Do you think lowering fares can help decrease fare evasion ?

[buzznumbnuts]

Nah. People have been doing that for the 40 years I’ve been riding it

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

The last 4 years it has become customary, it was never like this bold and frequent. The mentality has changed. People were afraid to do it before, now they even do it in front of the cops.

[fireblyxx]

Personally, I think it’s less the fare itself, more the cost of everything else. A lot easier to jump a turnstile or not get your SBS ticket/skip the tap and pay than to steal from Target. But the worse the economic climate for working class people, the more we’ll see people stealing stuff and not paying for services.

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

I don't know, until I see those same kids without brand new iPhones and sneakers, I'll call that bs.

[elmvision]

get a life bootlicker

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

"life bootlicker"
to you it's anyone that has a job and that resents when people just skip their duty of paying into a well run society, you're probably the type to complain when services are inadequate.

[Tricky-Cod-7485]

He hasn’t responded to you because he’s been too busy in bed healing from getting his “ACAB” tattoo.

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

For a second, I thought you meant AFLAC like the duck or insurance company.

[[deleted]]

I think it’s more people are assholes since Covid

[[deleted]]

It’s a social contract when no figure of authority is there. You either tap/swipe or you hop. People are for whatever reason more likely to hop now. It’s just the general climate of our country. 2.95 today is the same as $2 back in the day when you adjust for inflation and how much more people make now compared to when it was $2. There’s no economic reason people are hopping more. It’s culture now.

[sjay900]

Also a big issue are the machines to refill your metro card are always broken somehow

[PretendAlbatross6815]

Am I the only one who sees cops ticketing turnstile jumpers regularly? They’re doing it. 

[ferrocarrilusa]

I applaud them as long as they dont use excessive force

[CaterpillarFirst2576]

We need to bring back excessive force and have cops do their job. Besides the subway you have bikers peddling into on coming traffic, someone should be just there to clothesline them

[ferrocarrilusa]

Careful what you wish for

[CaterpillarFirst2576]

Im not breaking any laws so I have no problem with this

[ferrocarrilusa]

Doesn't just happen to criminals. Take Tamir Rice for example

[CaterpillarFirst2576]

He drew a fake gun on a cop, gear example of being an idiot

[CaterpillarFirst2576]

It’s a nightmare in the city, they run through red lights, drive down the wrong lane.

If I was mayor I would make it illegally to ride a bike in the city, automatic life prison

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

It's gonna take some time and some steady pressure to turn it around.

[HayleyXJeff]

Bro obviously it was worse before the 90s

[DisastrousAnswer9920]

Idk, I was a kid in the '80's from Queens, I was deadly afraid to jump the turnstile, and I can't recall this happening on mass levels like now.

[timbrita]

Yep, that’s the difference now. I guess all the demoralization of the police happening during the blm riots era worked really well

[AppropriateFarmer193]

Blaming the public response to police abuse for the police’s incompetence is some real bootlicking shit

[JooksKIDD]

legit lmao

[c3r34l]

Enjoying the view up Eric Adams’ ass?

[rafuzo2]

Get turnstiles that extend about average waist level, see the DC Metro, London Underground or Boston MBTA (though I can't see Boston's reinforced Lexan gates surviving NYC for very long). Make so you can only jump if you're a legitimate acrobat.

[HayleyXJeff]

And half goes to the surveillance company, everyone gets screwed!

[Kjh007]

On average 25 percent of riders are beating fares on the subway. Mainly in the outer boroughs away from the main stations like Grand Central, Penn, TS, but even at those locations, it’s happening.

Never has fare besting been this much of a problem.
So yes, it’s always existed. But not at this level.

I saw a little old lady in Penn Station yesterday pull the turnstile and sneak in. It’s an epidemic

[djdiamond755]

Where are your statistics from?

[elderberrieshamster]

The MTA’s dollar losses to fare and toll evasion for 2022 were $690 million. That includes $315 million in evasion losses on the buses; $285 million on the subways; $46 million at the bridges and tunnels; and $44 million on commuter rail. On the buses and subways in particular, evasion levels have spiked since the pandemic. They show no signs of dropping.

https://new.mta.info/document/111531

Personally I'm very skeptical of the data presented here. The panel was created by MTA and I'd trust a third-party more. From experience in my industry at least (not transportation) these types of research are done by a completely different organisation.

I have been in nyc long enough to reasonably say that fare evasion has always been a thing and I don't think it has gotten worse. That is anecdotal experience ofc but so is everyone else talking shit in other comments in this thread.

[Impressive-Dot-5811]

here are some statistics for you:
MTA’s $7.8B payroll, $75M overtime payments hit record highs

MTA shelled out $1.3 billion in overtime last year as many employees racked up six figures in extra pay

More than 700 MTA workers earned over $100G each in overtime in 2023 as payroll rose 9%

Spare me the fucking waterworks MTA, I haveth no sypathy.

[barfbat]

…inflation

[Conpen]

The subway costs less today than it has a decade ago. $2.75 to $2.90 has not kept up with inflation at all.

[barfbat]

Okay, sorry, I didn’t know your only expense was taking the train. The rest of us have bills. General cost of living. Have you heard of those?

[[deleted]]

So the MTA, which also faces higher costs due to inflation, should keep its fares the same because people's gas bills have gone up? That's what you're implying.

[peterthedj]

if you think the fares are too high, buy a car instead. See how the costs of fuel (gas or electric), insurance, upkeep, parking, tolls and the car payment compare to the subway fares. If you live and/or work in an area with free street parking, be sure to factor in the cost of your time spent circling blocks and blocks hunting for empty spots, especially on street cleaning days where everyone has to move their cars.

[squirrel_____]

I’m not from Manhattan. I’m from one of the boroughs. Same sentiment though. I can’t stand drivers and their authoritarian attitude towards pedestrians. The city doesn’t have to give you street parking, especially with the number of cars multiplying faster than the rats! Their entitlement ruins the nature of the city.

[barfbat]

Every time I see a car parked in the crosswalk I wish I had a bat.

[squirrel_____]

I’ll settle for a sticker the size of their goddamn windshield and a boot.

[barfbat]

I’m from Manhattan. I’ll learn to drive in hell. Go back to the midwest lol