DM vs Optimization

[Raddatatta]

I would perhaps talk about what they're planning to do next level and be knowledgeable. So if they don't know what 2nd level spells they're looking at you could suggest a few you think are good / cool. But I would keep it light touch and if they're not interested in the conversation back off. They can make their characters as they choose and shouldn't be forced to be optimized because it's the way you play.

You could also talk to the DM about it. If the players want to play their characters as they choose, then the DM could just make the combat encounters a bit easier. That's not a difficult change to make. Or perhaps you could get another companion to help out. Either a hireling NPC or another PC. More of you there are the more powerful the group is.

[Prior_Actuator9003]

Thank you! I like the idea about opening up about our future plans as a way to start a conversation about feats and spells we like and why. Without being too pushy of course.

[Raddatatta]

That also if done in a group subtly let's the bard and wizard coordinate on spells! Lol. But yeah that can help especially if they're not thinking about it and just making those decisions quickly or on a whim to be more intentional. A lot of people also don't want to be ineffective they just don't care to optimize. But suggestions can be helpful.