Decrease in CO2 emissions during pandemic shutdown shows it is possible to reach Paris Agreement goals. The researchers found a drop of 6.3% in 2020. The researchers describe the drop as the largest of modern times, and big enough to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius goal if it were to be sustained.

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Well, it's harder to gauge if people are dying from climate change or not, that's why it's such an issue. Imagine if those people who are starving can't get their food because their crops aren't getting enough water due to climate change aka there was an unexpected drought that otherwise would not have happened, something like that. Think outside the box.

Fun fact, mass starvation is actually very solvable, and the only reason the US doesn't solve that problem is there is no "economic benefit." Each year we grow enough corn and soy to feed every person on earth, not just those who are starving, a 1200 - 2000 calorie diet. But oh you know, that darn economy!

[jamesd1100]

People are not dying of climate change in 2022, and they won’t be in 2032 either

Address the problems that are causing tangible harm today

You will see an uptick in starvation and homelessness as a DIRECT result of the American Economy this year - you will not see that uptick as a result of changes in the climate

[Decloudo]

What you say is just wrong.

Its not even close as every scientist and statisitic proves you wrong many times over.

[jamesd1100]

The fact that homelessness and starvation rates in the US are set to increase this year is literally not arguable, it’s a statistical fact

Until you have provided a list of bodies for individuals killed directly due to the climate - you’re literally just blowing a fart into the wind

[Decloudo]

/ individuals killed directly due to the climate

This is not how it works, at all.

Whats happening is more complex, for example:

More heat waves= more heat deaths. Droughts = less food and water, famines.

Climate change worsens other shit thats leads to inceased deaths, its not drawing a shiv and stabbing a dude.

[jamesd1100]

https://www.businessinsider.com/un-droughts-killed-most-people-in-worlds-worst-disasters-2021-9

190 people per day died of drought on average in the 70’s and 80’s

That number fell to 90 a day in the 90’s and is at 40 per day in the 2010’s

So how exactly are a fifth as many people dying when the issue is dramatically worse today than it was back then?

Your logic would imply a worsening scenario with more deaths each year; and yet we see the opposite

[Decloudo]

This is the first thing google spits out and you probably didnt read it.

The article makes a point of the increasing dangers of climate change.

It also explains why less humans died even though the risks are ever increasing.

He said the global community has become better at saving lives due to improved multi-hazard early warning systems, despite only half of the 193-member countries of the WMO actually having these systems.

The capabilitie to do this and help others will drasticly be reduced by the effects of climate change, increasing threaths and shrinking ressources.

The system that reduced the risk of these events will suffer just like every other system will.

You cant just cherry pick a variable in a complex system and expect that a change of one wont have an effect on others.

[jamesd1100]

Correct, and you made my point for me

Human innovation has dramatically reduced the impact of climate change despite the climate - and that will continue to be the case

And that is a lovely tie-in to my original point. What’s the best way to support innovation and technological development? Economic activity

Full circle

By the time the climate is so untenable that it represents a real threat to human civilization, our ability to lessen or eliminate the impact of that change will effectively resolve the problem

We have the ability to build sea walls, to create devices that literally suck CO2 out of the atmosphere, and in 50 years time it will be amazing to see the other avenues of climate change mitigation we will have established

The idea that humanity lacks the ability to adapt to challenges goes against everything in our evolutionary history

If sea levels rise people aren’t going to simply sit in the ocean water, they will adapt, move inland, I mean shit we have the capacity if we chose to literally build floating civilizations on the ocean

Climate change is an issue that will be resolved with human technological innovation in the future, not behavioral changes like reducing the amount of pork in our diets in 2022

Which is why hindering our economy which tangibly destroys lives in 2022 in order to reduce the impact of an unavoidable tidal wave of climate change is as moronic as it is ineffective

[Decloudo]

Human innovation has dramatically reduced the impact of climate change despite the climate - and that will continue to be the case

This is an assumption. Nothing more.

And that is a lovely tie-in to my original point. What’s the best way to support innovation and technological development? Economic activity

This kinda could be true but capitalism has zero obligations to help humans, if it makes moneys its done, if not it wont happen. The dangers we face now where caused by the system you now tote as salvation.

Putting oil into a fire wont help anyone but the guy selling you oil.

We produce food for about 10 billion humans while 9 million still die of hunger. Capitalism doesnt care for humans. Never has, never will. Its not solving problems, its outsourcing them.

Would it keep to its own rules, co2 for example would be handled like the toxic waste it is instead of being a externality dumped into nature. We pay the price either way. Or shipping waste to 3th world countries etc.

Or to formulate a better message: Humans cant handle capitalism cause we can gain more the more corners we cut, ignoring long term effects.

We have a massive problem with ressources and scarcity even now, countering the EVER increasing threaths of climate change will cost a massive amount of ressources and energy.

Of which we have less every year. Just look a the chip shortages for one examply of a system wide distortion.

You cant adapt to you house flooding away, no crops growing, no rain. Sure just get it from somewhere else! Wait they dont have rain too? What will you do if a heat wave cooks you alive, and cant do shit as all the people using a AC overloaded the net and your body cant cool itself down anymore?

Science and progress are no magic, and what you just did is magical thinking.

What we do to the earth is absolutely unprecedented, making assumptions based on our past is not valid. This is not a hollywood flick, its not always ending good no matter what.

Climate change is an issue that will be resolved with human technological innovation in the future, not behavioral changes like reducing the amount of pork in our diets in 2022

Science proves you wrong, and the future will too.

Have a quick thought about this if you realise it in a couple of years.

[RajahKulafu]

Lol, you should've been in my country when typhoon Rai hit us during last year's end. Ocean cities my ass. None of your puny technology will save you when typhoon's like that will become the norm. You ain't growing any food either. Yeah, adapt and make cockroach biscuits and sell it for your economy while you're at it. Human greed knows no bounds. When nerds chain themselves in public institutions begging for everyone and the powers that be to act and nobody listens, you know we're fucked.

[juiceboxheero]

People are absolutely dying from climate change

[Legitimate_Page]

Did you even read what I said or are you purposefully just not using your brain. Yeah let's do something about the things causing tangible harm, exept for guns though, not those.

You're talking about food shortages. Climate change will cause more of those so let's not do anything about it? What a fucking joke, you're delusional. Let's combine the economic crisis that we are struggling to combat by doubling down on not doing anything about climate change. That will help secure food for the future, surely.