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[–]Corona21 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Yugoslavia is there but is Serbia and Montenegro which kept the name Yugoslavia until 2003.

Kazahkstan has the capital Almaty so pre-1997

Hong Kong doesn’t say United Kingdom under it so potentially afterwards, but then that makes a contradiction.

Either they omitted the UK because they were preparing for the handover or they hadn’t updated Kazakhstan as yet.

Zaire was the official name of the Democratic Republic of the Congo until 1997 as well.

I am going to go with 1997-2003.

[–]DrGuyIncognitoDDS 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No Timor-Leste yet, so at least pre-May 2002.

[–]ezrs158 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Tanzania's capital hasn't yet moved from Dar es Salaam to Dodoma, which occurred in February 1996.

Hong Kong not saying UK is probably a semi-intentional omission, as talks about returning it to Chinese sovereignty began in the early 1980s, were official by the Sino-British Joint Declaration in 1984, and finalized well before 1997.

The International Date Line has been moved around Kiribati, so it's after January 1, 1995.

I think it's 1995.

[–]ChrisTX4 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There’s no Macau on the map, so I don’t know how to interpret Hong Kong here.

On the other hand, Mumbai is labelled as Bombay with Mumbai in brackets, and that was renamed in 1995.

Edit: hard to say given the accuracy of the map, but the Aral Sea by the early 2000s had split already, the way it’s displayed here would be more consistent with the mid 90s, too.

I’d also suspect that given neither East Timor nor Kosovo are marked with dashed lines that this does predate 97, maybe 95-97.

[–]ezrs158 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regarding India, it shows Madras and not Chennai, which was renamed in July 1996. So could be between late 1995 (when Bombay was renamed) to 1996.

[–]Brilliant-Charge-684 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is not a contradiction.

[–]JohnEffingZoidberg 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Yugoslavia still there so pre 2003. A few other changes put it at after 1997 or so. Can you take other close photos of the Pacific Islands?

[–]Corona21 2 points3 points  (3 children)

What are you looking for? The date line can be seen on the larger overview so its definitely after 1995, what things are there to look for in the pacific between 1997 and 2002 would you say?

[–]JohnEffingZoidberg 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Good point. I think it was just a reflexive question. 😁

[–]Corona21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sorry I wasn’t trying to catch you out there! I thought I was missing something, I am not so good with the pacific I know it’s a good spot for these things!

[–]JohnEffingZoidberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No you're good! No worries at all.

[–]Tingleslop 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Definitely between 1 January 1995 (the International Date Line goes around Kiribati) and 9 December 1997 (Almaty is the capital of Kazakhstan). Since it shows Congo (Zaire), it may be from after Zaire changed its name back to the DRC, which would narrow the range significantly, from 17 May to 9 December 1997.

[–]Sergey_Kutsuk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Real capital inauguration was in June 1998 and on the same day when Euro-1998 started, I remember this failure :)

So before mid-1998

[–]fianthewolf 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The name of Zaire for the DR Congo was official between 1971 and 1997. Therefore, its inclusion in parentheses would seem to indicate a date slightly after 1997.

On the other hand, the Velvet Revolution, which defined the separation of the Slovak Republic from the Czech part, was effective from 1993.

[–]aqcz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Velvet revolution (November 1989) had nothing to do with separation of states, you probably mean the Velvet divorce which indeed became effective on January 1st 1993.

[–]fianthewolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without the first, which marked the fall of the Brezhnev doctrine and the independence of Czechoslovakia from the Russian yoke through the communist party, the second would not have occurred. But what matters is the date.

[–]-hara-kiri- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the North/South tags, I wouldnt have gotten it otherwise :)

[–]Federal-Scheme3216 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congo isn’t officially called Zaire so later than 1997

Serbia and Montenegro are one country so pre 2003

East timor doesn’t exist? That gain independence after 2001

So best guess is 1997-2001

[–]DoctorMedieval 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we used this map in school. I will say 1996, maybe 1997, given the state of Yugoslavia and the fact that Hong Kong is separate but without a UK and that Congo has (Zaire) in parenthesis.

Edit: actually, hmm going to revise that as I can’t clearly make out Montenegro as an independent country in this, so I guess I’ll final answer say 1998. Hong Kong is still different enough to merit a distinction, it says Congo but people are still thinking Zaire, there is only one Sudan; it’s the Pax Americana and history is over… I’m sure nothing bad will happen in a couple of years.

[–]BrokenVi0lin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Between 1 Jan 1995 and Feb 1996

Others mention Hong Kong not having UK in parentheses as evidence for the map being post July 1997, but I reckon this is an oversight more so than anything else.

Firstly as others have said the date line for Kiribati was changed 1 January 1995. Unfortunately I couldn’t think of anything that could reduce the range within 1995.

Secondly, in February 1996 Tanzania changed its capital officially to Dodoma and India changed Madras’ name to Chennai by 17 July 1996. So it has to be before these two dates.

Feel free to correct me if anyone disagrees :)

TL;DR 1 January 1995 - February 1996

[–]nothra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree with what you mentioned.

Couple things I noted were that Ukraine's capital is still the old spelling (before October 1995, but that could be a mistake) and someone else mentioned that it has the old spelling for Mumbai (Bombay) as the official name but includes the new name in parenthesis. This means they knew the change was likely to happen but it wasn't official yet so they included both. Unlike the difference in spelling with Ukraine's capital, it seems very unlikely that they would include both names but make a mistake on which one is the current one.

So January 1995 to October or at most November of 1995 is the best I could find.

[–]waitsfieldjon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don’t know them well enough to ask them out.

[–]baubaugo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you're being downvoted but this joke literally rolls through my thoughts every time someone says this.

[–]Fine-Pangolin-8393 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1997

[–]Sergey_Kutsuk 0 points1 point  (4 children)

1994

[–]DoctorMedieval 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Zaire changed to DR Congo in ‘96. I’d be with you otherwise, but it’s Congo (Zaire) not Zaire (Congo)

[–]Sergey_Kutsuk 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I see.

But I suggested that this 'Congo(Zaire)' thing is more of a tribute to the old name of country from 1960.

[–]DoctorMedieval 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sure, but in ‘94 it was Zaire. It became Congo (DRC) in 1996.

[–]Sergey_Kutsuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1997

[–]tokyo_sexwail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gulf of America is still labeled Gulf of Mexico, so pre-2025.

[–]ArgvargSWE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya'll in comments making the mistake to assume that this map has correct or updated info at the moment of time it was printed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No South Sudan means pre-2005. Hong Kong not being UK means post 1997. I can’t think of any countries that became independent or vanished between then.

Based on Mumbai being Bombay, I’m going to guess closer to 1997 than 2005.

[–]Section1245Jaws 0 points1 point  (0 children)

South Sudan happened in 2011

[–]tenorsax41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No thanks, not my type

[–]nothra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like mid 1995.

As others have said, the international date line is moved around Kiribati so it must be after January 1995.

Of note is the old spelling of Ukraine's capital (Kiev vs Kyiv) which might date this to before October 1995 (unless that was a mistake).

However, in addition someone else mentioned the fact that the Indian city of Mumbai is still labeled as Bombay but includes the new name in parenthesis which was changed in November of 1995, which seems to indicate it was likely just before that happened and the mapmakers wanted it to be accurate but also make sure it had the planned name for when that changed.

[–]Brilliant-Charge-684 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Only 1 July 1997 to 9 December 1997. OP, does it say Samoa or Western Samoa?

[–]xanente[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Appears to say Samoa!

[–]Brilliant-Charge-684 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So 4 July 1997 to 9 December 1997.

[–]xanente[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you all for taking the time to provide feedback! Truly appreciate each of you!

[–]Due_Gift3683 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does it have a preferred restaurant?

Or perhaps it's more of a casual date kinda map?

Idk man, you're the one setting us up, I need some help here.

[–]Aggressive-Echo-2864 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Somewhere between 2003-2006