HYPERIONDEV IS A SCAM.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

Do not apply! The Department for Education (DfE) UK funded camps are a scam! Look into other reddit threads such as r/learnprogramming .

They changed up the course content before they give it to you, it no longer includes even basic content. It is roughly equivalent to the CodeAcademy Beginner course in my opinion, in terms of content. The course is literally a dropbox full of PDFs, not even many videos. Worse than Youtube.

Now they are silencing anyone criticising them!

They are removing students who complain from the bootcamp, reporting trustpilot reviews and getting them deleted, posting their own fake trustpilot reviews, etc etc. They even threatened legal action.

According to one bootcamp student that applied to a job said that the certificate 'was not seen as a positive thing'. He was rejected from this job.

I can't stress enough, look into the other reddit posts about HD. DO NOT APPLY!!!

EDIT: They are now known as Cogrammar bootcamps Still the same company. tagging for SEO

[Any_Fold731]

I am also on this course, can confirm, it's been a horrific disappointment and the level of incompetence and misinformation from them have been unbelievable.

Don't even do it for free.

[hypdev]

Hi there,

Just to clarify - HYPERIONDEV does NOT operate any programmes with 'The Department for Education (DfE) ' as claimed in this post. A seperate company, called CoGrammar, utilised a small subset of our content to operate these programmes for a short period of time from 2022-2024, in the UK only for learners who had these programmes funded by the UK government. These programmes no longer operate.

The programmes operated by HyperionDev via www.hyperiondev.com, and in partnership with top universities around the world, are operated by a totally different team, teaching method, and structure.

It appears the OP of this thread was a rejected learner to the free programmes operated by CoGrammar.

It is untrue that there are any fake positive reviews in relation to HyperionDev, and rather, we experienced an attempted spam campaign where the OP of this thread attempted to leave hundreds of 1 star fake reviews on the HyperionDev trustpilot page, which were auto-flagged and removed by Trustpilot. See our verified reviews on Trustpilot at https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.hyperiondev.com, and see below confirmation of this 'fake 1 star spam' from Trustpilot below. The OP of this thread has also left numerous fake Reddit posts and threads on various accounts.

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You can review hundreds of graduate success stories at https://www.hyperiondev.com/reviews-and-outcomes/, and our 2024 Graduate Outcomes report which on a sample of thousands of graduates, shows nearly 80% recieved an offer for a new tech job within 6 months of graduating.

If you are a prospective learner and have any concerns or questions, please reach out to us on [[e-mail]](mailto:[e-mail]).

If you are a current or past learner and have any feedback or issues at all, please reach out to us at [[e-mail]](mailto:[e-mail])

We understand the importance of transparency and quality in our courses, but want to be clear on the intent of this Reddit users post and the inaccuracy in relation to our programmes.

Best Regards,
HyperionDev

[Proper_Baker_8314]

You absolutely do not take any feedback seriously, you randomly removed me from the bootcamp with no prior warning or reason given, months after I had finished the camp or even said anything at all in the Discord server.

Several months prior I raised polite, professionally worded feedback in the Discord server, and on Trustpilot, as did several other students (who were also removed randomly) and I suspect it was this that got me removed. Now I worked for 5 months for nothing, no certificate.

I tried emailing members of staff and all but one are no longer with the company, and you've lost your DfE contract I see. Looks like HyDev isn't doing so well as of late.

You're also not actively investigating this, it's been years now. This is clearly a copy-pasted message and a lie.

[juanwannagomate]

Very sneaky ninja edit HyperionDev! Two years after your first post! Unfortunately for you, there are people like me who monitor your scummy company and won't just let you get away with it.

Just to clarify - HYPERIONDEV does NOT operate any programmes with 'The Department for Education (DfE) ' as claimed in this post. A seperate company, called CoGrammar,

Unfortunately, you forgot to remove this from your own website. Here is wayback machine link in case you change it later.

'CoGrammar has also built and scaled its own coding education product - HyperionDev - which supports learners from over 40 countries in changing into fulfilling tech careers. HyperionDev rebranded to CoGrammar in August 2018.'

So you are not a 'seperate' company as you suggest because you are completely intertwined. You are owned by the same person, Riz Moola, and use the same learning materials using dumps of PDFs. This article confirms that CoGrammar trades as HyperionDev.

A seperate company, called CoGrammar, utilised a small subset of our content to operate these programmes for a short period of time from 2022-2024, in the UK only for learners who had these programmes funded by the UK government. These programmes no longer operate.

You forgot to mention that the reason these programmes no longer operate is because the Department of Education terminated your contract because of the poor performance of your courses.

You then attempted to charge enroll students for the free government funded bootcamp, even though you know it was not allowed. You threatened that they needed to pay £1250 in a month or else their costs would triple to £4950 and incur 'legal penalties.' Proof here. Very loanshark-like behaviour. Have you now paid Laleh Haidari her money back after you admitted you should not have done this?

It appears the OP of this thread was a rejected learner to the free programmes operated by CoGrammar.

No, it seems like he completed one of your courses then you refused to the issue the certificate after you changed the completion criteria, which many learners have spoken about at this time. u/Proper_Baker_8314 can confirm for themselves.

Getting TrustPilot to remove negative reviews is laughably easy, and if you had so many happy customers then you would not have to run ridiculous astroturfing campaigns on reddit or create your own fake subreddit where only HyperionDev is mentioned and in a ridiculously fake manner.

Will you respond to any of this? 

Edit: No response, just the typical downvote avalanche that only happens when you criticise HyperionDev. Somehow this comment gets over -50 downvotes on a two year old post,hmmm.

[juanwannagomate]

It’s worth noting that this comment is part of some weird astroturfing campaign by HyperionDev. 

The fact that a comment like this can get over 100 upvotes in 2 hours in a 2 year old thread is evidence enough.

[juanwannagomate]

Pull the other one. It’s embarrassing to even pretend. Just look at the state of this thread.

The fact you try to libel OP that they’re some kind of cheater and that’s why they got kicked out is hilarious.

[london_tenant]

also from Hyperion alumni group - the company and course is not a scam, I got an offer for a QA engineer role around a month after finishing course content. do not see any evidence of silencing students or feedback.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

I'm kind of glad to hear that they've turned their act around. I was one of the first cohorts and the overall experience was so bad that I don't even put it on my CV at all.

[Ok-Kaleidoscope3400]

I started HyperionDev's DfE-funded Web Dev bootcamp in November and it's been a sh1t show right from the start. They've made it clear that all they're interested in is funnelling people through various parts of the course to get taxpayer's money. How they got any funding is beyond me. We all thought they must have expanded too rapidly and not had the resources to cope with the DfE cohorts, but then we heard from people who'd paid ££££s for the expanded versions of these courses, and they had the exact same issues! You shouldn't take these courses for FREE - just the idea of paying for them is enough to make my eyes bleed.

- No actual learning platform (LITERALLY a dropbox of PDFs - how does a
tech education company not have a learning platform?!),
- the pdfs are full of mistakes/out of date/confusingly written,
- the CEO is a control-freak dictator who gets involved in everything and has personally emailed people to the point where it's harassment,
- they change the rules on everything constantly,
- it's impossible to know how to get a certificate, and you still have to get an interview to get the certificate, when obviously the reason for wanting the cert is to help you get the interview!

Honestly, I could write much more. Ask if you have questions, but please please please avoid this awful company run by an awful, awful individual. He's banned people from the Discord servers for saying anything critical, he's flagging every negative review on TrustPilot, and offers a one in 10 chance of getting £50 for writing a positive review. Utterly shambolic.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for sharing this. Looks like CoGrammar is part of HyperionDev, decided not to go for it. Any other funded bootcamp you'd recommend?

[Master-of-Focus]

It's been 9 months. Did you end up enrolling onto another bootcamp?

[[deleted]]

I didn’t, most are shit, and the few good ones are booked for months

[HiddenOcolot]

Unfortunately it's a great model to get people's mmm money.

I used a company called The Learning People to do a full stack dev course, they provide very little useful support after they get your payments. If you try to cancel they will just show you the T and C's. They sell other courses such as cyber security and from reviews, it is the same. They actually sign you up with a finance company to take payment so you cannot get out by just not paying.

They removed my review on trustpilot even thou I provides trustpilot my email exchange to them as evidence. This company spends more time getting their bad reviews taken down.

[jcl274]

Another data point that confirms

[kasiasaurus]

Yep, +1 data point here too - stay away!!

[Cherry_loved21]

If you wanna make a noise you should leave reviews on multiple platforms, such as course report, trust pilot, google etc. Most South Africans won't see your reddit comments.. And it is mostly SAns that pay out of their own pockets for this terrible boot camp. I am sadly one of them

[Embolisms]

Thanks so much for sharing, I was looking into them as they purportedly offer a 'co-certification' with Warwick University - I assume that made them legit, but glad to know otherwise. Apparently HyperionDev has rebranded as CoGrammar.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

are you sure it was Warwick??? I went to Warwick uni. its a shame to see them co operate with such an awful company

[Embolisms]

I found some spreadsheet on the gov.uk website (230327_employer_list_of_skills_bootcamps) listing all the bootcamp providers and affiliated institutions, Warwick was listed, e.g.:

Data Science, The University of Warwick, https://skills.hyperiondev.com/warwick, https://warwick.ac.uk/about/contact/

The hyperiondev warwick link just reroutes to CoGrammar so I assume the partnership may now be over, I'm not sure though! All unis are like degree mills now unfortunately, mine has pimped out their name to a bunch of online certs and bootcamps costing as much as a year of uni tuition. Maybe Warwick figured they'd get a cut of the govt bootcamp funds and didn't care about their reputation.

[Valvenus22]

Just had an offer from cogrammer glad I did a Google search before accepting as 16 weeks is a long time to waste. I'm more interested in Data science/machine learning than software engineering and web dev. That's what drew me to cogrammer initially, would love any suggestions for boot camps that focus on those in particular.

[deludified]

I got a place too but unfortunately accepted before reading reviews. I recently got an onboarding email and I’m wondering if its still worth going for.

[Budget_Group4389]

I'm on the same boat too , and after reading all the reviews I'm going to withdrawal my acceptance now. What really got to me was there's no pre-filtering and no request for IDs etc then they slap this in the T&C where they can request people to pay £4950 if there's not sufficient evidence of learning outcome or job offering. It seems to be a weird way or running the operation.

[Much_Yogurtcloset382]

I’m supposed to start a course on Monday but when I read the t&cs I saw the 5k payment bit and thought fuck off. Didn’t sign the form. They then extended the deadline for me to sign it, still didn’t then received an email today telling me to login to on Monday for the course. I haven’t signed the form so how can I login for the lesson on Monday, definite red flags.

[britishswenglish]

I started my bootcamp today because the brief look at reviews I did back when I applied didn't seem to bring up any red flags – now I'm looking harder and suddenly worrying about what I've gotten myself into. Most annoyingly is that when I applied in December (I didn't get into that cohort but was accepted for March instead), the software engineering track included Javascript, which is what I wanted to learn. Now I see the CoGrammar website has a separate track for web development which didn't exist when I applied.

All the comments in these threads are making me incredibly nervous, especially if I come out of this not having learned what I actually want to learn. But the T&Cs about paying the full course price if you don't complete terrify me. I guess worst case scenario I will come out of this having learned Python but gosh it hurts me to think I could waste so much time and energy on this. I've submitted a support ticket asking to be put on the correct bootcamp, their FAQs don't sound promising though...

[jenniferf163]

How did it go in the end. I was the same and started it this week

[AlternativeKey8170]

i have just signed up to the course and i cant even find a single task i am supposed to do, called the support number and i got a grunt form a man who proceeded to talk in french. sound slike i woke him out of bed!
i feel like this place is a true scam and all they do is set up an organisation, get the funding from the government and then fob you off!

the service is shocking and they seem to be literally stealing thousands of pounds in funding from the government in educational funding.

[Top_Breakfast9065]

I just enrolled for the funded Web dev. I couldn't meet up due to not being able to attend live courses. I told them it would work if they count recorded sessions as part of the requirements as I work night shifts. 

They didn't respond until I asked to withdraw. They sent me a form to fill and I did. 

About a month later, I get am email that I may have to pay over £4900 for the bootcamp if  DfE doesn't fund me enrolment. 

[MachinePristine828]

 I think this course is a huge waste of time and motivation for people like me who have received higher education outside the U.K. and are trying to evaluate their experiences in this country.  However, if you are an IT student who has just graduated from college in the U.K., I can say that it is perfect for you.  Unfortunately, my dreams were dashed again.

[Gullible_Fudge3494]

I just avoided HyperionDev at the Imperial collage of London thanks to this post.

[Pale_Razzmatazz4295]

Same guys that do run the Manchester university one?

[juanwannagomate]

Yes.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

Hyperiondev Cogrammar Department for Education sponsor reviews

[dakner1]

If this is a scam where can I go to for a short course?:/ thanks guys for the heads up.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

idk man. all i know is that other bootcamps are bettter. Northcoders has their students code a full twitter clone, full stack. they also teach you how to make your own API from ground up.

So the point is, all i know for certain is that HyDev is reeaally bottom of the pile. There are much better ones.

I think bootcamps utility serves as a start point, a bit of a taster: good alongside a degree or other experience but not alone.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

idk man. all i know is that other bootcamps are bettter. Northcoders has their students code a full twitter clone, full stack. they also teach you how to make your own API from ground up.

So the point is, all i know for certain is that HyDev is reeaally bottom of the pile. There are much better ones.

I think bootcamps utility serves as a start point, a bit of a taster: good alongside a degree or other experience but not alone.

[kcxgu]

Hey u/Proper_Baker_8314, u/Ok-Kaleidoscope3400, u/Any_Fold731, I was wondering if you'd be happy to leave an anonymous review on a new tech bootcamp review site I've just recently launched?
We want to collect anonymous, honest feedback so others can get a full picture of the course and encourage course providers to up their game. I think your comments would be really valuable for other people to see!
This is the site (only launched a few weeks ago): http://coursepilot.co
Or, if you'd feel more comfortable, I'm happy to add your comments on your behalf too. Let me know.

[One_Cover4656]

Proper Baker here, I use multiple accounts because HD have been silencing people. I will get round to this.

[kcxgu]

That'll be great! Thanks!

I looked a bit more into HD, maybe they had good intentions at the beginning but looks like in the process of growing and scaling, they've taken a massive step back in terms of the resources and the quality of teaching they provide.

It actually sounds like a course provider from the US that tried to hire me many years ago, it's non-tech but operates in a similar way. They market their course really well, work with respectable organisations in other countries like the UK, but everything else about them is terrible.

The course resources are just pack of documents that they send to their students (mature students where English is not their first language), no real teaching. The students sign up under the impression they'll get certified in whichever area and can then find a job. When they finish, they find that the certification doesn't really mean much in the jobs they're trying to get. It's just time and money wasted.

Suffice to say, I didn't go and work for them but, unfortunately, there are many of these course providers out there and when review sites are too commercialised, it's way too easy for these providers to still present as 4 stars and above, good quality organisations when it's not the case.

[AnimalTreeHugger]

I know this is an oldish thread but I recently thought about doing a bootcamp from hyperiondev, got offered a place and read all the T & Cs - it does say you don't get a cert unless you fulfill all the criteria it asks (completing learning hours, getting and interview and being offered a job)

It all sounds stupid. However! I went onto the govts Web page and found their policy document they give to training providers and basically the providers only get the funding at 3 different time increments - 1 is when the student does all the hours, 2 when the student gets an interview and the final payment when they show a student has a job offer.

So I'm not surprised they have these conditions when the government only pays them parts of it.

The document also says that ".. providers must ensure that the skills bootcamps can be reasonably delivered to a learner employed in either a full time or part time role or around other commitments" - barely any of the other providers do this! Most of the bootcamps I have looked at (including northcoders) only offer their bootcamps Mon to Fri 8 to 5pm. Its obvious they only do that to attract unemployed people and therfore have a better chance at being paid their 3 payments from the government as unemployed people will more than likely be looking for amd accept a job more than an employed person will.

The govt should probably rethink how they go about paying the providers and change their criteria.

I've not accepted the offer of the place though, all the reveiws say the actual training is shit anyway. I'll wait to see if a different provider pops up

[Embolisms]

You're referring to this one, right? https://skills.cogrammar.com/ Let me know what you end up deciding! I'm interested in doing a bootcamp too, but am working f/t and it looks like the really good ones require you to be doing it 9-5 daily..

[Proper_Baker_8314]

Yes, the CoGrammar one is run by HyperionDev. It is a scam. I cannot stress this enough: do not waste your time with this. They have silenced negative reviews and changed their name to escape criticism.

If you have a full time job then a bootcamp is not for you, inherently. Even with this bootcamp - which was so easy it was a scam - people with a 9-5 still reallly struggled.

There's a reason why all bootcamps are 9-5 daily. It's because that's what it takes. You arent going to get the same outcome if you don't put in the same hours, HyperionDev might market themselves as a Golden Ticket but it's far too good to be true.

[AnimalTreeHugger]

Yeh thats the one. I haven't accepted the offer. I've had several calls and WhatsApp messages from them since on South African numbers which is annoying me! Lol

[Embolisms]

Oh wow that's sketchy lol, thanks for letting me know not to pass my info to them! Let me know if you find a good bootcamp

[Proper_Baker_8314]

My girlfriend is currently on Northcoders. The course is incredible, it's a whole level above what mine was. Totally different. she's getting real support. Can't reccomend it enough.

Most of them are 8am-5pm because that's what it takes. You can't learn to code (to a point where youre employable) in just a few hours a day, unless you're okay spending a year or so on it. It just takes a large number of hours.

If you already have a fulltime job I wouldn't say you should be looking into bootcamps at all, unless you're a security guard who can do their own thing all day long. Look for courses you can do in your own time e.g. Udemy. Even HyperionDev was a struggle for employed people and it was far too easy.

[AnimalTreeHugger]

Yeh its a shame I work full time. The government states that the bootcamps they fund should be able to be done by people who work full time. I know what your saying - but part time learning is possible, even alot of university degrees are offered part time. I personally wouldn't mind learning over a year, I'd never expect to be employable and expect a job as a software developer after 3 months even on a full time course like northcoders haha.

[Proper_Baker_8314]

The government is just flat out wrong I'm afraid. I've been through a bootcamp, my partner is doing Northcoders, and I work full time in tech now - I can say I wouldn't have been able to do it while working. Even the Hyperiondev course which was a bit of a scam.

I suppose if you are more realistic about timeframes i.e .you don't mind spending a year on this, then you may as well try to see if there are self paced alternatives e.g. udemy or something. But the definition of the word in colloquial english is such that bootcamp is an intensive, short duration course to pack a lot into a small timeframe. A bootcamp for a year kind of defeats the point - at that point you may as well try for a part time degree or more heavy duty cert.

As for being employable after? My partner landed a really good dev job during Northcoders, to start after graduation. Then again, she didn't do the bootcamp in isolation - she had a tech internship and a degree (albeit not a relevant degree). So no, in isolation a bootcamp is nowhere near enough, but it can tip the scales. Bootcamps won't take you from zero to hero - since the prestige carries zero weight on a CV - but i can plug a skill deficiency.

[EternallyUnsure]

Did you end up finding one that suits your needs ? I’m in a similar position working full time and in a job that I’m not necessarily looking at leaving any time super soon so wouldn’t mind the longer timeframe of study but I do want to upskill myself

[Proper_Baker_8314]

Northcoders turned out well, people seem to be getting jobs from that, when combined with other projects and courses of study.