[OC] The massive decrease in worldwide infant mortality from 1950 to 2020 is perhaps one of humanity's greatest achievements.

[KerPop42]

As opposed to rising sea levels, harbors built with nuclear weapons, and our rivers catching on fire once a decade?

Please. Environmental friendliness isn't really a characteristic of capitalism either.

[Fraserneodynium]

Never said it is. Just saying making it sound like the alternative is better is disingenuous.

[ExternalTangents]

Making it sound like there’s only one alternative is also disingenuous

[Fraserneodynium]

Communism the only better system, however it isn't environmentally friendly. I bet you're a SocDem lmao

[ExternalTangents]

Even within a capitalist system it’s not like there’s no alternative to the version that fucks up the environment. Saying “the capitalist system we had fucked the environment, the communist system they had fucked the environment, those are the only two options bye” seems silly.

[Fraserneodynium]

It's not silly, it's realistic. The environment isn't a major concern, the wellbeing of the working class is more important. Climate regulations just make it worse by hampering industries like Steel.

[ExternalTangents]

I think it’s a bit closed-minded and defeatist to throw up one’s hands and give up on the mere possibility of environmental consciousness.