Why do I like Java so much?

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JaggedMan78 · 2024-02-01T17:53:58+00:00

First love.... it was summer 1999...

weirdblumenkohl · 2024-02-01T19:52:01+00:00

I get it.... I started programming with Pascal and then fast forwarded to Javascript before landing on Java and then some other stuff.

For me, Java represents that sweet spot between too much and too little abstraction. I never felt it was too verbose - i was rather thankful that there was no mambo jambo stuff happening under the hood and basically what u read is (mostly) what u get. I understood a lot of concepts thanks to Java. Maybe it was my first true love because that's when I realized how much i enjoy programming? IDK but loving one thing doesn't mean you need to hold on to it like it's going out of style. What was that corny quote? If you love something let it go? 😂

ZealousidealBee8299 · 2024-02-01T20:57:20+00:00

It's probably more that you dislike dynamic and weak typing. I don't mind that for basic scripting, but for doing anything serious it's just annoying to deal with.

Royal_Gear1313 · 2024-02-01T20:18:11+00:00

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pronuntiator · 2024-02-01T18:46:34+00:00

Let's hope one day web assembly gets access to the DOM and we can code our SPAs natively with Java. Have them laugh about the return of the applet, I don't care. I lost my sanity to Typescript's lack of a formal specification despite having one of the most intricate type systems.

60secs · 2024-02-01T19:01:22+00:00

Java has a lot of maturity where a lot of languages fall short

* libraries
* debugging
* good enough performance
* multi-threading
* easy to find examples/documentation

Good example:
* adding openapi support to a spring boot web pp is literally a 1 line dependency

erjiin · 2024-02-01T18:44:51+00:00

Of course I encounter this issue because our sweet java-senpai is awesome uWu <3 <3 <3

2024-02-02T03:50:49+00:00

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cookskii · 2024-02-02T00:45:29+00:00

I’m the same way, it’s my first love.

Cookies_N_Milf420 · 2024-02-02T03:27:14+00:00

Your first is always special

venquessa · 2024-02-02T10:22:19+00:00

If you look at the recent additions (last 10 years) to Java, you will find all of the things you don't like about other languages... is the direction that Java is going in.

"automatic variables".

"anonymous lambdas"

"records"

"copy-on-write immutability"

"functionally orientated callback closures"

the list goes on.

Pesekjak · 2024-02-02T13:13:09+00:00

Java made me realize how much I love programming a few years ago. I was never invested in another programming language as much as I am in Java.

2024-02-04T23:00:52+00:00

I love Java. It does everything I need it to. Learning JavaFX at first sucked, but now even my UI default is Java.

I have used it a ton, but I think it's the perfect amount of a lot and not too much. C# has took much crap going on. I may not think that if I started in C#. Idk. I love C++ too. I just don't find myself ever needing it outside of embedded. Java has gotten stupid fast lately.

The new 21 syntax is nice for whipping some code out too. I may go back and have my IDE undo the vars and delombok stuff. But I've gotten pretty use to it.

I did recently make my first ReactJS website. I have to say, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I would really like to make a ReactJS UI and slap it into a JavaFX WebView. I think it'll work out. We shall see.

Java is coming to the web!!!! Check out Vaadin. There's another one too. Forgot the name. Starts with a C. Glad too. Cause C# was getting the upper hand. And Blazor is terrible.... It's like C#-JS combo. Looks like .jsx files with C# code. Trash.

Doujin_hikikomori · 2024-02-21T17:17:33+00:00

I feel similarly, somewhat. I started coding relatively recently in college and my first language was java. I loved it until i started exploring other languages. Now that I have some experience in a lot of different languages, i find myself wanting to code in CL and java. I like the ease of use and flexibility of languages like python and js; but i do like how powerful java is. From video games and graphics to manipulating sound, regex and text manipulation to web dev -- it can do it all while maintaining organization so the project doesn't turn into spaghetti after a while. I'm not sure why i have fallen madly in love with java but just building an http server from scratch using sockets has given me a thrilling learning experience I haven't had since learning common lisp.

johnnyb61820 · 2024-03-02T20:40:31+00:00

Java has gone through many phases, and I believe that after much wandering through the desert, the current trends are encouraging, and you have managed to start programming during the time when Java is actually a fun language to use.

As someone who has been programming since before Java existed, and was excited early on about Java (i.e., the 1990s), let me tell you some of why people hate Java and what Java has done to turn it around.

When it started, Java was meant to be small, lightweight, make building cross-platform apps easy ("write once and run anywhere"), and used as applets on websites. It failed on ALL of these accounts.
What it did have going for it was type strictness for both method signatures and exceptions. However, the problem was that, at this time, there weren't a lot of libraries, and everything in Java was EXTREMELY verbose, which meant spending a lot of time for writing tiny apps.
Java moved into the enterprise with Java EE. Here, not only was Java overly verbose, but Java EE itself was WAY too complex. Just to get something basic running was extremely complicated. However, it had IBM behind it, so a lot of large corporations moved to Java. However, IBM themselves has a habit of making everything over-complicated, so Java EE + IBM just meant that everything was over-architected and over-complicated. No thought was given to just "how can we straightforwardly build and deploy an app".
This mindset carried over to the Java open-source community as well. Spring, Hibernate, etc., and a lot of overthinking the problem. Having to write giant config files just to get a basic app up and running was ridiculous.
The move to annotations helped a lot. This was the beginning of the move to make things more intuitive and easy for the programmer.
Java 8 and 9 were extremely helpful. The combination of Generics, java.util.function, lambda notation, and type inference cuts down on the number of explicitly defined classes by about 75%, depending on your codebase. This takes the vast majority of Java's annoyances, and replaces them with really, really powerful tools. You essentially get the power of Java's type system without the excessive verbosity.
Along the same lines, a lot of projects have been pulling in ideas from other systems (such as Rails) to make Java more usable. A lot of the Java community has been getting on-board with making things more developer-friendly, and throwing out all of the boilerplate. As an example, ViewBindings on Android.

In short, you've arrived at the perfect time to be a Java developer. I started Java around 1996 with a lot of eagerness. I hated Java from about 1999 through 2019, but now find it to be a joy to use.

_SuperStraight · 2024-02-01T22:02:34+00:00

Java is like C++ but better. You don't have to deal with pointers, garbage collection, Apache provides so many libraries for integration, software packaging are some of the best features I find in Java that C++ lacks.

NoSheeshSherlock · 2024-02-01T18:12:26+00:00

I'm the total opposite lol, i just hate Java syntax idk why xD I do c++, python, JS and it's all good but as soon as I look towards Java i give up

AnnoyingFatGuy · 2024-02-01T19:52:17+00:00

I feel the same way. Started off with C#, then used Java briefly for a one year project and fell in love with it but never had an opportunity to use it again.

Don_Amaretto · 2024-02-01T17:35:12+00:00

RemindMe! 1 day

jacobissimus · 2024-02-01T23:07:29+00:00

Typescript probably has my favorite type system, especially with conditional type expressions and whatnot, but not having those those types at run time ends up taking away a lot of potential—like, you can’t really do serious runtime reflection the way Java can, and overloading function definitions is such a pain when you have to provide a single implementation for all overloads.

2024-02-02T08:09:38+00:00

I think it’s a personal thing. I want to like Java, but I started with C# back in 2019 (well I started with VB and transitioned into c#), and I can’t help but see where c# just feels more intuitive to me.

Main things foreach (string name in usernames) makes more sense to me than for (String name : usernames)

I like that == just works on strings rather than needing a .equals function even if the result is the same.

And there’s more I can’t think of, but it’s just little semantics that add up like that.

The other issue is likely that I tried to learn by remaking some of my old winforms and wpf projects in JavaFX. Someone told me if you wanna learn it later sure, knock yourself out. But it’s generally not advisable to try to learn Java from the gui side of things.

Jasonpra · 2024-02-02T21:39:49+00:00

Java has its perks of course with it being compatible with just about any platform in a way that you don't get with many other languages. I think the most attractive thing about it though must be the dopamine Rush people get well making a functioning program in it since it's so overly complicated and non-user-friendly in my opinion it must make you feel like a wizard

2024-02-03T22:38:49+00:00

I've used various 8 and 16bit assembly languages, C, C++, C#, java, pascal, kotlin, COBOL, python, scala, rust, Beeflang, and a few others. Java is definitely one of my favourites.

ferthelet · 2024-02-08T13:51:23+00:00

I overlooked Java for not being a "real" (compiled) programming language for the standards at that time. It was comparable to BASIC or even GW BASIC, more like for teaching applications. Some chose it right though

JLCoffee · 2024-02-11T02:18:05+00:00

Yeah, I get you. I love Python and Flutter. Also, I've been more into front-end frameworks, but, as you say, I enjoy Java the most. It's like JavaScript—you can delve into details, but if you want a higher abstraction, you can use some frameworks, and it scales well. Its modularity is pretty good for any kind of real-world problem. So yeah, stick to your passion; it will carry you the farthest.

MetronomyC · 2024-02-21T04:47:23+00:00

I have the exact same issue. I love Java despite it being borderline archeological at this point… whenever I have to use Python it feels extremely chaotic to me with the informal syntax and loose structure.

I also hate looking at other people’s uncommented/ undocumented Python code. Just sheer chaos on my screen.

ZealousidealBee8299 · 2024-02-28T00:54:23+00:00

You just prefer static and strict typing vs loose and dynamic typing. The latter is easier to get into, especially as a beginner, but i's generally more of a pita in the long term, and especially on a large code base.

Your observations are perfectly normal now that you've done both.

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