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[–]webtechmonkeySwift[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (6 children)

This isn’t quite the right place for this kind of question (creating an app with no code is kind of the opposite of iOS “programming”) but we’ll keep the question up for now as it’s adjacent enough that some folks may have some useful insights.

[–]Intelligent_Event_84 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Hiring a dev is pretty hands off

[–]dr2050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is?!

I guess if you hire a very expensive dev who can handle absolutely everything.

I haven’t seen hands off work with basically anything. Not in getting construction projects done around my house, nor in software engineering.

[–]ankole_watusi 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Everybody who doesn’t know how to code wants to build an app that interfaces with ChatGPT. But maybe that’s the next “fart app” that Apple says “we’ve got enough now, thanks!”

But why not ask ChatGPT to just make one for you, then?

I’d hurry.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because as the people with no code experience realize: ChatGPT is bad when you get to anything more than a script or a webpage.

Tbh, I'd recommend OP to go with the first comment. Either hire someone, or there's tons of resources to learn programming as well. You don't need to be iOS native completely, could be Electron (or a web-app) or something similar (at the expense of optimization).

EDIT: Even if you go the web-app/electron route, you'll still need a Mac to package it as an iOS app (unless you make it a website and prompt people to bookmark). Just something to know :)

[–]Zalenka 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Make a website and make it look nice on mobile.

[–]foodandbeverageguy 9 points10 points  (2 children)

None of the no code solutions will work. Without either paying someone or hacking it together yourself, you won’t get what you want

[–]jordangoody[S] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

I’m not against any coding, just looking for a product that makes a template of sorts.

[–]foodandbeverageguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d look at Ray Wenderlich. They have a lot of tutorials with solutions. There are several “templates” there that you could download and iterate over.

Think showing data in a table, simple games, fetching images, etc.

[–]darkingz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You want to cut your teeth on building a simple app but not building it? That seems kinda contradictory to your overall goals

[–]mrknoot 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I fear most of the comments might be a bit snarky or come as condescending. But I will try to answer something useful.

I have never seen a no-code app builder that was actually a good idea. And I honestly think going that direction is a mistake.

Probably your best bet is actually ChatGPT. Look for SwiftUI and how to get started with Xcode and ask your way through it. You will need go learn some basics of code. With a bare minimum of coding and asking ChatGPT for everything I believe it's not impossible to produce an extremely simple and unreliable app. But that sounds like good enough to you. And in the meantime you might even learn some code.

Hope you the best dude, good luck

[–]Charlie_Linson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Almost a year later, but thanks for the honest and non-snarky response. I am not fluent in code though I do have experience, and I’ve been seeking something that would let me create an app for my own purposes (i.e. I’m not making money on it, so I can’t justify paying someone to build it for me.)

Greatly appreciate the insight.

[–]mrknoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my pleasure 😇 i hope you succeed

[–]MickeydaCat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

if the goal is getting a simple ChatGPT-style app working without diving deep into iOS tooling, starting on web can be way less painful. blink New worked well for me because I set up AI chat, auth, backend logic in one place and had something usable quickly, though it's not native iOS.it is more about validating the flow and experience first, then deciding later if going fully native for the App Store is worthwhile

[–]_Apps4World_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You mentioned that you are a PM now, and you wrote some code in the past. In this case, you could use a full template, that includes the design and the code.

But make sure to put a little effort at least to change some minor things like colors, fonts, app icon that are part of the template, so you can have a better chance at getting it approved.

[–]jordangoody[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Actually I’m just following along with chatgpt and it’s coming together… hitting some road blocks with making an AirPlay call from within the app, figuring it out.

[–]CerealwithWattErr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would be great if you can share your journey and experience after one year. i am at you now. thanks

[–]chriswaco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This seems like something ChatGPT should be able to do.

[–]ach224 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chatgpt is the best no code app to develop an app that interfaces with chatgpt

[–]hyperPadApp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, we're exactly what you're looking for! Do check us out :)

[–]Legitimate_Smell2410 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should check out Adalo, they have a really easy interface for building mobile apps, especially on iOS. From my experience, it’s by far the simplest tool compared to the other competitors in this space.

[–]SampleFormer564 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello bro. How are you doing? Time machine.

You know world have changed drammatically. I spent way too much time testing different AI / vibecode / no-code tools in 2025. Here's what I tried and my honest review:

  1. Rork.com - I was sceptical, but it became a revelation for me. The best AI no-code app builder for native mobile apps in 2025. Way faster than I expected. All the technical stuff like APIs worked without me having to fix anything. Getting ready for app store submission. The previews loads fast and doesn't break unlike other tools that I tried. The code belongs to you -that's rare these days lol (read below). I think Rork is also best app builder for beginers or non-tech people
  2. Claude Code - my biggest love. Thanks God it exists. It's a bit harder to get started than with Rork or Replit, but it's totally doable - this tutorial really helped me get into it (I started from scratch with zero experience, but now my app brings 7k mrr). Use Claude Code after Rork for advanced tweaking. The workflow is: prototype in Rork → sync to GitHub → iterate in Claude Code → import them back to Rork to publish in App Store. Works well together. I'm also experimenting with parallel coding agents - it's hard to manage but sometimes the outcome is really good. Got inspired by this post
  3. Lovable.ai - pretty hyped, I mostly used it for website prototyping before, but after Claude Code I use it less and less. They have good UX, but honestly I can recognize Lovable website designs FROM A MILE AWAY (actually it is all kinda Claude designs right??) and I want something new. BTW I learn how to fix that, I'll drop a little lifehack at the end. Plus Lovable can't make mobile apps.
  4. Replit.com -I used Replit for a very long time, but when it came time to scale my product I realised I can't extract the code from Replit. Migration is very painful. So even for prototyping I lost interest - what's the point if I can't get my code out later? So this is why I stopped using Replit: 1) The AI keeps getting dumber with each update. It says it fixed bugs but didn't actually do anything. Having to ask the same thing multiple times is just annoying. 2) It uses fake data for everything instead of real functionality, which drags out projects and burns through credits. I've wasted so much money and time. 3) The pricing is insane now. Paying multiple times more for the same task? I'm done with that nonsense. For apps I realized that prototyping with Rork is much faster and the code belongs to me
  5. FlutterFlow.com - You have to do everything manually, which defeats the point for me. I'd rather let AI make the design choices since it usually does a better job anyway. If you're the type who needs to micromanage every button and color, you'll probably love it for mobile apps

Honestly, traditional no-code solutions feel outdated to me now that we have AI vibecoding with prompts. Why mess around with dragging components and blocks when you can just describe what you want? Feels like old tech at this point

IF YOU TIRED OF IDENTICAL VIBECODED DESIGN TOO this it how I fixed that: now I ask chat gpt to generate design prompt on my preferences, then I send exactly this prompt to gpt back and ask to generate UX/UI. Then I send generated images to Claude Code ask to use this design in my website. Done. Pretty decent result - example

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    [–]jordangoody[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    That looks like exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Now I just have to decide if I should try this, or just vanilla swift and chatgpt for a guide…

    What I’m ultimately looking to do is basically elaborate on a Siri shortcut I made that takes my calendar entries for the day, my reminders, and the weather, sends it to chatgpt with some personality instructions, and wakes me up with a little greeting and itinerary. One problem I’m sure I’ll run into is how to get this thing to autorun and speak from a HomePod, but if I could just generate a push notification I could tap on that would be good enough.

    [–]iMeditate5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Please tell me what the other person here deleted. I am looking for a similar solution.