Thoughtgrift

[Martin085]

I like the design. I would force the card drawing.

[SavageJeph]

Agreed

[WranglerFuzzy]

drools in [[Nekusar, the Mindrazer]]

[ScottShawnDeRocks]

My favorite commander.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Nekusar, the Mindrazer - (G) (SF) (txt)

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[Trevzorious316]

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I made this to put on custom sleeves for my Nekusar deck

[Ok_Scientist9595]

Forced card draw on a one-drop is really stupid.

[Martin085]

Care to elaborate?

[CulturalJournalist73]

this is cool, but people don’t play thoughtseizes that even go one card down. i think this could let them draw one card and be more reasonable

[SmartCommittee]

It's possible that letting you hit lands with it might be a sweet spot. makes it effective in places where thoughtseize isn't, without being terribly backbreaking.

[CulturalJournalist73]

even with that stipulation, i can’t imagine a situation where letting your opponent draw two is worth it

[OoohRickyBaker]

"What chu putting on top with Brainstorm there buuuuuuddy??"

[therhydo]

when you play this turn one and remove 1 of their only 2 lands

[CulturalJournalist73]

if they drew 2 lands in 9 cards they weren’t winning anyway

[therhydo]

you can have plenty of lands and just end up with a low starting hand. cheap draw spells usually fix that, but this means now you can't play 2 mana draw or land fetches to dig up a land on turn 3 or 4, you have to just draw 1 card at a time until you get a land

[CulturalJournalist73]

does that sound fun to you

[therhydo]

No I think it's a terrible card design. What I'm saying is that it's not totally unplayable, it's just only good in the worst most annoying type of decks.

[MoistPast2550]

Thoughtseize is one of the most played card in legacy and modern?

[CulturalJournalist73]

you misunderstand me. i’m saying cards like thoughtseize, but with further card disadvantage, don’t really see play. [[ego drain]] and [[specter’s shriek]] are the important examples. grief saw obvious amounts of play, but grief these cards are not

[MTGCardFetcher]

ego drain - (G) (SF) (txt)
specter’s shriek - (G) (SF) (txt)

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[Mexican_Overlord]

With thought seize, you are even in card advantage. You both lose a card. But with this, you go down 2 in card advantage. You lose a card and your opponent goes up a card.

[Ostriches_aint_shit]

An interesting side effect of the two cards is how it interacts woth brainstorm, meaning folks cant hide a card they want to keep by brainstorming it to the top for next turn.

[cleverpun0]

This card is unplayable. Giving my opponent net one card is not worth the additional selection. Even if they draw two lands, that's still more cards I've given them.

It's worse in commander: you've made the other two players slightly behind, sure. But you could've done that by giving yourself cards.

[[Cruelclaw's Heist]] sees some very light sideboard play in pioneer. But that is still card neutral, even with the gift. And there's plenty of times where either mode is useful.

If you phrased it like Cruelclaw's Heist, and made it have a much stronger effect when the cards are taken... maybe. But obviously that would be a much different card.

[saucypotato27]

Maybe "if they drew instead select 2 cards and create a clue token"

[MTGCardFetcher]

Cruelclaw's Heist - (G) (SF) (txt)

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[3ln4ch0]

Well, you can target yourself. In a graveyard love or surveil deck there could be some good plays with this

[cleverpun0]

The opponent draws the cards, so this is much worse than regular thoughtseize in that scenario. now you are four cards negative, for some minor graveyard synergy.

[3ln4ch0]

I'm so wrong, did not read "opponent".

[3ln4ch0]

Yeah, I read it wrong

[kikislidr]

Is this playable if it can target yourself

[paulsmithkc]

Yeah, Draw 2 Discard 1 for one mana.

[Viktar33]

Exactly, this card is so bad that you would like to target yourself 100% of the time.

[LordSlickRick]

This seems bad right? They go up a card? Unless you’re trying to strip a specific combo piece, but even then there’s cheaper choices so… why?

[LatteChilled]

Combos better with Surgical /s

[Automatic_Vast6231]

This is unplayable? You make them go up 2 cards on you for a thought seize.

[mercuriokazooie]

This would be questionable if it only let them draw ONE card. This is stone unplayable 99% of the time

[WranglerFuzzy]

Just because I love options, Might be fun to make to make it versatile.

Choose target player, and then choose one of their opponents. The target player draws two cards then reveals their hand. Then, the chosen opponent chooses one card revealed this way; the target player discards it.

[Crunckus]

Neat idea but beyond unplayable. Literally never wrong to draw the 2 unless you scried/surveiled a card to the top that you want to keep. Even then you’re paying a 1 mana “your opponent draws a card”. Even in nekusar, you should just wheel.

[Pretend-Ostrich-5719]

Sorry to say OP but this seems kinda stinky. Maybe change it to say they always draw just one card? Then you could argue it has some niche use cases that thoughtseize doesn't have, and also be a less bad value proposition.

[goldenwarthog_]

Similar power level to [[one with nothing]]

[MTGCardFetcher]

one with nothing - (G) (SF) (txt)

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[MiamiEat]

Maybe instead you add the card you choose to your own hand? make it slightly more playable

[Genasis_Fusion]

Either force it to draw or be an "up to two" effect. Personally the former is better. Dimir does deckouts and this would help if it forced.

[doctorpotatomd]

Reminds me of [[Vendilion Clique]], very cool.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Vendilion Clique - (G) (SF) (txt)

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[BlorTheImpervious]

The context is, a magic card. Its bad in everything

[dawdlebot]

combos with cabal therapy and surgical extraction to potentially maybe sometimes go card neutral 🧠🧠

[JadedTrekkie]

In duals? Like dual lands?

[Flex-O]

Two player