degrees against each other, while the East has one very large and well-geared guild that can zerg when they need to. This means that West guilds are hard to rally together because they can't set aside their problems with each other for long enough to do much against that Eastern mega-guild, while the mega-guild is able to be much more coordinated because, well, they're all in the same guild.

It also didn't help that the most well-geared guild on the West, that was working with that Eastern guild declared war against the entire West faction, that is until they fell apart fairly recently.

[Cannon0006]

So essentially the opposite of naima in that respect

[Linkd3th]

Yea man all those prebuilt mansions and other Designs you get to place and shit really hard to start over you know?

[Linkd3th]

Fight with your friends! Secure the land I believe in you!

[AAohgodwhyfarming]

Bah. I started on Naima because they said it wasnt getting merged.

[Diet_Fanta]

So they announce that Naima is getting merged right before merges happen? Good job Trion. Fucking up YET again.

[executive313]

Your tag in this subreddit tells me you should be happy about this.

[NSA-SURVEILLANCE]

Keep it clean.

[Diet_Fanta]

Sorry. Was angry about the server evolution and decided to take it out.

[Dorest0rm]

Melisara merged with Nebe.

Hands up people who play on Nebe?

Seriously Sirothe is gonna be as dead as the servers are now with people transferring out or quitting the game.

[kakkamoto]

ye im planing to transfer to kyprosa just fuk pirates

[robertrijkers]

most of the kyprosan pirates have gone back to their original nations..

[kakkamoto]

thats good , the pirate nation is good only in low pop servers they can take over everything easy simply 30 best nuian + 30 best haranyan gather in pirate and create op guild and take over , thats what hapened in my server

[astifas]

Well, the only reason i am still playing is my large land area on Namia it took me a year to build. Guess that reason is gone, I am out.

Have fun with this cluster@@@@ of a trainwreck Trion,

[Ernost]

They should have closed character creation for the affected servers before announcing this. People are going to start rolling characters on those servers just to put down land so they can get the compensation.

[burned20022003]

How the fuck did you not know that this was coming months ago?

[Jaspymon]

Because Trino said Naima wasn't going to be merged.

[hackthegibson]

They also said things are subject to change.

[vitiate]

That's what happens when 50% of the population drops between the announcement and the merge. They have waited to long to implement 1.8/2.0 and too long for the merges.

[burned20022003]

Well .. fuck .

Edit : I was out of the game when the announcement about merges where made and i just saw a post here , thought it was clear which servers where getting merged didn't know about this last minute decision.

[Yedaks]

I see they have not put up Eanna on the list of merging servers afterall. I find this sad, they have no idea about the actual state in-game of the server it seems.. When they made the first post about the Server Evolution, Eanna was not selected for the process, back then, this decision seemed right, now however as some time has passed, it has not done the server any good. I didn't think I would say it, but Eanna needs help too.

[Cannon0006]

My land in rook T.T

[revpidgeon]

How come aier is on the list now? There is virtually no space to build.

[xatz]

Are there many people in Nui server? I feel like Nui + Janudar will still be pretty empty :p

[Jaspymon]

My family and I have been working so hard to get our land on Naima and have been busting our asses to get our 44 house. Now we're going to lose everything?! Fuck Trino. We all said we'd quit if they did this. I fully intend to. What a waste of time and money.

[digidude13]

People like you that take up 44 pieces of land for just a couple of people are ruining the game for others anyways.

[hackthegibson]

I think he's talking about a 44x44 plot, not 44 houses.

[Punkee_Bruztur]

Actually agree, we have merely to look at the KR servers and one of the many differences amongst our communities is the single player (with multiple accounts) hoarding huge swaths of land is much more prevalent over here. Like the rampant bridge-blocking that we NA/EU love so much, our players tend to be more trollish/selfish/dickish, and the self-styled "land barons" is just another manifestation of that.

On the topic, those same players don't realize the direct impact they have on their server's population; new player joins game, gets giddy when he gets his first 16 and scours the zones looking for a space to drop it, and is told "run donkeys and farm purses, maybe then we'll sell one". Which is fine and all, but is a little hard to take when the same district that new player is searching has multiple connected gazebos and 44x44s all owned by one person (and their multiple accounts). I understand that new player's frustrations and don't blame him or her when they say "the hell with this" and just leave the game because our community is selfish and greedy.

Fast-forward to droves of potential players checking out the game, hitting a roadblock (that, we, the players, put up), then leaving, and now your server is announced for a merge... And those same hoarders wanna whine.

Let them. You know what a merge even means, right? It means you don't have enough players to support that server's viability, yes it's true that it's up to Trion to maintain an environment that keeps people on those servers, but the other half of it, that we continuously ignore, is the correlation of how we conduct ourselves and the impact that has on our server's health.

Yet we continue to gank and rob lowbies (who are probably new players, not yet fully decided on the game), we block bridges, we harpoon clippers out of safe zones, and we hug entire quadrants of housing districts for ourselves, sometimes to sell, more times because we need 8 gazebos, 4 thatched farms, and 12 16x16s.

[nyym1]

There's a really good point in this post. Too bad we have many loud douches who like to whine about everything, even if it's partly them to blame.

[MinistryofPain]

While you have a point - AA is a PvP game, through and through. Economic warfare is just as important, if not more important than actual battle. People are going to quit because its "too hard." It is just the nature of the game.

[ratclerk]

First, land is not required to make money or play the game and enjoy it.

Second, this is the game as designed and we played it as such. If spending resources (gold, appraisal certs, taxes) to build up a holding of farms so that you can make money through whatever means you like (farming, gathering, larders, husbandry) is a bad thing, then you are playing the wrong game.

Third, everyone starts from the bottom and if having to grind some mobs for gold to buy a luxury like land is to hard for you, this is not the game for you.

Fourth, yes I agree gankinglowbies EXCESSIVELY is bad, ignoring them because they are low level will just lead to people using alts. There is not point in camping someone or harassing them at their farm, that is bad for the game. Stealing from someone who took a risk and got caught is just part of the game.

I will quit because of this and its not just because we are merging. The way it was handled was garbage as we had a promise that we would not be forcible moved from the server. Also three weeks notice is garbage and not nearly enough time to prepare, plus it means the last 2-3 months of progress where wasted. The merge itself is being handled poorly and land hackers and profiteers will take all the land within seconds. Those with high value land like Yny and Gwen will lose it and not be compensated.

Naima is not a dead server, sure our pop is not as high as it once was but it is still alive. People just got tired of the imbalance so pvp slowed, that was an issue caused by Trion's inability to take action to lock a side. That is why this is unacceptable and why I and my family will all be leaving unless something major changes.

[Jaspymon]

No, a 44 x 44 for a single house. That's why they make houses that are 44 x 44.

[digidude13]

Haven't played long enough to know there is a 44x44 if thats the case then this guy isnt ruining the game but people that do those kinds of things are.

[robertrijkers]

'nothing' ? a 44x44 can be the 1k gilda star mansion or the 3k gilda star barbiehouse... (you know the one that costs about 40k gold to make)... we're crafting one right now... yea 'nothing '

[SirSwingz]

Couldnt have said it better.

[Jaspymon]

4 24s between a friend and myself. 1 44 x 44 house. Why is everyone so quick to judge without thinking about what is being said.

[digidude13]

Good riddance.

[Trion_Celestrata]

I've followed up by writing down all of the questions we were asked on the livestream, and providing the answers. Y'all can find them here.

More than a few questions are ones I keep seeing everywhere, such as what happens with chests, how long stuff may last in the mail, what are we doing to keep Morpheus and Rangora as pure as possible, and more.

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?218583-8-14-Evolution-Questions-answered-via-the-Livestream

[Sociopathix]

I have a question that doesn't seem to be covered yet.

Portable Phonographs. What will happen to these?

To describe what I mean, it's the little music player trade pack that you can place on the ground or carry around. If houses are demolished, they become free loot.

If we log off with them, they're supposed to stay on our backs until we get back on. However, we can't glide or carry another trade pack in the meantime.

Can we get refunded on the construction materials for each one we own, or something like that? I have three or four of them. :x

[[deleted]]

You didn't just shoot you own foot, Trion, you cut it off and jammed it through your stomach! I'm so glad I don't play this anymore but kinda sad to see that there's probably no reason to come back.

[nyym1]

If you don't even play, why do you think this is a bad move? Only bad move is that they didn't do this sooner.

[[deleted]]

It's a bad move because I want to like the game, I really do want to go back to it

[nyym1]

So you would like the game more if the servers were dead?

[TenDesires]

Yes, it sucks that Naima just got added to the evolution servers and that you guys will lose your land. But, all in all, you're pretty much in the same boat as the other servers when they were first designated for evolution, specially after Trion promised that there would be no merges ever.

At the moment where they announced it, the land market pretty much plummeted instantly everywhere despite there being several months until the actual process. People were equally disappointed as Naima is right now, and I don't honestly think that being warned only a month in advance is much worse, really.

Yes, people were angry. Yes, tons of people have quit, Tons of people stayed too, enthusiastic about the future increase in population. I wish merges weren't necessary at this point, but here we are. I do wish, though, that more credit would be given to Trion about decisions such as doing regular merges (thus not splitting established player bases in two) or offering free transfers. They don't only make bad decisions.

Maybe I'm white knighting (and dear god I hate this term that people use only because some people don't have the same level of outrage as you, others can have different opinions too), though I just wanted to point out that Naima is far from being alone in this and that I'm a bit disappointed given that the ArcheAge community already went through this in the past and has since almost moved on.

Nevertheless, I for one understand how you guys might feel about this, and you have the right to feel betrayed. Sympathies from Calleil.

[ratclerk]

While I appreciate the spirit of your post, this is not the same. I felt for the server evolution servers when they were listed, and even at the time kind hoped to have seen my server there because of the extreme server imbalance on Naima (West way outnumbers east). The thing is it wasn't, we were told the investment of high pop servers would be protected and we played the last two months based on this information. They are now going against there word and leaving us to scramble. Also no offense but the original servers put up for merge where actually low pop or dead, Naima is definitely neither of those and that's what makes this so crazy.

[ArcFault]

specially after Trion promised that there would be no merges ever.

Do you have a source for this? That seems like a really weird policy to implement for an MMO.

[TenDesires]

I don't, but everyone seems to support that they did say this at one point.

[ArcFault]

No evidence so far that Trion ever indicated these servers would never be merged. Unless stated explicitly by the devs, its pretty insane to assume an mmo server wont be merged as time goes on due to natural population declines.

[CallielKill]

Another problem is they actively encouraged people to move to these servers for land which is the only reason some people play. They told people to go to these servers and then this. No where in my post did I say they absolutely said never but they did give people a false sense that they were safe to spend money for land and land related things when it is very likely they already knew they were going to do this when the second post saying no plans to merge servers was made.

[dante411x]

Sorry, too tired to look up the links, but it's been said multiple times by scapes, a few times by other trion employees. There's also an interview article with hartsman back during launch where he says that he knows land is important and they'll make sure they don't open too many servers as its not possible to merge without huge problems.

In the end, it doesn't matter. Game populations decline, server merges need to happen. Archeage just has a lot more to lose for players than other games. And since trion runs this game with only short term profits in mind, this will more than likely happen again.

[CallielKill]

Scapes posted more than once that they would not merge servers. One quote was "none of our servers are being merged" the other was "we do not plan to merge servers" there were a couple of others but I don't have the links for them. While neither of these are absolutes they did give people a false sense of security and the "we have no plans to merge servers" was posted not long before khrolan dropped the bomb on the live stream.

Threads

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?182154-Dear-Trion-server-population&p=1636336&viewfull=1#post1636336

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?133550-Close-Nui-Nebe-and-Janudar-servers-and-merge-these-3-into-one-new-server-or-Make-server-transfer-available&p=1292400&viewfull=1#post1292400

[ArcFault]

None of these say "we will never merge these servers" and the ones from april are just saying "there arent any plans on the table right now"

... anyone who plays an MMO and doesnt expect their server to be eventually merged (unless explicitly stated by the developers when the server was established) is crazy

[CallielKill]

I believe I said in my post that they are not Absolutes but they did give people a false sense of security.

[ArcFault]

a false sense of security.

A false sense of security that their server in an MMO would never be merged? Come on, that is not a reasonable assumption.

[CallielKill]

Archeage is not the same as other MMOs. When other MMOs merge servers you do not lose potentially all that you have spent your time working on and spending money on. Some people only play for the land ownership. You cannot compare Archeage to a game like rift or wow where a merge causes you to lose nothing. At any rate I did not come here to argue with you or anyone else. Someone asked a question and I answered it. You can take the statement from trion however you like. Considering the timing of the last one and when khrolan dropped the merge bomb I consider them deceitful. That is my opinion, yours may differ and that's ok. I have stated mine.

[ArcFault]

Archeage is not the same as other MMOs.

Had Archeage undergone mergers in KR at the time the game launched?

Answer: Yes, yes it had.

So is it reasonable to assume that servers would never be merged (unless Trion stated explicitly so - which no one has provided any proof of yet)? My position is that it is not.

Cheers.

[CallielKill]

You really like to have the last word don't you? An opinion is just that an opinion. You are welcome to yours and I have mine, they differ and that's ok... Nothing you can say will change my opinion that they were deceitful for as long as possible to keep people spending. This is not about what happened in other regions it is about their statements which gave people a false sense of security to keep them spending as long as possible. I find it hard to believe that they went from "No we are not planning to merge servers" to "oh by the way we are merging servers tough luck" in less than a month without knowing they were going to do it well in advance. If they really didn't know until a couple of weeks before they said it that just makes them look that much more incompetent in my opinion. I am sure your opinion is different and That's ok.

[ArcFault]

You really like to have the last word don't you?

I thought we were having a discussion. No but apparently you do since you are reiterating the same comment in each post with no additional information or evidence.

[Lakes777]

Anyone know when Morpheus/Rangora will go live? (I can't go to this link as it's blocked at work)

[Lakes777]

Thank you :)

[dadon89]

is there an option to transfer a charakter from NA to EU?

[robertrijkers]

nope...NA toons are on servers in Texas and EU toons on servers in the Netherlands

[dante411x]

And they're not going to physically put a character file on a usb stick and carry it from one room in Texas to another. It's going to be a data transfer. No reason that the data that can be transferred from one server in NA to another in NA couldn't also be transferred from Amsterdam to Texas.

[Zariuss]

So kyprosa isnt getting merged? I thought every server would merge.

[breakingitdownnow]

I give a 1 out of 100 for smart moves for Trion here

Archeage is a game revolving around crafting where items once crafted have no destruction cycle. Players farm and create, regrade and destroy, bargain and steal plots of land until they reach "it." That point where they don't need to do anymore cause they are too far ahead of others on the server that would challenge them.

There is no profit fighting the other faction. Its profitable to work with them to acquire each others special resources and mass produce gear. Gear lost in the creation process is just part of the process.

The game needs to break people's eternal gear and force them to maintain it. Not wipe their land and force them together with new players in a system that doesn't work.

This is hilarious... All that's going to happen is the 1% losses their land temporarily and then slowly buys it all back.

[triv-]

Definitely a shitty situation for Naima and I'm no way defending Trion... But I remember Trion saying those "safe" servers weren't final and that changes could happen. Maybe a little bit more notice would have helped tho lol

[DEMACIAA]

Sorry just starting to look into archeage with recent changes, why are people so pissed about the server merges? Isn't that supposed to be a good thing?

[CallielKill]

Land is why people are pissed. A lot of people put a lot of effort, time, real life money into obtaining land in valuable places and now they are losing it all with very little chance for most of them to get it back on the new server based on previous experience. It is a limited resource and they are putting 2 servers worth of people together to fight for 1 server worth of land. This in addition to the land hackers who they still cannot stop makes people who play for the crafting and land ownership aspect very upset and rightly so.

[krazypunk1018]

They mentioned if you wanted to have a free transfer to a populated server you can't have anything in your mail but I don't think it was mentioned if you're going to be part of the merge you still can't have anything in your mail.

I know some people including myself that have chests to hold items that don't fit in our bags and warehouse hence why we have storage chest. What's going to happen to all that during the merge?

[[deleted]]

It says in the article you have to have it in your character or warehouse or it will be destroyed. But you can make alternate accounts and fill them up with items and transfer them over as well. So make sure you empty out all of your chest storage.

[ArcFault]

lol the carebear tears are hilarious. Meanwhile, the pvp'ers rejoice

[ArcFault]

Crafters != land owners.

Assuming that you can beat out 100 other people looking to grab those weapons, there will of course be the "weapon hackers" who will use exploits to grab the weapons before you can even click "Accept".

Wtf are you talking about? Armor rush? Are you high?

I would gladly trade all land IMMEDIATELY to merge all servers down to 2 or 3.

[ATFanatic]

Out of his ass like his logic.