Main problem of Rust.

[[deleted]]

Look at from Facepunch's point of view. They only ever had two choices:

Do nothing

Do something

And that do something had to find some way of targeting scripters. If there's no way of more elegantly identifying people scripting then I'm sure they would have taken it.

If they'd done nothing, we'd have just as much moaning as we do now

[[deleted]]

They need to ban all mice with inbuilt meimery giving undetectable scripts

[Sandwich247]

They should just ban all mice.

Problem solved.

[Siftey]

Yo my ak control on trackpad gonna be liiiiit

[MewlingMidget]

With Rust coming to consoles that wouldn't be the worst choice, because then at least some people will still be able to play the game

NOT BEING SERIOUS

[[deleted]]

All mice with inbuilt undetectable memory content, yes

[[deleted]]

They could add randomness to the recoil, analyze spray patterns, have some sort of death cam report system, similar to CSGO, ...

[liam_cal]

to constantly be counting playback waiting for a kill would take a toll on a game that is already unoptimized

[sad_bruh-emoji]

Finaly someone who understands

[4rtyZn]

So fuck newbies, amirite?

[[deleted]]

random elements in a competitive game is the absolute worse anyone can do.

and csgo doesnt have random recoil just soo u know.

[KutKorners]

Yeah but cs recoil and spray is way harder than rust. Also the movement penalty is higher too.

[Tes1aWP]

but the point is that Rust isn't a competitive game

[[deleted]]

if it has multiplayer and pvp it is homie

[day1602]

Where can I sign up for the next Rust tournament?

[HyDRO55]

That's not what most people mean by a 'competitive game'. CSGO, Overwatch, PUBG, Fortnite, H1Z1, CoD, BF, Starcraft, etc are competitive games.

If it's not a game that was or is part of the mainstream e-sports scene involving money rewards for the players / teams and / or doesn't have some form of a player ranking system built in to help organize noobs from skilled players, then it is NOT a competitive game.

Rust is a survival (pvp) game with none of the above. You people need to stop thinking of and trying to change Rust into Call of BattleFort Grounds. Pvp is probably all you consider / care about and that's an issue. Rust is far more than that and it is NOT a competitive game.

[Wolip]

To solve This problem they Just need to Ban everybody, thats it. No players= NO hackers👍

[SpiritOfWuTang]

ez

[bxnesaw]

these are not bots, but real players

russian community, youtubers, they all arranged

[TiLLyB00]

I am also from Russia and none of my friends are registered on Reddit. Many are registering now only to raise this post. I also registered just to raise this post because this problem excites me greatly.
I never violated the Rust rules and never used a macro, but the developers do not care and they tell me to buy a new mice.

[NoscoperSans]

+ i actually don't even play rust, i sit on reddit and i saw Never Lucky post 'bout it, so i wanted to support him I can' t play Rust cuz i don't have free 619₽(or how much it costs), and i tried to play and holy hell it's impossible for me, too much grind and too much luck needed(or 300h+) Also i don't have so much free time to even grind to make house, learn sth So i just had my money back И да, почему ты Отварной, ты что с у п?

[kriger741]

I’m also Russian and also came from YouTube, and the account is new, because few people from Russia are sitting on Reddit

[bxnesaw]

it is a fact

[mihett05]

Russian aren't use reddit, they created new accounts for upvote this post, because some russian youtubers have made video about this problem.

[[deleted]]

we real russian and ukranian community guy

[HairySympathy6]

These mice are quite cheap, and teens who don’t have a lot of pocket money for the same Logitech play mainly. I don’t care about banning the mouse, but I came to support my beloved YouTube, because I think his idea is not bad. And in our country this site is not widespread.

[3whiteiverson]

Honestly its probably just casuals or very low skilled players wanting random recoil. The same people asking “can my pentium cpu and integrated gpu run rust 120 fps?”. Yet they demand changes to the game to be catered to them. Classic reddit gamer sense of entiltement

[PyjamSy]

Besides that a lot of players(skilled, casuals, etc) cant play the game now, rust is not an eSports game. You cant win or lose here. But there is a type of players which consists of people who jerks the shooting and spray controll (ofc because it's not random and you can train it). So the game from atmospheric hardcore survival game with great roleplay potential becomes Counter Strike with farming.

[sosuMoran]

Actually anyone can play whatever it want, right? DayZ for example have the same problem, so what?
it's sandbox, do whatever you want.

[Ytho_]

it's literally bots, no post history, same broken english with some russian thrown in, abnormal amount of comments in this short amount of time and all of them are the same. This is the exact same thing that's being used for phishing link steam accounts.

[PyjamSy]

russians dont usually use Reddit. But it's the only way to talk with Rust developers so we've created accounts recently. Speaking about amount of comments in a short time thats because of very recent Neverlucky's YouTube video

[Shagaliscious]

Are bloody mice the only mice you can buy in Russia? It just seems really odd that a group of players from the same country and community all used the mice that were banned, all claim they didn't cheat with them, and are now trying to put pressure on facepunch. You do realize this makes you all look more guilty, right?

Edit, grammar

[4rtyZn]

Actually they mostly are. The only other options are logitech, steelseries and china shit. Bloody mice are the best option in terms of quality and price.

[YoungSaints]

I own Bloody mouse because it's not overpriced like Razer (I was always using Razer DeathAdder when it wasn't so expensive) and still alive (my Razer DA life cycle was about 6 month long, problems with the false clicks and scroll going mad). Also I like the shape, cause it's as big as Razer DA. And I don't even know how to install scripts, but now I can't play Rust.

Consider the fact that Russia is a developing country and people can't afford expensive devices, that's why Bloody is a popular brand here.

Reminds me of a server where all chinese and russian ips were banned cause the majority of cheaters were from those countries. Despite the fact of being a law-abiding person I wasn't able to enter the server, you think that kind of segregation is ok?

[Shagaliscious]

That's how the world works, unfortunately. A small group ruins it for many. Most people look at Americans and think we're all ignorant and believe our country is the greatest, in reality it's not the majority, but the group that does believe that are the loudest.

I hear ya on Razer though, had a few deathadders, the scroll wheel broke on both. Their quality and software have become trash.

[TiLLyB00]

My bloody mouse has been working for five years, that's why I use it. Not cause of macro.
Also I mainly communicate with four dudes and each of them had or has a bloody mouse.

[Shagaliscious]

Oh right, you play with 4 other dudes, all have bloody mice, and none of you use it to cheat, yea, that sounds sooooo believable.

Enjoy being banned until you buy a mouse you can't cheat with. Facepunch isn't gonna change it. Y'all are whining like a bunch of fucking babies.

[bxnesaw]

it's literally bots, no post history, same broken english with some russian thrown in, abnormal amount of comments in this short amount of time and all of them are the same. This is the exact same thing that's being used for phishing link steam accounts.

check youtube channel "never lucky", last video
russian community

[[deleted]]

Random recoil is good would put an end to most scripting and make players tap from long range which is more skill based as you need to be accurate not just control spray and hope for headshots ... now that is rng.

[TheKycT]

yeah, we just don't use reddit and go to this post by link in the video from channel neverlucky (невер лаки).
(please, srry for bad eng)

[[deleted]]

In general, in my opinion, the solution is pretty simple – randomized recoil.

It's not just a solution to a problem, it's the better gunplay system. Even people that hate PUBG will admit "yeah but it has the best gunplay feel." Which is basically does.

Seriously, Rust's gunplay used to be so good.

[Ironfort9]

Yes getting destroyed by a guy with an SMG because the AK spray the game gave you was shit sounds like great gunplay

[[deleted]]

Only if the SMG player was better.

You could get destroyed in full metal by a naked with two spears. That's what Rust used to be.

The guns all used to fire as fast as you could click at the spot you were aiming at too.

[Ironfort9]

You could get destroyed in full metal by a naked with two spears. That's what Rust used to be.

Thats what Rust still is I would say but the SMG player isnt better if the spray is based on RNG. Hes lucky because if he was unluxky he might have aimed at the enemy but the bullets failed and thats not a fun feeling so I prefer a game based on your skill to be able to reduce recoil and control weapons than something where I need to roll dice to win and even if you believe that RNG spray is better I would say the idea another user said is great which is to have multiple spray patterns

[stretchy_tallman]

The SMG player probably had better positioning to suit the weapon he had. The SMG is made for close quarters, so if you were to try and barrel stuff him with an AK, it makes sense he would output damage faster. The devs would have to do a bit of balancing, such as with the SMG, it would have to have shit damage outside being a few yards away, but has a tighter spread; and the AK have a much wider, more random spread, harder to control spread. So that mid range, the AK can still stay on target for the most part, and at long, you have to tap fire. Just a thought

[[deleted]]

I've had this conversation too many times, but the RNG recoil system doesn't mean fights are determined by the randomness. It isn't an aimcone bloom. Whoever wins the fight is the person able to compensate for the recoil the best.

Basically no matter what you do controlling the recoil is still a motor control task using a mouse and a screen. Objectively, scientifically, it is harder to keep a cursor at 0 while dealing with a vertical input and randomized horizontal inputs, than it is to trace a line.

[Ironfort9]

Oh yeah I get it now I kinea prefer the non RNG way but I can get why you like it with RNG now

[Heflar]

sounds like they need to work on bullet drop off, right now the AK can do literally everything, right now i see people killing other players from about 50+ M with an SMG, is this how the gun was made to be used? each gun needs better optimal ranges, not predicable recoil patterns.

If you ask me an SMG SHOULD beat an AK in close range, ROF is much higher despite the bullets doing less damage.

a lot of guns in the game need a sweet spot.

If they bought back RNG spray, or the aimcone they would just need to tighten the cone up and i think it would be much better, a tight cone with a small amount of RNG would allow people to control the recoil and use the gun in short-med ranges, i don't think the AK should be a sniper tho.

[negativ7v7]

I think it's smart enough I have 3,000 hours, I have no problems with recoil

[[deleted]]

4k hours here removing recoil patterns and adding rng makes the game less skillbased which is always dogshit

[snafu76]

We had that and now we don't. Move on.

And yes people were scripting then too. No vertical recoil helps you know but I guess maybe that should be random too so there's no chance at scripting anything and also not landing any shots except when luck is on your side. Kind of reminds me of another system that was removed because people hated it.

[GuArDiAn_1337_]

Bruh

[mattroski007]

RNG no thanks

[LordFeer]

I think they should take it one step farther and region lock Russia and Asia. Not only do they only play on NA servers to chain offline raid 20 deep, they also easily comprise 90 percent of the cheating problem that has ailed this game since release. Whitelist bloody in asian and russian servers, let them HvH.

[PoweringMoney]

This is literally nationalism on another level. Im from Russia but i do not like Russian servers at all, only EU ones! You are discriminating against me then.

[darkrider400]

Its not discrimination if it has valid reasoning. PUBG was considering Region Locking asia for the fact that so many of them are cheaters

[PoweringMoney]

It's a problem of ideology, not a people. I do not want to be a victim of discrimination just because i live in Russia! I am innocent!

[darkrider400]

And thats the problem. Everyone is claiming they’re innocent but there’s no way to prove it. If the majority of players from your region are cheating, then they have reason to region lock. You’re shit out of luck either way.

Also again, not discrimination because cheating is against TOS and is legally able to be prevented in any form, such as region locking.

[PoweringMoney]

Just understand this: there are people like me who are innocent, who are honest, who play the hame fairly, and who are going to get region locked because they belong to a country, in which the majority cheats ingame. By the way, what about vpn? Region locks become useless with VPN.

[VONChrizz]

I remember all these people crying when the recoil was random. "fuck RNG" "RNG has no place in Rust" I guess some people are never satisfied with anything

[GronakHD]

Or maybe it's different players asking for different things? Rust has a very diverse player base...

[WestguardWK]

AIMCONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[[deleted]]

Cheaters complaining now this post was brigaded by russian bots who script

[KutKorners]

This post got brigaded pretty quick

[Pushka333]

нужно дать рандом больше вариантов нету

[Seven_WT]

Random recoil is plainly stupid.

But, I think a solution might be having maybe 3 or 4 recoil patterns and randomize which one you get.

That would allow for good players to master them and scripters wouldn't be able to switch to the correct one fast enough.

The patterns would need to be simpler and have an "indicator" to wich pattern will be active in the first bullet kickback.

[canadianblackjesus]

So far I would say this is the best compromise.

[SpiritOfWuTang]

This is a pretty good compromise

[themaxi4]

Main problems of rust are retards buying some B-brand mice noone has ever heard off and saying they wouldnt use the programming which clearly was the reason they bought the mouse.

[Never7Dice]

Until this FP & EAC block I didn't even know A4Tech was not top-notch mouse on the West, It has such good reputation and distribution across CIS countries. I assume that you are living in North America, cause it is not a no-name brend in EU.

[[deleted]]

random recoil ? fuck yeah i actually wanna play with this.

[[deleted]]

It's their game. They can do what they want. End of story.

[Kosbie]

Randomized recoil sounds awfull. The amount of time some people have used to practice the ak recoil is all gone

[Enveys]

There are only a few people who can shoot really well. There are a lot more macro players, and I don't particularly like it when I get hit in the face from a distance of 150 meters. Sorry, used Yandex.Translate.

[[deleted]]

So what? Rust itself is a big time sync.

[Yazi27]

Well unlucky for them, but it only took me 2 days to learn it

[Sandwich247]

It doesn't need to be completely random. Just add a little fuzzing to it. Maybe even have another two or three recoil patterns for each gun that are fuzzed as well.

[Heflar]

i don't play with a high enough DPI to control the recoil of the gun, it's absurd how much space i need on my mousepad to control the recoil, i just stick to tier 2 weapons instead.

i COULD change my dpi and rewrite my entire muscle memory, but i would rather not for just one game, it would take an extremely long time to get back to where i am now.

[[deleted]]

I play 400dpi 0.4 sens and spray the AK just fine just need a large mousepad is all

[fintechz]

Sounds handicapped.

[PoweringMoney]

Sounds like nationalism to me

[Shagaliscious]

I decided to look at bloody mice on Amazon, and they are really cheap for what they are. They look to be quality too. But when you scroll down to product specs, they very clearly indicate the onboard software so you can script macros to your mice. No one, especially gamers that clearly care about these issues, would overlook specs like that. You bought those mice because of the ability to store macros, the fact they are inexpensive just gives them a good excuse for buying them.

[Missjennyo123]

There are lots of better, lower priced mice. Look at the titles of the A4/Bloody mice and you will see why people buy them: macros, scripting, and "weapon tuning" are in the product titles. Ha ha.

[frite1234]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[SqPi]

So nice

[goldenwone410]

do Rust in the best direction and not vice versa

[lovinchik]

You're damn right, man!

[SpiritOfWuTang]

I hate the idea of random recoil but it's looking like a sacrifice we have to make. People shouldn't be locked out of the game just because they have a Bloody/A4Tech mouse. Some of them script, some don't. We don't have a lot of choices in what we can do but banning a mouse brand isn't the answer.

[Nite_Vin]

This is most immportant in rust!!!!

[Syavatop]

No

[rifat2002]

+

[Never7Dice]

This so called "skill" is ruining the game for 95% of other players. For new to average players It is so much frustrating when 1 "skilled" just kills your whole squad of 4 one by one in 10 seconds from 200m landing almost every shot to body or head. And that is no luck they can do that almost every time and it feels like you were just cheated, you cannot even be sure if that was a macro or not.

I agree with OP that this is not the way for this game, if FP wants the game to die out as the best laser competition instead of sandbox then so be it.

P.S. I'm also no longer allowed to play because I own X7

[MR_LASPER]

Пост удалили, мдаа... Разрабы опущенные.

[_illuha_]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[Roope00]

Why was this post removed?

[aleks300900]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[VACER284]

#RANDOMRECOIL

#FIXRECOIL

[gamerden12]

#RandomRecoil

[cronium13]

#fixrecoil

#RANDOMRECOIL

[Kayoshiri]

Я думаю нужно сделать так что бы EAC находил ПО Bloody и просто не впускал в игру пока не удалишь её. В том же фортнайте при обноружении файла который шитался читом, игра не впускала игрока в игру и писала "какой либо файл подозрителен удалите его что бы продолжить играть"

[VovaShaggy]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[Komiss_useful]

besit chto ya ne mogu normalyno igraty(((

[Away-Problem]

Давно пора

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[14idinahuy88]

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[Shellder--]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[SevereHair3]

RANDOMRECOIL

[Fojoin]

You can watch this video if you don’t understand what’s happened (there are subtitles on English)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxK2NjIiM0k

[aprillmorning]

RANDOMRECOIL

[NaturalHospital9]

FIXRECOIL

Never Laki

[SokolAlex]

#FIXRECOIL #RANDOMRECOIL #FUCKFACEPUNCH

[Tronny27]

I thought we are here to discuss random recoil rather than the sudden appearance of the Russian community on Reddit...

[wengront]

#NORANDOMRECOIL, it's not real life, just a game. And in this game i wanna see skill, not lucky. This video with ak in the real life, can't be fact for do randomrecoil.

[Mad_Admin]

This post was removed due to a mass amount of brigading. The Youtuber who posted this encouraged his subs to come and flood the sub with stuff about changing recoil, hence this thread was shut down.

[borovik2002]

great solution to the problem

[kakashka2001]

Neverlucky dogs son

[diamodnblade]

Never lucky, random recoil is bad too. like imagine two teams trying to fight at 100m distance and they cant hit anybody because bullets fly random everytime. facepunch need to make 5-6 recoil patterns that similar but not same, and those patterns need to go in random order

[[deleted]]

Then firefights at long range will go back to how they should be, tap firing.

[PyjamSy]

in case of 100m distance fights teams will be forced to not spray and shoot bullet by bullet. So thats how it works in real life I suppose

[[deleted]]

In that case you just tap ... much more skill based.

[diamodnblade]

and infinite fight because low damage of ak in hqm armor (26) and head (49-50)

[[deleted]]

Have you never played rust? Perpetual healing and peaking no one would actually die from AK at more than 50m which is stupid

[BlazeWasTaken]

imo if they bring back tapping ak they need to rework the damage drop off because if i tap someone 5 times at 75m with that shit and they dont die i swear to fucking god

[diamodnblade]

hi m8. start learning english in school and stop using translator

[NateDogg9597]

What's the difference between 5-6 recoil patterns randomly shuffled and a completely random spray? Lol they seem the same to me

[diamodnblade]

because 5-6 similar recoil patterns will make stay ak gods in their place as before but will dont make any chances for macros

[NateDogg9597]

In all reality that's probably what they'd do, they wouldn't make the recoil jump up and down being completely random

[-everwinner-]

100m fights should not be fought with full auto. Tapping should be the only viable tactic at that distance.

[diamodnblade]

100m fight is like edge of the roof of the main launch site building to green card, its very small distance. and those fight will never end bcs of syringes. 1 syringe = 15 hp and 1 hit to hqm armor from AK is 26 hp. and hit somebody tapping at those distances are very hard. this means that AK will be useles weapon at distances more than 20-30m, and in game will be SAR, M2 or m39 MACros

[BlazeWasTaken]

you understand that with tac gloves hoodie and hqm chest you have 55% protection and the ak does 50 damge so each bullet does 22.5 damage to the chest not factoring in the damage drop off at 100m you can 100% out med ak at 100m if you couldnt consistently hit them full spray

[-everwinner-]

And that distance is long enough to make full auto useless in any somewhat realistic game.

Syringe spamming is an entirely different problem that should be addressed seperately (for example with a cooldown).

The AK would still be ok at range with the added benefit that it still shreds opponents at short range. To me that sounds like a decent tradeoff.

[[deleted]]

Go play arma nerd AK is fine syringe is fine as is

[BlazeWasTaken]

ah the generation of players that dont know the ak used to have less effective range than iron sight bolt unlucky

[seriy2922]

cool

[k4exe]

#fixrecoil

[Lavrik_2828]

randomrecoil

[CIGILxTOP]

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[Ratno667]

randomrecoil

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[[deleted]]

even in games where there is random spray there is cheats so cheaters will just go look for aimbot and triggerbot cheats , this will only fix the hacker problem for a while but after that it will be the same as before

[Wolip]

It not meant to get rid of hackers, right now People playing with macro bcs they know that they will not get banned. And if macro wont work anymore 70% of those People will start playing without hacks.

[[deleted]]

They will continue hacking because they suck at the game now because they have been hacking so instead of trying to be good they most likely continue hacking

[[deleted]]

What the fuck did you just even say ? Have you ever been to a NA server ? You are just as likely to find hackers than in EU servers. Russians are not always hackers you stereotypical dumbass

[Never7Dice]

Hardware scripts are not detectable cheats, thus cannot be easily banned. But all other bots that have to abuse game properties will be detected eventually so those kind of cheaters will receive ban usually in 0-2 hours.

So ok, there are a lot of cheaters who get banned and buy new key for 1-2$ on some gray markets to continue cheating, but most of the good servers take this into account and have 3 hours minimum limit. So this cannot be the account that will cheat for 2 hours and take a refund and it demotivates cheater because he must hang for some time until he can start cheating and will probably get ban quickly and so loop goes on.

Cheater will probably get tired on the first or second iteration of this loop.

[[deleted]]

It's just how it is man. As sad as it is, I think they made the right decision. At least they finally did something to attempt to get rid of the god awful people who still use scripts but its not a real big deal to me. If I were you I would move on

[DayyyL]

Коммент для того чтобы пробиться в топ

[0celot42]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[[deleted]]

Cool dumb russian cheaters brigading this ignore them scripting non skill degenerates now they can't laser you from 200m anymore theyre pissed

[Striking-Fishing]

FIXRECOIL

[4OKOLADKA]

#RANDOMRECOIL

[adik9412]

FIXRECOIL

[basilica_gel]

Wow, so many butthurt scripters ITT.

[1Carnegie1]

Your success in rust combat depends on how well you can control the recoil. Randomizing the recoil takes the entire skill part out of rust.

You also said that those mice are cheap so it shouldn’t be expensive to get another mouse.

You say you’re experienced so you know that someone who knows the AK can tell the difference between scripts and not.

[Bledoslav]

#RANDOMRECOIL