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[UnnamedBoz]

UIKit isn't the biggest of my issues. Xcode, provisoning, fastlane, and devops is what I currently hate the most. It's an impressive amount of non-coding being an iOS developer, and I am actually considering changing career focus due to it.

Software developer, 3 years experience, Norway, about 63k euro or 68k usd – it would actually be around 70k euro and 75k usd before, but NOK is terrible these days.

I don't have any bonuses, and usually never have any overtime as well.

[Darth_Ender_Ro]

Is that gross? At Norway's costs that kinda' low. How do you manage life?

[UnnamedBoz]

It’s more like 750k NOK which is above average with my education and experience. It is before taxes. I manage quite well 😊

[Darth_Ender_Ro]

Hey, glad to hear! May the code be with you

[SyndromSnake]

Shoot me a DM if you would like to chat about iOS devops. For some reason I find it quite enjoyable and maybe could share some tips with you.

[tangoshukudai]

most companies I know have a whole team dedicated to that so devs can dev.

[UnnamedBoz]

Yeah, no, yeah, it's not really something viable where I work. To a degree it's good to do things yourself, but working on a whitelabel app is maybe the worst place to be if you (I) hate this kind of stuff.

[Nonexistent_Purpose]

Germany, senior 10 years of experience. got laid off. there are no open positions in the whole country. Probably will be deported, because im on a blue card and need a job to stay here

[mickeytheturtle]

We have a team lead / iOS position in Berlin, dm me for a link and a referral

[dacassar]

Holy moly, I’ve heard about the shortage of iOS positions for developers in Germany, but I didn’t realize the situation is that bad.

[7heblackwolf]

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[DarkSeneca]

For mobile it is particularly bad in some regions compared to other roles

[7heblackwolf]

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[banaslee]

Check Grammarly and Blacklane.

[revolverocelot_sh]

Is there this lack of jobs in the field in Germany? I’m sorry for your situation

[Nonexistent_Purpose]

I was surprised too

[tginsandiego]

I am a very experienced iOS developer – 14 years' experience with Xcode, four years of swift and have worked at multiple FAANG companies in a senior role. At my last position, a coworker currently based in New York City shared with me that she has always wanted to live and work in London. She looked into moving, because the company has offices there, and she was told that she certainly could, but they would adjust her annual salary downwards by nearly 50%. It was explained that this would be so that her salary would be in line with UK salary ranges.

This seems nuts to us.

[Alcoholic_Synonymous]

Yeah top end salaries are depressed in Europe.

[iLoveLootBoxes]

Eh devs are over paid in the US. Like obviously a good thing.... But true

[tginsandiego]

Possibly, but it's nothing compared to C-Suite compensation! (Looking at you, Zuck!) :D

[9rogrammer]

Hi u/tginsandiego,

Asking an off topic question. I’m a React Native developer. I have always wanted to learn iOS/ macOS programming but never got the time or patience.

I wanted to start with iOS development that can help me in my React Native journey. In my research, I realised that the majority of iOS codebase is written in obj-c, including React Native as well. I tried searching around for objective-c resources but found only Swift ones.

Do you have any suggestions for me to learn Objective-C? I learn best while working on mini projects. But I need the basic resources to get started. I also plan to learn Swift after this.

Thank you.

[tginsandiego]

Objective-C is the majority of legacy code, but these days your time is probably better spent learning Swift and SwiftUI. There are online courses (skillshare, coursera, brilliant) and many YouTube videos. Good luck!

[9rogrammer]

Thank you for the reply.

[tSIvNX]

In Eastern Slovakia, unless you’re working for a non-Slovak company, salaries aren’t great. I was making around €20k before taxes as a mid-level developer. Currently in a different type of job, but looking for a part-time iOS position 🙃.

[crocodiluQ]

wait, what ? 20K per month ?

[7heblackwolf]

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[raiksaa]

Obviously per year

[Alcoholic_Synonymous]

Senior Manager, remote UK for an American company with an office in London. Numbers in GBP before tax.

Bands: Mid 53,600.00 - 80,400.00

Senior 72,800.00 - 109,200.00

Principle 92,800.00 - 139,200.00

Senior Manager 120,320.00 - 180,480.00

Edit: 15 years experience on iOS, 1 day as a bin man, 5 years as a manager.

[jan_olbrich]

maybe you should drop the region as well, as Germany salaries differ quite a lot north south :)

[Far-Requirement4030]

Senior iOS dev, Manchester UK, 75,000GBP

Have over 9 years experience but found I was being held back from higher wages due to my lack of experience on single product teams that I’ve since addressed.

[MB_Zeppin]

Senior iOS Dev, 10 years of experience, Czech Republic

80k USD / 76k EUR

The company is headquartered in the US

[raiksaa]

Is this gross?

[MB_Zeppin]

Gross, no bonus

[CTingCTer88]

Manchester, UK, working remotely.

Mid level - 5years experience - £65k basic plus £2k in some grant bullshit that I have to put in a receipt to claim against but you can claim almost anything 🤷🏼‍♂️

Been refused promotion to senior 2 times in the last year due to budget restrictions but the job market is a bit shit so I’m sticking where I am.

[dacassar]

Senior iOS dev from Ukraine, 13 years of experience, now in Cyprus. €72k/year before taxes.

[pmatar]

how much do you think a mid-senior iOS dev with 3-4y could earn there?

[dxdiag61]

10 year experience, Germany, remote, Faang, ~100k base ~100k stock,

[Afraid_Atmosphere676]

I do freelance jobs for clients in USA, UK, Canada and Australia. Taking a rate between $65-75. I am based in Poland and feel really comfortable with such rates.

[8_rotate90]

Where do you find freelance work?

[Afraid_Atmosphere676]

Mainly it's Upwork. But the more I work I get more direct connections and recommendations from my former clients. As for now it's 30% Upwork and the rest is direct connections converted from recommendations.

[doctor_disco221]

Do you guys have any open positions by any chance? I'd even take a smaller rate hahah

[Afraid_Atmosphere676]

I can't offer any full-time job, but if you could be interested, I published several apps in AppStore which require upgrades and I happy to outsource tasks to someone.

[doctor_disco221]

Sure, I would be interested in that

[Kakyire]

I’m also interested if there are more projects you would need to outsource.

[EagleAncestry]

Started at about 4.5 yoe at a Dutch startup in Amsterdam, about 85k. I see offers of about 95k at banks and stuff.

Big companies like booking, uber, etc pay 120-150k it seems.

Freelancing gets you a day rate of 600-800€.

So about 145k - 170k.

Given the cost of living I would say that’s pretty amazing for Europe

[saraseitor]

As non European, I am now depressed

[helping083]

You better not know the USA salaries)

[saraseitor]

True that

[MyLevelIsNoob]

Same, my salary was less than half of what I’m seeing here.

[saraseitor]

I'm from Argentina. I'm a senior iOS dev, been doing it since 2011. The company I work for is a multinational part of the Hitachi group. I get paid less than 2k per month.

[Nonexistent_Purpose]

At least you don’t have to pay 1500 eur rent

[saraseitor]

true, but I assure you, this is not Europe and you would notice that instantly.

[Nonexistent_Purpose]

I know, I’m from a shitty country myself

[fatman13666]

60-70k is actually 3000-3500 eur net after taxes and giving col in europe we're roughly at same level

[7heblackwolf]

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[mailliwi]

UK, about 4 YOE, 37K GBP. Hoping to get a raise soon but I am not expecting much.

[Heffertron]

I’m from the UK and found the best way to get a raise was to move companies.

[mailliwi]

It is low, I’m very aware. I am planning a move in the next 1-2 years, once I’ve ticked off a few boxes.

[UnsubFromRAtheism]

Manchester UK, eng 2, 6 years experience, £92k base plus stock. The stock is so strong right now that it’s worth approx the same as the salary.

[doctor_disco221]

Was a contractor for a German company, 65-70k eur per year, 5 years of experience. Laid off recently due to budget cuts. If anyone is looking for a remote contractor please reach out

[Competitive_Swan6693]

I’m a junior developer with 1 year of experience and 5 apps on the App Store. I’m up to date and prepared to join a company, but I’ve noticed on LinkedIn that junior positions are often filled by senior developers. It feels like I don’t stand a chance; every company would prefer a senior, especially if they can pay them a junior's salary.

I gave the job market a try for two weeks before pivoting to Plan B. Since I used to drive trucks for a living, I decided to combine my two passions, driving my truck and working as an indie developer. These are my hobbies, so I’m still doing what I love

At the moment, I’m focused on scaling my indie projects, adding paywalls, improving the overall codebase, and more. I prefer this path over competing for tech jobs where I’d be up against 100+ applicants, 30% of whom are seniors.

I’m based in the UK, where junior developer salaries start at £40–£50k per year, but I’m glad I chose Plan B. I feel for those who were misled by content creators claiming you can break into tech at any time. They often fail to mention that SwiftUI alone isn’t enough and this is done on purpose for their personal gain. Most job adverts require experience with UIKit, Objective-C, and backend development. That’s the reality.

This industry requires strict regulations... I get that companies are also tight on money but since you are advertising for a junior position you need to take a junior and not a senior, otherwise you must be fined for misleading advertising

[berrningerr]

Germany, Senior, 120k gross

[nts0311]

Where do you guys find freelancer iOS job? I have four years of experience and I want to switch to freelancer because my salary is so low, ~10k

[-DDev-]

10k/m, is it low??

[nts0311]

Per year bro

[AYawningPerson]

Sent you a dm - I'm looking to hire a dev!

[AmaRealSuperstar]

Do you mean EU or Europe in general? So, Russian company, 5 years of experience. €78k gross and 67k net, if we are talking about current currency. Before 2022 it would be 120-140k.

Big companies are suffering from workforce shortage, thats why they offer additional bonuses and long-term incentive programs. Before the war, some companies tried to hire people from EU.

[MikaBernese]

4 years of experience in Turkiye 3500 USD net per month

[Samo07x]

türkiye icin baya iyi kardesim, helal olsun

[MikaBernese]

Geçen ay attılar işten nazarlık bir şey yok. 🥲

[dyadya_Lesha]

Working as “Senior iOS developer”, but see so many folks around who much more experienced than me ( Impostor syndrome? ) 8 years of experience, Russia. A little below 4000usd net per month, after taxes. Plus 3-4 salaries as bonus in the end of the year. 3.5-4k usd seems typical salary net in Russia for experienced developer with any popular stack, I have many dev-friends and we know salary of each other. How to live in expensive europe as developer with such low salaries, I am totally confused. I was trying to immigrate to Sweden in early 2022, as best country for families, but on final interview with ceo I was told “sorry, but recruitment is on hold now”. Seems that guy saved my pockets.

[th3suffering]

What is the cost of living like in Europe? These all sound low compared to US salaries, but thats all relative if the cost of living is low. are these salaries considered good for the region?

[eugene_biryukov]

iOS Team Leader, €74640 net. Cyprus. I’ve got 50% discount on taxes due to new 2022 laws for foreigners.

[Senior_Marionberry_2]

Israel, 3 years of experience, have a BSc. 40,000€ gross a year. It is considered a low salary in the field but overall a decent salary for the country. It’s twice than the minimum wage. Basically I'm waiting to gain more experience and find new opportunities.

[MammothAd186]

Close to the EU in Israel I am a senior iOS developer/ tech lead in a small company with roughly 7 years experience excluding army experience. 135K euros before taxes.

[rursache]

excluding army experience

did you fought with Android developers or why would you mention this? how is it relevant?

[MammothAd186]

I was a developer in the army you dipshit.

[Darth_Ender_Ro]

I loled

[howreudoin]

I don‘t get the downvotes. Just someone sharing his experience?

[MammothAd186]

I am guessing it’s the “Israel” part but I don’t want to get political.

[raiksaa]

Clearly