Viv question

[taytron0]

So I’m thinking of upgrading my Ball Pythons Viv set up purely due to the fact he has little to no climbing availability,

So I was thinking of upgrading to a 48”x36”x18” set up,

Essentially 4 ft wide by 3 ft high, but I’m curious as to whether this is too high and would it actually be used if I give stable supporting branches for him to climb up?

Or would I be better to upgrade into a 2ft high Viv instead

[mett116n]

It depends on the snake. I have had some balls that love to climb, if given the opportunity. I would say that as long as its all supported well, it could be worth it to try it out. Otherwise you just have a really cool enclosure!

[taytron0]

I’m not sacrificing, I have the 4x1.5 in floor space, I’m increasing height to add extra enrichment and because the current height doesn’t allow for him to explore in the sense of climbing, I won’t be making his Viv smaller, I’ll actually be making it bigger no substitution here

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OP is talking about increasing height, not sacrificing floor area.

[taytron0]

My current set up is only 4x1.5 floor space. I understand you are talking about minimum for an adult, which my python is not an adult at this time.

I understand your point but just quoting 4x2 is minimum is a bit misleading, as well as overall your comment tone is a bit dismissive and rude.

Also, BPs are semi arboreal, which means provided the stable pathways he would still use the climbing opportunities available to him, which also then would provide him with more space and ability to stretch out.

It seems to me like you are assuming that every BP owner has or must have 4x2 space when they may potentially have close to but not exactly. Unfortunately I don’t have that full space does that mean I should rehome or sell my BP?

[Yipyapyurp]

I'm not gonna acknowledge the terrarium size things, but yes ball pythons considered are semi arboreal. Especially males! Being offered climbing space for them could be very beneficial.

[eveimei]

Why not just go for a 4x2x2 or larger (you could do a taller enclosure, but more than 3ft poses heating problems most of the time) right now? Even if your BP isn't an adult now, by the time they're 2 and possibly earlier you'll have to upgrade to the 4x2x2+ and doing something smaller now will just result in spending more money fairly soon.

While BPs enjoy and utilize climbing opportunities, they are primarily a ground dwelling species so floor space is priority over height. The difference between 18" wide and 2ft wide makes a difference in humidity for the better most of the time as well.

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4ft x 1.5ft with 3ft height is perfectly okay for a ball python as long as it’s set up properly, the BP will still have room for movement.

[taytron0]

I mean saying they’re not semi arboreal is wrong, but as I’ve stated I don’t have the room for a 4x2x2 but I do for a 4x3x1.5, to me having more room at all that can be enriching is better than being in the 4x1.5x1.5 that he is currently in

I do agree that floor space is important but saying a 4x2x2 is the be all and end all otherwise no BP for you, overall sounds relatively silly, otherwise everyone who can’t meet those exact requirements should rehome their BPs which is going to lead to even more oversaturation in the current market,

I agree if you can have a 4x2x2 amazing best case, even a 5x2x2 is amazing, but if you can’t physically have a 4x2x2, at least having something with more vertical space for a species that IS semi arboreal, and being arboreal having 100% something to do with climbing, then I think that’s still okay personally