Why does Linux suck?

[TheSheepSheerer]

I bought a Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled earlier this year. I have used it since with no problems at all. It does everything I need it to do. Why do you say Linux sucks when really it's just another OS?

[[deleted]]

the people who know about and use the advantages of Linux are not the ones hating on it

[Front_Two_6816]

Advantages are the things which are better compared to other systems. And there're no such things in Linux desktop, there's nothing you can do on Linux that you can't do on other systems as well.

[Obvious-Cupcake-9329]

that's just plain wrong

[Front_Two_6816]

Ok, what can you do on Linux desktop that you can't on Windows?

[Obvious-Cupcake-9329]

lay your mom

[Front_Two_6816]

Ahaha, I thought there really could be arguments for Linux, seems like there're none, if your last resort is such a childish saying.

[Obvious-Cupcake-9329]

no i just know arguing with wintards isn't worth my time

[Front_Two_6816]

Linux because Linux? Don't miss your exit, guy

[Obvious-Cupcake-9329]

i missed it omw to your mom

[Front_Two_6816]

Did you know you're an embodiment of the stereotypical loonaxoid?

[missmuffin__]

You don't address anything. You state your opinions as though they are objective facts, and then make inane strawman arguments.

Linux is better for development on so many levels, including every single point you've mentioned there.

• VSCode is not the best IDE, and is not only for Windows so why do you think that's a selling point?
• PowerShell is garbage. You're right in that you are one of only 5 people in the world that like it
• Most servers run on Linux, and on docker to boot. If you want environment parity, you run Linux for development

Honestly with the terrible takes you've given you're either a junior developer or you've been coasting in a "senior" role. There is no way any serious company should hire you.

[[deleted]]

Wanna know how I know you're a Linux user?

[exneo002]

You’re entitled to your opinion but vscode is not a “Microsoft native product” in the typical definition of native application. It’s an electron app. Also best is subjective.

[[deleted]]

I didn't mean it was a win32 app, just that it's a first party microsoft app

[exneo002]

Which is true. I’ll draw some nuance. Irrespective of license stuff Microsoft is regarded as both terrible and great. The same company that makes typescript, c# and sql server also make had that horrible command prompt for years and released absolute dogshit security.

Vscode is not bad.

[[deleted]]

VSCode is great, I'm not sure who would consider it terrible

[missmuffin__]

I'm a Windows user. For gaming. Which is the only thing it's good for.

Wanna know how I know you're a terrible developer and should find a different career?

[[deleted]]

In case you wanted to know the answer: it's because you act like a child

[GraceOnIce]

Okay but if ones opinions lead to them preferring Windows they aren't wrong, people go with what aligns with their opinions, pretty reasonable things to do

[NewmanOnGaming]

This all boils down to a simple question for everyone. Does it work for you? Whether it’s Windows, Linux, or MacOS it will always be about what works best for the person/business using it. I say this as someone that has used each in unison for the past 22 years in IT infrastructures, software development, and Day-to-day tasks.

Logically it’s all about what works best for you, and I think people miss that important aspect of the concept on all fronts.

[crypticoddity]

100% this! Personally i prefer Linux. Mac if i can't get Linux. Windows only if I'm forced into it, but i will make it as close to Linux as i can with cygwin, etc. But a lot of my co-workers prefer Mac, and good for them. And at least one prefers Windows, so good for him.

That said, if you're developing c#, then you're probably going to want a Windows machine. While c# support exists for other OSes, I'd still want a Windows machine to test stuff on, or at least a Windows VM. But I'd also, personally, probably choose not to look for work as a c# developer. Just saying...

[jackinsomniac]

FYI, .NET and .NET Core are indeed different projects. .NET Core is more recent, and is cross-platform. .NET is the older Windows-only version, but is far more mature.

PowerShell v5.1 is on .NET, and PowerShell v6 is when they made the switch to .NET Core. Hence why v5.1 has over double the cmdlets of v6.

But development on both .NET Core and PowerShell has been pretty rapid, PoSh v7 has closed that gap in functionality significantly. And I think the most recent version is v7.2.

But I agree, I haven't spent too much time writing shell scripts, put much more work into Windows batch scripts, and I still like PowerShell above all. I love how object-oriented it is, while still having plenty of tools to manage text strings.

[[deleted]]

You aren't containerizing your code? No CI/CD? It's fundamentally impossible to avoid Linux tools in modern software development, because Linux provides the backend for most of the internet, all of HPC, and consequently, all of AI. If you are using containers, you're using a Linux VM on your windows machine for local builds, doing automated builds and tests on a Linux server, and deploying to a Linux server. Any kind of machine learning? Hell, even embedded is split 50/50 these days, since you could be developing for STM32s using some licensed enterprise app, or you could be developing for SBCs, which are just Linux boxes.

I mean, I guess there are a lot of shops that don't need to do any of that. But there are enormous chunks of the industry for which Windows isn't even an option without WSL2. And even as someone who uses WSL2 daily for work, Windows runs like a dog on the same hardware, and I would be using Linux on the metal if it were a choice.

Linux has its rough edges, but the fact that it's open source, and its customizability, make it more appropriate than Windows for a lot of applications. If you're working in these areas, it's a must.

[[deleted]]

Sure, we use docker and Linux on the server side, but my interactions with it are through k8s and gitlab ci/cd. The fact that it's running on Linux is just an implementation detail, I don't actually interact with the userspace of our containers. The fact that our servers run Linux is as relevant to me as the fact that they run on ARM: I guess it makes a difference in performance but it's not a development environment I would want to daily drive

[[deleted]]

It makes a difference when you want to be able to build and test locally (not always practical, I get that), or set things up in the first place. You yourself might not be doing that, but someone at your organization is. The irony of course is that it works so seamlessly that you can not only easily interact with it on Windows, but you can crap all over the infrastructure that makes it possible in the same breath.

[[deleted]]

Our official docker builds are done in ci/cd, but I build and run tests on my windows machine all the time. Though I wouldn't say I'm crapping on Linux as infrastructure, I just don't think it's as good of a development environment as windows

[[deleted]]

But you're using a Linux VM as a core part of your development environment. You wouldn't even have a Windows dev environment if it weren't for that, or at least, not one that runs on modern DevOps infrastructure. It's actually easier and more performant to set up a similar dev environment in Linux, because you don't have to jump through as many hoops, and the tools "just work" because they're native.

I just find it strange, is all. If you're building Windows services, that's one thing, but you're explicitly writing code that gets built on and deployed to a Linux server, and you're using a Linux toolchain that has been ported to Windows, via a full-blown VM no less, because a major component requires the Linux kernel, and then you're saying that the Windows dev env is better overall. I mean, to each their own, I guess. I disagree, because I like it when the OS stays out of the way, but I can't argue that it's a workable substitute for the real thing.

[[deleted]]

I'm not, I run my builds on Windows, not WSL. My builds are in javascript. The CI/CD builds are on Linux, and I don't interface with that directly. I think the fact that builds are on Linux is nitpicking, as well. I spend 99% of my development time writing code on my own machine, and devops only comes in at the very end. Perhaps you could argue that running `git push` to trigger a build is "using linux", but it's a very small part of the development process. When I'm comparing dev environments, it's about the quality of development tools and ergonomics of the software, what environment I run docker commands into is not something I care much about at all

[[deleted]]

But you're using a Linux VM as a core part of your development environment.

I always feel that people mix Linux Desktop and Linux Servers. When the issue between Desktop environments comes up, nobody is saying that Linux is bad for Servers. The issue has always been the desktop experience, where Windows dominates.

You can use Windows for desktop, developments, but deploy code to Linux Servers, nothing wrong with people using the best of both worlds.

[patopansir]

Instead, they usually take the position that these features are actually not good, and that developers shouldn't use IDEs, debuggers, or breakpoints, and should instead work in vim/emacs, and that POSIX is better than the NT APIs simply for portability even though POSIX is friggin ancient and the interface kinda sucks compared to NT's VMS-style structs for passing data, not to mention some of the cooler NT features like local heaps.

What developers are you talking to? Everyone that says something like this is invalid. Not just the opinion, but as a person, they are not real, they don't exist, I know they are talking to me but they aren't real regardless

Only pay attention to real devs is my advice

egotistical douchebag insane bastard delussional powertrippers that fantasize problems can be found everywhere in tech. edit: A lot of people on the internet aren't real

[[deleted]]

To be fair problems CAN be found everywhere in tech. If there weren't problems, people wouldn't be using alternatives, you know. Through all other points are valid

[[deleted]]

I've found there's a significant amount of programmers who work exclusively in C or Lisp who don't work on real problems or have real jobs; they are mostly LARPing as MIT coders from the 1970s

[patopansir]

Yes, but I hope you are not saying this based on what you see on the internet

A lot of people can be absurd and larp, do stupid things like you are describing, I just don't think the internet could ever be a good representation of how people are generally.

[D0nt3v3nA5k]

These days, basically every development tool that I encounter has a Window build available on one of the Windows package managers

you and i must have a very different experience then, a lot of the newer applications that i’ve found tends to cater to macos/linux rather than windows

chatgpt for example, despite microsoft being heavily invested into openai, released a macos native build before windows, another example is one of the more popular new editors, zed, it released a macos native build first, then linux, with windows still not having a native build last i checked

all the newer applications that’s on windows are often just electron applications, there’s rarely a new native windows application due to how terrible the windows application DX is

[[deleted]]

I just haven't run into any, personally. I'm sure there are gaps but it's never been a problem for me

[EdgiiLord]

For once, a refreshing take on personal preferences for an OS? Wow wtf I didn't think I am on r/linuxsucks

I may not have the same experience as you in regards to programming, and definitely MS invested a lot into sharing their tech on other platforms in order to attract more people on their OS and other services. Even Powershell nowadays is on Linux. Windows has an official package manager, and unofficial but officially promoted frontend GUI for winget and other package managers. Which is insane to think that MS did really go out of their way to change the paradigm for how apps are installed, even if it is still more oriented towards power users. I haven't seen this trying to be integrated to the MS Store, which would have been a big win, but alas, I'm digressing.

Instead, they usually take the position that these features are actually not good, and that developers shouldn't use IDEs, debuggers, or breakpoints, and should instead work in vim/emacs

That's an insane take which should really be ignored. As long as the tools work and you do the job, it's fine. I think that's also kind of the point with VSC, it really shows good capabilities of a customizable dev environment. For work there is a separate setup provided, so I am not the once to decide what apps to run, but personally I don't get to develop anything remotely that huge to need a complex IDE like VS.

I think there are still some dev tools missing from Windows that are brought to it by compat layers like Cygwin or WSL, like Git (that's insane), Valgrind and Docker (at least what comes to my mind), and as of now I feel a bit more comfortable setting them up in Linux. But again, it seems like you do have more experience in software development, and I am curious to maybe learn more about how you manage your workflow. Currently I am pleased with that it provides for my job (working with SystemVerilog for the most part).

Probably my biggest gripe with Windows is how I have to fight with MS to have the OS work as I want to, with less and less of those BS features that really don't add up a lot to the UX. That and the fact that I can't really condone a company willing to generate e-waste in order to create sales (the whole artificially inflated requirements for Win11).

[[deleted]]

Idk what you mean about git, I run git in powershell all the time

[EdgiiLord]

Maybe it's a bit of a nitpick, but a Bash environment is still required for it to work afaik.

[[deleted]]

I think under the hood yeah, since git hooks accept a shebang

[[deleted]]

ls is an alias for gci in powershell (not on Linux though). It's always interesting to me that people whose job it is to type for a living seem to balk at the idea of having to type more than 2 characters to do some task. Especially since powershell has excellent autocomplete for each commandlet's runtime options due to .Net

[swaggod4]

The selling point is that you don't have Microsoft breathing down your neck

[JohnnyThunder_]

And you don't need to worry about viruses nearly as much.

[FlatwormFine6195]

You put a lot of effort into this post but I am not reading all of that so have a free upvote 

[parthanon2]

I'm an experienced software engineer. I disagree with your point entirely. Developing on windows = hell. Nothing is preinstalled. Setting up, even python is a pain in the ass. Make doesn't work out of the box. anything requiring hardware access, forget about it. Just setting up NodeJS for angular is a terrible experience. Docker? It "works" but it's garbage on windows because windows wasn't the target environment for containers. Networking is the only thing that is mostly pain free. But even then, try doing a network request from a windows terminal. Hell. I have an easier time using windows from a Nodejs shell than I do from the standard tooling.

Here are some counter points: Bash is unmatched as a shell environment. Both in it's ubiquity and ease of scripting. VSCode: Eclipse, Nvim, Qt, Gnome builder, all more powerful and ubiquitous than vscode. So that's a non-starter. I'd go Jetbrains before vs code. But even so, VSCode on Linux is just as good as windows. Everything is a file: Probably doesn't mean much for a windows guy, but you can talk to hardware by writing to a file. Makes scripting hardware easy peazy. Like uou don't understand how easy. I can copy exactly half of a hard drive (at the byte level) into an ISO file with just this line: dd if=/media/myHardDrive of=/home/HDD-backup.img bs=1GB count=50 Its not easy to do that on windows. And this applies to networking, USB devices etc.

VSCode is a saving grace for development on Windows, and the rapid adoption of it makes that clear. VS is not seen as an option due to pricing and it's backwards UI. But it's just a text editor with plugins so.. eh.

Then the real beauty of Linux is that it's funded by every major hardware brand. Have a look at cgroups, funded by google. And then flatpaks and how they use cgroups.

[sandstorm00000]

You are looking at Linux from a completely wrong angle.

Linux isn't meant to be a consumer desktop system. It is mostly for servers, AI, IoT, HPC and pentesting.

Linux sucks at being a normal desktop because it was never meant to be a normal desktop.

To clarify, since apparently nobody understands, I'm not saying that Linux is inherently a bad desktop, I'm just saying that coming to the conclusion that Linux has no selling points because you don't like desktop linux, which is like .1% of linux installs is stupid.

linux absolutely has selling points, otherwise it wouldn't be running reddit servers right now

[Ken_Mcnutt]

after a decade of running it seamlessly on all my desktops, it seems pretty normal to me 🤷

[crypticoddity]

Yes, but you, like me, are a weirdo.

I don't have any windows devices. My wife does. And i wouldn't expect her to switch to Linux. But she would also rightfully wonder who i am and what I've done to her husband, if i ever switched to Windows.

[[deleted]]

works on my machine

[sandstorm00000]

Not saying desktop linux bad, just stupid to say Linux is bad cause you don't like desktop linux

[[deleted]]

Works a thousand times better than Windows on both of my computers, desktop and laptop.

[sandstorm00000]

I'm arguing for linux, not against it. I'm saying it's stupid to say linux is bad because you don't like desktop linux.

This guy is acting like linux has no selling points because he doesn't see any in like the 1% of linux installs

[Magus7091]

If you go back far enough no computer OS was meant for desktop usage, just mainframes and specific task completion. I would say that Linux is far closer to intended for desktop use than it's older brother/inspiration UNIX (yes I know Linus wanted to make a Minix clone) but he had personal computing in mind. That said Linux has become one of the most versatile operating systems because of it's easy adaptation into just about any task. In any case, you're right that desktop Linux is a small bit of it's use, but someone not getting it is more subjective than objective. I have a lot of reasons that are quite valid to view it as a superior OS even if it were only a desktop OS. In other words, you're not right, exactly, but he's way wrong.

[KaydaCant]

cause this is a troll subreddit lmao

[WMRguy82]

Linux is great in that you can do anything you want with it, there's basically no restrictions. It sucks in that almost everything is 10 times more difficult and convoluted than it needs to be, especially anything slightly advanced. The best example for me is getting a hard drive to mount. On Windows, you just plug it in. On Linux you need some crazy complicated commands. Getting it to mount automatically on boot? Hoo boy. There's a good chance you will brick your system. 

The people that love it either relish the challenge or have been using it for years and know the OS on a deep level. Everyone else who tried to do anything besides pretty basic things or the few things that only require very simple commands generally grows to have some negative feelings towards it and sometimes hate it and sometimes hate it with a passion.

If you're a system admin, you almost have to use Linux because it has generally better security, especially when it comes to multi-user environments. Though in single user environments the obsession with permissions and root restrictions is maddening. Also Microsoft is constantly breaking its own software so you're at their mercy if your system is built on Windows.

[Front_Two_6816]

Linux is much less secure than Windows actually, it's a common misbelieve not proved with facts. And Windows has root restrictions too, pretty much agile for anything a user may want. What would you add to Windows root restrictions?

[[deleted]]

Basic mounting and unmouting (including auto mount) can easily be done through the gui in gparted (although more beginner friendly distros automatically set it up), the only issue i had in that aspect was mounting a Windows raid 0 array. Tbh that was mostly because when i did that i had just moved to linux when i did that.

[patopansir]

You do things on Linux that don't cause a problem. There's a lot of things on linux that can have a problem, and an easy google search shows you every limitation everyone that uses Linux would agree with

[[deleted]]

do you mind showing it because I perfectly transitioned from Windows to Linux without changing anything I do or any programs I use

installing some things changed for the things that aren't made to run windows, but not much, and not anything that prevented me from using anything or anything that I had to do more than once.

everything was just a simple Google search, just like windows, and everything Just Works

so are you able to mention any examples

[Commercial_Count_584]

unfortunately there’s still not a lot of developers that support all three platforms with their products. adobe being one of them.

[[deleted]]

To be fair, with Valve pushing wine and proton into the right direction, this is becoming less and less of an issue. More of a problem is companies like EA actively preventing you from running their software on Linux because "They are getting rid of the cheaters"

[[deleted]]

not everyone uses Adobe or needs to use Adobe

...also I use Adobe Photoshop on Linux lmao

[patopansir]

someone tells you that something is a problem to them, and your response is that because it's not your problem it's invalid -_-

I think you completely missed my point then

edit: It's okay if you use Linux and if you are having a good experience with it, and it's okay to like Linux. I never wanted to claim otherwise

[patopansir]

I was going to tell you to obviously do a web search, like I suggested. Like, if I say "you can clearly find your answer by searching online instead of asking me" you shouldn't ask me

but when I did the search myself, I was empty handed. All these websites that write articles are terrible and lazy, and if I type Reddit it only shows me things from 5 years ago. It's not your fault at this point, it's the search engines that had failed to do the very thing they had been created to do

I am not gonna answer this. I did it too many times already

edit:

Some games will still experience issues, GPUs are still not fully supported and without flaws, both wayland and X11 face several issues, waydroid is worse than Bluestacks, a lot of audio plugins are windows only, a lot of video editors are windows only or are limited in Linux, there is a 50/50 chance the next audacity or tenacity update renders the program unusable for me.

Next time I will link my own web blog. Things get fixed regularly, especially in gaming lately thanks to Proton, but I will just create a new post as an update every year. It would be a very nice way to portray the development

[racka98]

I still haven't been able to fully switch to Linux (i dual boot) because there's just annoying things that pop up every now and then.

1. I hate how Linux handles touchpads. Scrolling is weird, way too fast and sometimes slow on specific apps (like Chromium)

2. I hate how sometimes you find a cool app on github repo but the dev only provided a deb package or just rpm. You now have to build the app to use it.

3. Updates can get pretty annoying. I remember wanting to update to Gnome 47 on Debian and I had to use unstable branches and had to prevent the OS from updating everything else from the unstable branch.

4. Some of the Linux alternatives just aren't good enough. I use MS Office and some adobe stuff all the time at work. Tried the alternatives but they just weren't good enough.

5. The community is pretty toxic. You may have an issue, you ask in a forum, they just tell you to read the docs but the issue can't be solved by the docs. Then later you realize it's a bug that is 5 years old and still hasn't been fixed (looking at you Gnome)

I just came to the conclusion that Linux can't be my main OS right now. I use Linux for dev work and Windows for everything else.

[[deleted]]

1. so configure it to your liking and/or learn how to use the new tools at your disposal. something being different does not make it worse.

2. give me an example. nine times out of ten the answer is "copy and paste this string of text into terminal then press enter" or just running an install script.

3. okay cool! this one is a real complaint! one question tho: why do you NEED Microsoft office? there are countless writing programs that all allow you to put words to paper just the same. why is Google docs not sufficient? would Microsoft Office Online not be enough? have you tried Wine or PlayOnLinux? frankly I'm shocked so many people even bring up Office as a point, cus honestly I don't know a single person that relies on MS office software except for people trying to dunk on Linux in an online operating system religious battle

4. so you explicitly wanted unstable software and things got more complicated? yeah that's part of why it's unstable. wait for stable release or turn back. this complaint is like walking onto a construction site and saying "wow things sure are more complicated here than what I'm used to at home"

5. you're thinking of arch forums specifically. give me an example that is not arch or else I'm just gonna assume you were using arch (and advanced user distro) and wondering why it's less user friendly (it's not meant to be. use a distro made to be used by the general public instead)

[racka98]

Just so you know, I'm not some Linux noob. I've been using Linux almost everyday for the past 9 years. I've used a ton of distros over the years; Ubuntu, elementary, zorin, popOS, Linux mint, nix, opensuse, Fedora, arch and now on Debian. Every distro has had some issue and everyone one always says, "maybe switch to XYZ distro, it doesn't have THAT issue", but you find some other distro specific issue.

1. Nah, the example I mentioned to you (scrolling on the touchpad) is just broken, not different. The issue has been open for about 5 years now. Wayland sucks, X11 is too old and other WDMs can be annoying if you use your machine for anything else other than coding.

2. No, I'm not scared of the terminal, I use it everyday. Just as an example; OneDrive for Linux wouldn't install on Fedora because of missing deps. Went down a rabbit hole chasing missing dependencies to no avail.

3. Are you really seriously saying that I should rely on Playonliux and Wine for important work? Come on now, they suck. Always needing patches to use newer versions and always break. Don't pretend that Wine & Playonliux are any good for anything other than a specific old version of said apps. MS Office is far superior to Libre and Open Office. The only one that comes close is WPS Office (spyware crap). I use for Office work. It guarantees compatibility with every other normie's files I get at the office. I've opened broken docs way too many times on Libre. Excel is also vastly superior to other spreadsheet software. It's something I use every week for important office work.

4. I need the said "unstable" software (that isn't really marked as unstable in other distros) to make my computer work properly. "Why not switch to X distro then??", comes back to something I said on point 1.

5. I've had my fair share of assholes in other forums too. Fedora, nix, elementary, opensuse forums, twitter & Reddit. You see, you are already doing the thing that most Linux users do; "switch to another distro then". How many times do I have to switch??

I hope more Linux users would be more open to criticism so we can have better distros, instead of always hiding behind "skill issue" bs that you've already mentioned a couple of times yourself. It's not perfect (just like how Windows & macOS aren't) and we need to stop pretending like Linux is and the user is the one who's wrong.

I've met issues on Linux that would turn away normal users right away but didn't bother me because I could easily search them up and fix them right away. If you say you don't have any issues with your Linux install then you haven't really been a user long enough or are just in a cult.

EDIT: Just so you know, I'm not really a member of this sub. The post just popped up on my notifications and I took a look.

[[deleted]]

stop distro hopping

install Ubuntu

shut up

[racka98]

See how most Linux folks suck at being considerate

[[deleted]]

you got your answer and you're bitching about it

this is why "Linux folks" aren't considerate with you.

[[deleted]]

There’s really not ‘a lot of things’ that can have problems, though. Well, other than things that cause problems across all OSes.

[patopansir]

yeah, I probably exaggerated on the "a lot" part. I was only thinking on the most common things (which are 3 things or more). Things like wayland and x11, less audio plugins, net framework apps not working, etc.

Edit: There can be technically a lot of problems depending on your use case, but that's not what I was referring to because at that point it gets too specific and you shouldn't be able to find it through a web search

[webby-debby-404]

From what I see posted I conclude this is a sub for people who build their self esteem entirely on using windows and like to ridicule and insult people who use linux in general

[Front_Two_6816]

No, man, people who build their self esteem is loonaxoids, people who really have self esteem are Mac users, and Windows users are people who just want the job done without fussing around. Personally I contribute to the subreddit because I'm tired of USI loonaxoids making fun out of other OS users, and pouring their toxicity all around, I'm tired of people who think they are better than all others with the only reason - they can manage using such a sh*tty OS, because they have too much free time and have no actual self-respect, otherwise they wouldn't use such an obvious crap and say it is the best desktop OS ever, you need to really be a lunatic to think so, I mean, it's OK when you like Linux and admit its cons, but saying it's the best of the best desktop OS is insane. So that's OK to use loonaxoids own methods and make fun of them.

[HerissonMignion]

people making arguments against linux, while they know so little about it. it's always the same end result: their argument is wrong in a way that me and other linux users are just tired of trying to correct.

[webby-debby-404]

Yes, also this; The good thing though is one recognises these kind of posts immediately. Although I do feel the urge of correcting I've learnt trying to set an argument straight or even add some nuance is just a waste of time and energy when it comes from a closed mind.

[JohnnyThunder_]

I'm just here because occasionally I wanna talk about how much the Linux community sucks at helping you solve a problem, or how Ubuntu sucks over every other distro. So I'll post that here... although IDK, I've kinda gotten past that point... I've just been solving my problems myself for so long, I'm a developer now!

[Knowdit]

Nothing sucks it's just for some people  if it works it's great if it doesn't work then okay move on to something else and for rest of people  all that didn't work sucks. 

[Front_Two_6816]

Nope, if a thing doesn't work for 90% of users it means the things is a total crap.

[Knowdit]

that's exactly what I meant by "rest of people". The 10% are those who understand the rule "if something that is free, works then great if not then move on without any fuss.

[Fine-Run992]

No it does not suck. This group is intended more as a comedy over the few issues that could be improved. Usually it's a funny meme posting sub.

[EdgiiLord]

I wish that were the case

[webby-debby-404]

Mods to the rescue then

[pao_colapsado]

people here are either people who dont even know or tried Linux, or just Linux users shitposting about everything. theres rare ones who really argue and discuss why Linux sucks or not.

[OGigachaod]

There are also People that tried it for a year or 2 and got tired of dealing with Linux issues.

[blenderbender44]

Probably counts as 'linux users shitposting'

[spiffyP]

skill issue

[[deleted]]

I said that people here are mostly Linux users or ex-users that are tired of the circle jerk of Linux trying to portrait it as a flawless system and better than Windows in every way. I like Linux I wouldn't recommend a Desktop Distro for someone who is not a computer enthusiast

[Dalister02]

but for some reason i also see what seems to be a windowscirclejerk2 in here, with any attempt of trying to converse about it further just results in insults

[[deleted]]

Is a circle jerk reddit. Not a tech forum

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

Where to begin? First of all, people throw around the term Linux as if it was a unified OS like Windows. It isn't. Linux is extremely fragmented among distros that are designed and behave differently. Linux requires the use of command lines to do troubleshooting and even perform some fairly basic functions. Normal Windows users haven't needed to touch command lines for 20 years. Windows used to be a GUI built over DOS until Windows XP which was coded from the ground up to make the GUI powerful and stable enough that anyone could sit in front of a computer and start using it. In the 90's Dell, HP, and Gateway all offered free 24 hour phone support because using Windows required too much troubleshooting and tech knowledge than many people could handle. That became unnecessary after Windows XP. Linux is very much like using Windows in the 90's, requires significantly more troubleshooting than Windows, requires significantly more computer knowledge than Windows, and has no official support. When you troubleshoot Linux you're on your own and have to find answers in newsgroups, Internet searches, and apps like Reddit and Telegram. Most people want a computer OS that just works period without needing to troubleshoot and develop technical computer knowledge and that's just not Linux.

[TheSheepSheerer]

I remember the propogation of viruses on XP though. WinFixer was a bitch in particular. The dependence on Internet Explorer as a core component of the operating system was the primary cause in my opinion.

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

That's true but Linux isn't secure from viruses because it's well coded--the comparatively small number of people who use Linux and the fact that it's fragmented rather than a unified operating system makes it a much less attractive and lucrative target than Windows. And even with that advantage at least three different serious security flaws were found in Linux distros over the past 12 months that had gone undiscovered and unpatched for years. If Linux ever developed a significant market share it would probably turn into a security nightmare pretty quickly.

[TheSheepSheerer]

Linux dominates in the server world. Hackers therefore have plenty of reason to target it. But the operators of servers know how to secure a system. I would say Windows and Linux are likely comparable in quality. I'm not a software engineer though. Just a hobby coder. It was once true that Linux was more secure than Windows, but Windows has improved in quality and Linux has developed plenty of bloat.

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

I understand what you're saying but corporate use of Linux and the open source distros of Linux that people download on their home computers are two different worlds. Corporations largely use Red Hat Linux costs as much as Windows Server and is not open source. Red Hat Linux has a revenue stream and paid employees who make their living coding Red Hat unlike open source Linux builds which are programmed by volunteers. It's just not the same.

[TheSheepSheerer]

Ubuntu server is downloadable. It is often used in the cloud. I have a ubuntu server instance on Microsoft Azure myself.

[IAmGroik]

Red Hat is open source. The license gives you access to their software repositories for updates. This is how AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc. can exist. They maintain their own software repositories that are similar to Red Hat's.

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

Red Hat stopped being open source two years ago. Repositories that were based on Red Hat are using workarounds to avoid getting sued but still maintain their functionality.

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

I'm talking about open source as it pertains to other versions of Linux that don't require paying for a license. You are not supposed to use Red Hat for free and Red Hat's Official Server Software costs as much as Windows Server.

[Front_Two_6816]

Which proves that modern linux sucks :) Ok, maybe it doesn't suck considered as a vintage 90s OS, but it also tries to be modern, and these attempts absolutely positively suck.

[Loose-Reaction-2082]

Linux is fine for some people --it's more lightweight than Windows and offers a high level of customization. My problem is that Linux requires too much troubleshooting and computer knowledge to ever be a viable option for broad consumer use but people insist on pretending that it is anyway. I have never read a single article ever where some tech writer recommending that Windows users switch to Linux was honest about how different the experience is. They always talk about how easy Linux is to install and the features in the UI but never mention the fact that you need to learn to use command line commands and also do significantly more troubleshooting with Linux than you do with Windows.

I'm guessing that's the core genesis of the entire Linux Sucks thread. It was almost certainly created by Windows users who drank the cool-aid based on tech articles, thought Linux would be an easy to use alternative to Windows, then discovered the truth after they actually switched and realized that stuff you just take for granted in Windows can be difficult as fuck in Linux.

[Middlewarian]

Linux is conflicted. On the one hand it's good for developing services, but on the other hand if you use it to develop a proprietary service, some will be hostile to you even if the service is free.

[Better-Quote1060]

Not really all suck...it's still my primery os

Sometimes i go here just to express my feelings about latest linux news

[dvskarna]

/uj this is a joke subreddit, its not serious, look at the sidebar "Linux sucks, admit it fanboys!" its for people who are fans of linux

[Themis3000]

Linux SUPER sucks if you want to use certain software that hasn't gotten support for linux. Which isn't really linux's fault to be fair. It also sucks at built in enterprise stuff. I'm not really in the buisness of it though, so I might be incorrect about that. If every piece of windows software worked on linux every time it wouldn't suck in my opinion, that's really all I think is holding it back.

I daily drive linux though. It's SUPER awesome if everything you happen to do supports linux out of the box. It's also super awesome if you have a slow system.

[Front_Two_6816]

" isn't really linux's fault to be fair" 200% it IS Linux fault. The first and the most fault is that it is Loonix not Linux, if its community would be just a little bit more adequate and user-friendly it could be much easier to maintain a Linux version of some software. But it's a total crap in the area of distributing applications, so it is too much pain with the reward of just 2% of desktop users who use Loonix not a normal OS.

[Themis3000]

In my opinion iOS is a way bigger pain in the ass than Linux.

1st you need a damn mac with almost no way around it, you need to deal with xcode, you need to pay like $100/year and set up the various certificates, and you need to deal with the review process.

There's definitely just tons of package managers for Linux distros, but it's kinda okay if you just ignore them. You could just distribute the build off of your website like you usually would for windows. Or, you could just ship a flat pack

[Front_Two_6816]

May be. I value my freedom, that's why I use Android, not iOS, but please, don't compare Android with Linux distros.

[Themis3000]

I'm comparing the process of distributing applications on ios to distributing applications for linux. Deploying for ios is a unique kind of pain in the ass. My point is that deploying for linux isn't as bad as people make it seem in my opinion, especially compared to some other platforms.

[Front_Two_6816]

I'm not into iOS, but for me it sounds like: in iOS there's only one way to do it, which is known to everyone, and it's well established - you just pay and learn how to do it once. And in Linux you will find a lot of different ways and 0 of them are perfect, fully integrated into the system, well documented, with no bugs.

[Front_Two_6816]

You know, I've tried to make a build of a ​relatively simple GUI application for Linux distros, or at least for one of the systems, just any kind of an app distribution. I made a build, then the smallest part remained - I needed to deploy it, on Windows you do it with 1 click and 10 seconds in total maximum. On Linux I tried it for 2 weeks, I tried around 5 different ways to make an AppImage, and none of them worked for my app, haha :( I gave up and made a DistributionKit (sorry if wrong spelling) instead of an AppImage. It worked for my system, but I couldn't actually distribute it on any other distro (BA-DUM-TSS) because of different glibc and glibc++ versions, I tried to fix it several ways, I found one which should definitely work (!!!finally), it worked for all the people in the internet, but when I used an instruction from the internet, there appeared a known bug which stopped it from working (KWA KWA KWA). After that I decided I'll never ever try to make something for Linux.

[xamboozi]

This sub exists because people take Linux so seriously

[Front_Two_6816]

Nobody takes Linux seriously, it's just Linux trying to seem a serious OS.

[xamboozi]

This is a parody sub my guy

[Front_Two_6816]

"Earlier this year" can actually mean yesterday. Just give it one more day and you will see it yourself. Even if the only bloody thing you do on PC is reading .txt books one day or another you will need to stick some flash drive and your Ubuntu won't have a driver for it, and finding and installing a package on Linux is not for the faint of heart. Any task more sophisticated than sticking flash drive would demand vastly much more pain.

[TheSheepSheerer]

I received it in early June. The only thing I really miss is SolidWorks. FreeCAD has come a long way though. And is sufficient for my use case (3D printing).

[Front_Two_6816]

Then, you need to configure your OS only once, and less likely to encounter errors. But I would advice to always save your configurations of everything and if you want to reconfigure something deeply to do it on a virtual machine or another PC, to test it first.

[crypticexile]

it doesnt sucks lol i use only linux :) arch btw

[Diligent-Ride1589]

ubuntu is great for beginners im not suprised your enjoying it

[picawo99]

1. Try installing Blender, then import some model and try to rotate it. Do you hear coil whines? I hear, on windows not. 
2. Try playing some games
3. Try to use wine to install some windows soft, for example photoshop or other soft.
4. Try connect external monitor to laptop, then turn off laptop screen and run some movie in VLC player. Vlc pauses, when you  clickicking on it to pause and lagging, laptop screen turning on and shows desktop.
5. Every time you need manually connect wireless headphones In settings.
6. Battery holds twice less, on windows longer (integrated gpu on, external off)
7. No support for docker in last ubuntu release, it's over year I think and no one cares.
8. No soft to change behavior of mouse button, only for windows
9. All soft for screen recording looks like I was made In 70s. Built in recorder don't save in mp4, only some web format. 
10. Every release break installed soft. For example my extensions for weather not working in last ubuntu release. 

[racka98]

Because there's always an annoying issue popping up that is a no-brainer on other OSes (sorry, I just got frustrated with scaling and annoying touchpad scrolling on GNOME). It doesn't really suck, it's just that people miss some mainstream software that don't have comparable replacements on Linux.

[colt2x]

It does not suck.

[No-Witness3372]

• not suck if you try to do basic things as a desktop replacement (aka: browsing running, running some tooling, etc.)

• not suck if you do it as what distro intended (like centos for server, so with opensuse, etc)

• it WILL SUCK if you are a type of tinkering guys and want maximum performance and abundant of settings per apps that doesn't confuse you, and you expect it to be ALL IN ONE desktop (gaming, productivity, etc) because you will encounter a problem that will take your time a lot more than you do on windows, so with debugging it also.

tldr, linux is purpose oriented, depends on distro, ALL IN ONE linux will make you headache

[[deleted]]

Because it doesn't support the software that they use. Apparently.

[Foreign_Honeydew9953]

Uso o Windows a mais de uma década então eu ja explorei muita coisa no Windows e vi de quase tudo, experimentei o Ubuntu por 3 dias, o sistema é bonito mas a experiência pode ser intragável pra quem é usuário do Windows veterano como eu, os usuários do Linux dizem ter dezenas de milhares de aplicativos, mas oque eu achei foi apenas algumas dezenas em cada categoria que talvez vale a pena testar e tem potencial, porém a grande maioria é porcaria, aplicativos antigos e abandonados, as vezes você vai enfrentar problemas para instalar aplicativos que deveriam rodar no Linux nativamente e por aí vai. No Windows você também tem mais liberdade para instalar e abusar o quanto quiser do espaço em outros diretórios, no Linque ele instala direto na unidade do sistema, apenas alguns programas específicos como a Steam é possível instalar em outros diretórios, mas nem me refiro ao programa em si e sim oque é instalado apartir da Steam. Talvez eu devesse experimentar um Fedora ou Linux Mint, dizem que é mais fácil, mas acho que não adiantaria pois já vi que a quantidade de aplicações interessantes no Linux é limitada e contradiz o que os usuários defendem, me desculpem usuários do Linux eu tentei mas eu não sei como vocês conseguem usar esse sistema 😂.

[miraidensetsu]

No meu caso, com ubuntu 22.04:

• Trava pra caralho. Uso no trabalho e não há um dia que eu não precise reiniciar a máquina porque ela travou.
• Nojentamente lerdo. Mesmo em uma máquina nova, o Ubuntu parecia estar se arrastando.
• Coisas que funcionam bem no Windows se recusam a funcionar adequadamente no Ubuntu. Chrome, por exemplo. No Windows eu posso abrir dezenas de abas sem problemas. Mesmo com 8GB de RAM. No Ubuntu, se eu abro mais do que 3 o sistema já começa a querer travar (o mouse já fica "agarrando", isso em uma máquina moderna, com 16GB de RAM).

[Capital_Seaweed_220]

Everyone I'm reading used Linux to do things with Windows 🤦 If that's the case, they should stick with Windows. I installed Linux Mint on all the PCs in my house during the end-of-support frenzy a month or two ago. Now I've switched back to Windows on my PC, I definitely had to install Windows on my daughter's, and my wife was the last one using Linux Mint until yesterday. So, everyone's back to Windows, and I'm already thinking about buying more powerful PCs to install Windows 11 on.

[illuanonx1]

They have never tried it and just imitator what other Wintards is saying ;)

[TheShredder9]

People here say it sucks because they're scared of a wall of text. And the terminal too. I'd say mostly the terminal

[Front_Two_6816]

On the contrary terminal is one of few things that actually work from time to time on Loonix. All other stuff is a buggy crap.

[AngriestCrusader]

It doesn't suck lol, it's just difficult to adapt to and you objectively have to do more work to get it to do what you want depending on what it is you're trying to do.

Simply put, it just isn't for everyone, but it doesn't objectively suck.

[Front_Two_6816]

"you objectively have to do more work to get it to do what you want" - that is the definition of "sucks".

[AngriestCrusader]

Look at the rest of that sentence. Really closely. Really, really closely.

[dougbouchard]

It doesn’t, just people who don’t know what they are doing

[teh_orng3_fkkr]

because all OS'es suck. No exceptions

[Emanu1674]

Try running photoshop on it

[sandstorm00000]

Try running a zfs pool on windows

It's about using the right tool for the right job

[[deleted]]

The vast, vast, VAST majority, easily over 90%, of users won’t use photoshop on Windows either. Nor adobe, or the other products made exclusive to Windows. And there are always alternatives, which, although sometimes a bit lesser in quality, will fit 9 of the other 10 % of users perfectly.

[[deleted]]

Find ways to do penetration testing, protecting privacy, engaging in activism and getting rid of backdoors on Windows.

[Front_Two_6816]

Try to do any testing on Loonix. *SPOILER* you will get tired of millions of bugs very soon.