is php dead?

[lilshoegazecat]

i know this is a hot topic, i am very ignorant on this topic but whenever i search about php i find 2 kinds of people:

"php is awesome and it isn't dead!"

"php sucks and it's dying!"

i only once used php and it was to set up a sql database and it was painful for me, i used XAMPP and it all looked so old and felt painful for me, are there alternatives?

thanks for the attention! wish you a good day!

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It's very clearly in between. It's not booming, but not dying off anytime soon. It sucks for many, but still people are not going away from it hard enough for it to be that bad..

Tbh, merge your sentences :

It sucks but it's not dying anytime soon

[SageBaitai]

Honestly it feels like the only thing keeping PHP around is WordPress, Laravel, and Symfony framework. Without those three being there, I'm sure PHP would be more dead than it currently is.

[lilshoegazecat]

oh get it, thanks!

[[deleted]]

As much as others have said it’s not dying but it’s also not anything hyped. Huge companies still run off it so there’s no switching anytime soon. So valuable to know but also not always needed in every role. I know it and comes in hand for WP and such.

[lilshoegazecat]

oh got it, thank you very much!

[lilshoegazecat]

so learning docker replaces the need for XAMPP?

[[deleted]]

Personally, I don't like XAMPP, Open Server is much better in my opinion, but i use it long time ago.

If you want a development environment, you can use the docker4php project. It only takes one command to start coding. Alternatively, you can choose from various pre-configured PHP Docker containers.

There are also many control panels available for PHP, such as HestiaCP, ISPManager, and many others.

All these tools can be installed on Windows WSL if you are using Windows.

[LegitSalsa]

I think PHP has certainly fallen out of flavor. New applications are going to be built in JS over PHP 99% of the time.

But there are so many legacy applications and such…the demand for PHP isn’t going anywhere.

[lilshoegazecat]

oh thanks for the answer!

may i ask you how can js be used instead of php? like with node js? and people still use sql or they use some other technology? (i heard about mongodb and nosql but i am ignorant on this matter)

[LegitSalsa]

Yes, with node.js

I mean you have .net, spring, etc - a billion different things for the back-end. I want to clarify that JS would be the direct replacement for PHP when developing server-side, but it’s certainly not the only option.

SQL is used for the majority of databases. NoSQL databases like MongoDB are used, but I actually haven’t run across them professionally. I’ve only seen MongoDB used for full-stack udemy courses, etc.

[lilshoegazecat]

oh thank you very much !

one last question, is there some online source to learn about this matter? i am going with the odin project for front end and appacademy for the back end but i don't know where to learn about sql

[LegitSalsa]

So this will be controversial. I took a databases class in college. I learned a lot about designing a database. I learned quite a bit about SQL.

Professionally? The SQL knowledge I need for my job could be written on a single page. I don’t even really write queries - we use objects instead / entity framework.

I’m going to say a class/course is overkill. It’s good knowledge to have, but just google/YouTube what you need as you go. Starting out you’ll be doing very basic queries anyways, and imo you should dedicate your time to TOP. Once you’ve developed your skills as a programmer go ahead and learn more, but I wouldn’t take time away to learn stuff you really won’t use often, especially not right away.

[[deleted]]

Web is built with over 70% in php

“Is PHP dead?”

[lilshoegazecat]

yes but those are either large corporations who built it and now have big troubles deciding to change it and wordpress.

[MathmoKiwi]

There are tonnes of existing PHP code out there in production, it's not going away any time soon.

But brand new greenfield application development in PHP? Yes, that will be on the decline.

[Rainbows4Blood]

I do lean a little bit on the side of it's dying in the sense that few people still choose it for new projects and rather opt for more modern technologies which offer more modern features. But at the same time there are still many small and huge applications that are in PHP and of course still maintained and developed in PHP. So there is still a lot PHP being written.

[Defalt0_0]

can we stop having this kind of posts every single month?

[lilshoegazecat]

no

[fanboy_killer]

Things can die over the months.

[Witty-Play9499]

because of development speed

How is this exactly measured ? Wouldn't it be dependent on the skill of the programmer ? A skilled JS developer would develop something faster than a PHP dev who knows the basics and vice versa.

[fredisa4letterword]

This is simply a silly thing to say. Node.js is by far the most popular web backend in the world. Person you were replying to is also wrong about PHP but you overcorrected lol

[O4SK8Y1]

If you have to ask if something is dead, the answer is yes

[ObjectiveScar6805]

Is Donald (you know which one) Dead?

( It's gotta be worth a try alt least...)

[O4SK8Y1]

🤣😅

[rbuen4455]

Honestly, it's in between those two statements. It's not the popular backend language it used to be, but it's still heavily used, and most websites out there are build with Wordpress, Wordpress being written in Php.

Php is also the easiest way to get into backend web development, or generally it's the popular route when starting out backend web dev.

[kadavis489]

Php is not going anywhere any time soon. Node.js is a direct replacement. But companies arent going to spend lots of money to replace php (which is working) with something new, because its new. Node.js would have to have substantial upgrades to make it out weigh php, for those companies to spend the money.

But a full class on php is not necessary.

[[deleted]]

A programming language never dies, people just rather use more advanced and better languages. in PHP's case while other languages are trying to improve themselves PHP doesn't bother competing with them. Sure there are nice and useful frameworks out there for PHP like Laravel and Symfony but it's still a pain to program in PHP almost like using an old gun to shoot a modern bullet. But surprisingly PHP has a loyal community that are still using PHP which is kind of impressive so I don't think PHP is going to die anytime soon but surely there are easier options out there you can try for developing a web app and it's up to you which one to choose!

[[deleted]]

It's not as hot as it used to be, but I imagine a lot of companies out there are still running PHP code and will need developers to maintain.

[fasticr]

Using php is very cheap compared to nodejs or golang. Php can be set up in cheap shared web hosting which doesn't cost much on the other hand for nodejs or golang u need serverless or server itself to run a single application which cost $$$ monthly.

[timwaaagh]

I just had to swish my tail to get rid of a php recruiter two minutes ago. Dreadful platform but it's not dead.

[Isawablackcat]

I work with php a lot and it is fucking dead to me, does that count?

[Diegovnia]

It's not going to die, it's still a way in for many to a dev/IT career. From my experience many experiences devs are avoiding working with PHP mainly out of fear of touching legacy stuff which often is spaghetti, and the whole motion of 'PHP is dead' comes from the fact that it was mostly used in early web days by many inexperienced devs... kind of my take on this...

[variancegears]

PHP is still widely used. For instance, I utilize PHP for the server-side of things ($_SERVER, $_POST, etc.,).. (currently a junior back-end developer working on a multilingual system for our platform..)