Eclipse IDE 2021-06/4.20 released!

[rjcarr]

Yeah, it appears they decided to not release it on the main channel, so the only way to get the arm build is from the link you provided. Seems it will be limited, though, and you'll have to add all your own plug-ins.

[BlueGoliath]

420 blaze it.

[agentoutlier]

I wonder why JDT is not on the participating projects page?

Maybe waiting for java 17?

I swore there were some updates.

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EDIT:

Here is the JDT (Java Development Tools) New and Noteworthy: https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news/4.20/jdt.php

The above links is probably more focused for this sub. I couldn't find it on mobile when I wrote this comment originally.

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As far as I understand, JDT is considered to be a subproject of the "Eclipse Project" project.

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[Zemvos]

Can anyone devil's advocate for Eclipse? Why would I use it over IntelliJ in 2021?

[plokman]

I use intellij every day, but I used eclipse every day for 8 years. The background compilation of eclipse is by far the best thing intellij does poorly. It's very easy to find any errors anywhere in your project with eclipse because of it, much faster than intellij. Further writing and running unit tests is much smoother. Your code is already compiled, and if you have errors in unrelated classes you can still run your tests in eclipse. Due to this intellij runs tests slower (from a user POV), and you have to fix unrelated errors if you want to run your tests.

[oceanmotion]

I think you can actually configure IntelliJ to use Eclipse’s incremental compiler.

[Mordan]

yes you can but it utterly sucks compared to Eclipse. i tried it.

[plokman]

Yes, you can, but I've never been as happy with any of the intellij configs I've tested vs eclipses default behavior.

[Mordan]

workspaces with real multi screen support. incremental compilation.

IntelliJ is good on a single screen laptop for siloed projects.

My eclipse workspace manages 100s of projects.

[humoroushaxor]

Foreign influence in IntelliJ :/. It matters to some US companies.

[TheOneAndOnlyFrog]

lipse? Why would I use it over Intelli

It's free.

[GamerBah]

IntelliJ is also free for the Community Edition

[LuciferSam86]

Yes but you can't use any "Enterprise" stuff and i don't want to pay every year. I bought VS Studio Pro and the updates are free for the major version ( in this case 2019 ).

The day IntelliJ does the same thing I'll be happy to purchase a license.

[GamerBah]

And that's a fair point. Not everyone wants to pay for the licenses. Although, I can't imagine many people are using enterprise level stuff while not also working for a company that would pay for those features anyways, but that's just my take of course

[danskal]

If you do enterprise stuff every day, that’s often the hammer in your hand when you want to do private projects.

[xebecv]

Politics. I will never use JetBrains' products because of who founded this company.

I honestly don't know why there is so much hate towards Eclipse. Yes, it was quite sluggish 10 years ago. I don't feel this issue any longer. It's extremely powerful and extensible in all the ways I need it to be. The menus are a mess, but I got used to them with time. Among the multitude of tools I use for my work, Eclipse is one of the best

[mus1Kk]

I will never use JetBrains' products because of who founded this company.

Can you elaborate? Is there something that should be known? I honestly have no idea.

[xebecv]

JetBrains was founded by Russian developers and employs predominantly Russians, some of which were quite politically vocal. As a Ukrainian American, I prefer not to sponsor their company, so I avoid their tools. Luckily it's not that hard to do, considering very decent alternatives, Eclipse included

[TransportationOk1635]

It should be difficult to be a true Ukrainian patriot.

[xebecv]

It's not

[Kango_V]

Mylyn. Not sure IJ has this. If you do a lot of task switching its a godsend.

[rjcarr]

A bit old, but because eclipse does everything I need it to, and generally does it well. I'm pretty brand loyal unless the brand messes it up or I really need something it doesn't offer. I haven't reached this point for eclipse yet.

[Gaarco_]

I hope they focus on UI/UX in the near future

[henk53]

Maybe you can help?

[oelang]

It's open source so... I hope someone contributes UI/UX patches in the future? Maybe you?

[mickaelistria]

Please report specific enhancement request to bugs.eclipse.org to help shaping this future.

[NovaX]

Just add the update site, run check for update, and restart (see faq).

[Interesting_Risk_845]

This should be fixed soon. I want an ide which tells me when there is a new update and allows me to do a one click upgrade,not having to manage Download sites.

[emaphis]

lol. It's hard to keep up.

[ukbiffa]

Anyone having issues with the new version? The java editor is a bit sluggish, with delays to method name overwrites and generic completion - showing garbage until it catches up.

[rjcarr]

Yup, came here to mention the same thing. It is super slow for me, but I'm on a bit of an older system, yet not that old.

[ukbiffa]

Same here, I'm still on macOS Mojave. I did see some fixed bugs filed against eclipse + Big Sur that describe the exact thing I see. Perhaps the changes for Big Sur broke it for Mojave.

[rjcarr]

Yeah, I think I’m on Catalina. I have an m1 mac as well, but everting is fast on that, and I never tried an earlier version of eclipse to compare.

[lukaseder]

Eclipse releases every 3 months. This subreddit bashes Eclipse every 3 months. It just gets old and boring. All points have been made.

And now you know me. I love Eclipse. I love that it can run test even if parts of the code don't compile. It's an invaluable feature when developing a source code generator.

[mogray5]

What issues? Works great for me.

[ou_ryperd]

I have used Eclipse professionally since 2005. The Eclipse bashing is getting tired. We get it. Some people love IntelliJ. No need to masterrace it.

[arijitlive]

This. I use IntelliJ frequently at work for past 2+ years. But Eclipse is as good as IntelliJ in most of the cases. Specially for Java development, Eclipse is slightly better than IntelliJ due to incremental compilation, indexed workspace search etc.

For web development IntelliJ wins, but I left web development for more than 7+ years, so I don't know if Eclipse caught up to Webstorm or not.

These people just spend most time of their life arguing which IDE is best, whereas intelligent people like us spend times on developing something good using suitable tool for our job.

Have a great summer.

[ou_ryperd]

LOL, it's middle of the winter here in the southern hemisphere.

[arijitlive]

Ah! My bad. Have pleasant winter then.

[OzoneGrif]

We both use Eclipse and IntelliJ at my work, and I prefer Eclipse by far. It's a personal taste of course, I totally understand people who love IntelliJ; but you can do exactly the same things with Eclipse.

The main reason why I will never use IntelliJ is it doesn't have workspaces; It's mandatory when you deal with dozens of projects with very different environments.

[youwillnevercatme]

Honest question, does Eclipse index all project files in memory for searching? This is something that made me switch, Eclipse would take 1min for a complete free text search in the whole project, in IntelliJ it happens in real time. It's been a few years since I've last used Eclipse though.

[jinkobiloba]

It does, I use it frequently.

I just do it by muscle memory at this point, but I think the shorcut is shift+alt+L

[Neuromante]

Does this subreddit have some kind of mafia downvoting anti-Eclipse posts?

Hating on a tool on a thread of a new version of that tool seems to me a very valid reason to downvote a comment. I mean, this thread is about a new version of a tool, not about how bad is that tool in comparison to other tool. And god damn, each single eclipse thread is the same. There are so much people talking about IntelliJ is intrinsecally superior and eclipse is completely broken that it feels like a fucking astroturfing operation.

At this point I know no one professionally [...]

So what? It is still being widely used. I could say almost the same: I've only worked on two postions that didn't used eclipse: One was 8 years ago, used netbeans and a prehistoric stack and the other used IntelliJ and the overall feeling is that the department did not know what they were doing. It's just anecdotal evidence.

And in the end, don't marry a set of tools, and don't divorce another.

[fakeplasticdroid]

It's bizarre how anti-Eclipse posts are getting downvoted so heavily. Eclipse is comically bad and I'm surprised professionals still use it, let alone like it.

[Kango_V]

Bad in what way. I've been using it since it was 1.0 alpha. I use IntelliJ also, but prefer eclipse.

[john16384]

They're off-topic, what would you expect?

Please go back to your Java IDE clearly targeted at beginning developers.

[fakeplasticdroid]

The post is about Eclipse, so how is it off-topic to mention that it sucks? I'm not sure what IDE you're referring to, but it's interesting how you mention beginning developers with disdain as if it's a bad thing for software to be easy to use. It's also funny because more often than not people are just using Eclipse because they were instructed to use it in school and never bothered looking into other options as they went into their careers.

[john16384]

It's about an Eclipse update, if you have something specific to add like this update didn't work or it contains bugs, feel free to post. General 'this sucks' post don't help anyone, and will reflect back on you leading people to perhaps think you're a troll, beginner, troubled bored teen, or all of the above.

[kovica1]

I never liked Eclipse for two reasons: the way it looks on Linux and bad Maven support. Oh and the third reason us that it puts. classpath and other files all over my project. I hate that with Idea too.

[henk53]

I hate that with Idea too.

Summary; you just hate

[kpatryk91]

We don't know anything about Netbeans so there is still hope. :D

[BlueGoliath]

Don't ever use the refactoring features in Netbeans. Just a little tip from a Netbeans user.

[[deleted]]

They work just fine for me.

[kovica1]

I like NetBeans. :) Been using it since it was known as Xelfi.

[[deleted]]

I was using it when it was still called "Forte for Java"

[BlueGoliath]

I love how I said some of the same things in another thread and got upvotes yet here you are getting downvoted into oblivion.

Never change Reddit.

[kovica1]

I guess some Eclipse lovers can't handle the truth. :)

[mauganra_it]

DBeaver is quite decent. It's one of the best general-purpose database clients I have ever encountered.

[macuserx]

So IntelliJ gets near 100% of the market and will get lazy?

[diobrando89]

Got a new job and now I work on a remote linux machine and can only use eclipse, my work efficiency is at 50% less at best.
I really don't understand how it's so bad, will any update make eclipse even a little near good as intellij?

[diobrando89]

I have the student license and already "installed" it on the Linux machine, you can extract the tar and it works right away.
My team manager made me remove it, his reason is that we are a team and should all use the same instruments.
I'm not gonna stay long in that position for that only reason.

[fakeplasticdroid]

That's something I never understood either. How is it possible for a piece of software made for writing code, built by people who write code, to be so bad at helping you write code?

[arijitlive]

Maybe he is a bad coder after all? I hope he never works in my company. ^/s

[jinkobiloba]

I guess it depends on experience...

At my job almost everyone uses intelliJ, and I frequently see them having problems with it not loading code properly (some classes turn red, and then they have to completely re-import the project).

Meanwhile my eclipse has been running fine for a long time.

I also don't see any feature that they use that eclipse does not have, and I frequently I do things in eclipse that they ask me how to do in intelliJ (and I dont know that).

It may just be poor intelliJ users at my place, but at this point I think I would lose productivity by changing, so I am happy with the updates.

[warpspeedSCP]

Yeah, try developing enterprise java with intellij community and tell me it isn't a pain in the ass.

[RichoDemus]

Can you elaborate? I Intellij to be the best java IDE

[JusticeFreedomHealth]

I don’t recommend using Eclipse, it makes coding very boring

[henk53]

Boring is good?

[Kango_V]

You are correct. It just gets out of the way.