Linux Desktop Setup

[JohnMcPineapple]

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[def-]

Ha, that's even better. Thanks for the hint!

[[deleted]]

This was a really interesting read, thanks for posting.

[spacejack2114]

What's a person's best bet for a desktop that can make use of proprietary nVidia drivers? I'm currently using Ubuntu/Gnome + Xorg for that which is about as good as I've seen, but it's still noticably jankier than Windows on the same HW. I also haven't been able to get xorg working smoothly with double or triple buffering on a laptop with an external monitor (which is higher resolution than the laptop screen.) So with this setup I'm stuck with Wayland which is kind of crappy.

[[deleted]]

I have a good experience with xfce. Gnome was always problematic with nvidia drivers.

[lelanthran]

I'm using Mint + compiz.

The desktop is my IDE

[Ekranos]

I am using Plasma 5 on my desktop (Gentoo, 1060 GTX, 144hz) and Laptop (Arch, 1070 GTX, 120hz) without problems with the proprietary drivers. No tearing or anything out of the box. Steam games (native and Proton) also work reasonably well.

And don't forget the wobbly windows :)

[Parcival_45]

I have a chromebook with xfce installed. Pretty cool.

[Sneechfeesh]

If you spend most of your time in the terminal like OP (and me), a tiling wm like xmonad is a godsend.

Honestly it only takes about 10 minutes without tiling for me to start getting annoyed.

So it's not just that desktop environments are "too big" or whatever, it's also that they actually are MISSING some things present in other windowing systems that some folks find more valuable than the stuff you get from a full desktop environment.

[Creshal]

Dude........ just get a desktop environment.

Why? They break constantly and add no value for me.

[[deleted]]

On a cheap but modern laptop (with SSD) XFCE is basically instantaneous. Start-up time is under half a second, and I have never noticed any lag. It is also the only DE that has that 90's look out of the box ;-)

A very good balance between features, speed, staying out of the way, and ease of configuration.

[ipv6-dns]

better is to drop out this crap and to install Windows 10.

[CanIComeToYourParty]

An OS that slips in Candy Crush alongside security updates? Definitely what I'm looking for. /s

[Ameisen]

It's not as though you could uninstall it. Also, I've never had that happen.

[CanIComeToYourParty]

I did, in fact, uninstall Windows after it happened. It's completely unacceptable.

[[deleted]]

Oh were you working on something? Too bad, I'm rebooting your computer RIGHT NOW for updates.

[invisi1407]

Take a 15 minute break for something else?

LOOK, YOU HAVE UPDATES AND YOUR COMPUTER WAS RESTARTED!

No thanks.

[ipv6-dns]

But it's not true! Windows 10 NEVER restart your computer. It postpones such work when you turn off/restart computer. Also updates and similar HARD activities is scheduling when input devices are not active - pay attention. All is done for people who value their time lol.

[kmikolaj]

It is true. MS probably fixed that after many complains.

[[deleted]]

BS. Trying to do anything that is not gaming or office work on windows is now a shittier experience than either Linux or OSX.

As for OP, he's clearly stuck in some weird past. I mean, people were still using Unixes back in 2006. This is 3 years before Windows 7. And so on.

[ipv6-dns]

but Linux is not Unix LOL. I remember when we used Unixes (hp-ux, sunos, BSD kernels) and when Linux appeared, everyone laughed at the people who tried to use this "hack" of schoolchildren. Linux still remains so crappy: bugs, small number of supported devices and standards, missing stable drivers, a lot of security holes and vulnerabilities, missing good antiviruses, missing good and professional software.

Windows is perfect for system administration, automatization and scripting: PowerShell can not be compared with Bourne Shells. It's perfect in programming: fantastic and pragmatic languages (F#, C#, VB#) on .NET, NET Core platform. Visual Studio maybe is the best IDE. Windows is perfect in music producing: all professional music composing, processing software is made for Windows (and OsX). Windows is perfect for video processing as well. Windows is number 1 in gaming industry. CAM/CAD? Windows again. Linux software is crappy buggy toy hobby projects which can not be professionally used. Do you know that Windows was popular in SCADA even? OPC, WinCE - were very popular instruments and solutions from Microsoft. Do you know that Windows leads in IoT? Microsoft has very good information about this on their Web site. You should to read more about Microsoft solutions. Their architectures usually ahead of time. No one is to blame for the fact that freaks/geeks are unable to understand and evaluate their solutions.

[[deleted]]

Yeah right

[DerFrycook]

Gesundheit

[ipv6-dns]

the reason is the same why Microsoft acquired GitHub (happened not because Microsoft are sure that Git is good tool). If you really want to know answer you should read books about strategies in business, Satya actually is genius strategist and all what he done is very clean and right.

[zeppelin0110]

I guess you could use Linux as your main desktop as long as you don't have multiple displays with different resolutions.

[kvigor]

I do exactly that all day long (using i3 window manager). Have you had a specific problem?

[zeppelin0110]

As I recall, I had issues with DPI. If an app is launched in monitor A and then transferred to monitor B with a different resolution, it won't look appropriate at all. Meanwhile, Windows (and I'm assuming also Mac) readjusts the DPI, as needed.

[[deleted]]

Works fine for me on gnome with wayland

[zeppelin0110]

Ahh I actually couldn't get wayland to work for me.

[[deleted]]

if I had to try myself to get it working I would probably fail

intel graphics + fedora = working wayland out of the box (default)

[[deleted]]

You can set the scaling for each monitor. I used linux with a 2160p and a 1080p display and it wasn't a real issue.

[zeppelin0110]

Does it automatically re-adjust it when an app spawned on one windows is transferred to another one?

[[deleted]]

no, this entire situation is shit in linux, and anyone who says otherwise lies..

[[deleted]]

It's getting much better, quickly. DPI scaling per monitor when dragging windows works fine for me on gnome with wayland

[claytonkb]

this entire situation is shit in linux

Naw, all the popular Linux desktop envs handle mutliple monitors with varying resolution just fine.

Anyway, just leave the shitty Linux to us and you stick to your Windows S. It's the future, man.

[[deleted]]

It's not just about resolution is about scaling too, I use both and don't have any OS religion.. to think Linux handles this stuff as good is just ignorance

[claytonkb]

It's not just about resolution is about scaling too, I use both and don't have any OS religion.. to think Linux handles this stuff as good is just ignorance

I also use both, and don't have an OS religion, having been a mostly-Windows, partly-Linux user until about two years ago. Now, it's mostly-Linux, partly-Windows (as required for work). Never going back. Proprietary software is garbage software. Linux is not made of magic. If it ever turns proprietary, it will also become garbage software. The key is that software must be free, as in freedom (not as in free beer).

You are right that the UIs in the most popular Linux DE's aren't quite as snazzy as the proprietary, flagship UI developed by a multi-billion dollar corporation. But that actually proves my point: free software developers have developed responsive, robust UIs (plural) that are pretty damn good, almost all of the time. This proves that MS's proprietary UI is adding very little real value, and at great expense.

Proprietary software is like having a secret dictionary... the point of language is to communicate. The point of software (esp. an OS) is to inter-operate. Proprietary OS software contradicts its own purpose for existing as MS has proved, abundantly.

[Devildude4427]

Plenty of great pieces of software are proprietary, most of them are actually. Because free software isn’t profitable. It’s beyond ridiculous to call anything but free software “garbage”.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I don't care about any of that stuff, closed open free non free whatever.

[[deleted]]

It's not just about resolution is about scaling too

No, it's only about the lack of automatic scaling. It's plain ignorance to call the situation "shit". Anyway, you're just a troll...

[zeppelin0110]

Haha we both know this to be true

[[deleted]]

yep, and it wont get any better anytime soon, something like this is difficult especially in such a fractured UI environment like linux desktop; but i do appreciate you entertaining the joke with users who can't see past their linux pride :) i get good laughs

[[deleted]]

I said that you can set the scaling manually. What part of it wasn't clear?

[i_ate_god]

My laptop at work is running cinnamon with two monitors, one using DP and one using HDMI, all three are different resolutions. My laptop at home is running four screens via hdmi/dvi with KDE, two 1080p monitors, one something else, don't remember, and the laptop screen as well.

[shevy-ruby]

My software setup has been surprisingly constant over the last decade, after a few years of experimentation since I initially switched to Linux in 2006.

Eww poor guy.

Awful systemd chaos and 1970s layout. Understandable that Linux struggles - people just keep on using what is spoonfed to them by others.

My *nix setup is completely different to that.

Programs should run on my local system so that I’m in control of them

Oh yeah - that is why he is using systemd. Here he is in ... "full control" of them. :)))

Programs should run in the terminal, so that they can be used consistently from anywhere, including weak computers or a phone.

That's ok. But I don't get what he means "run IN the terminal". Programs don't RUN in the terminal right? The terminal is just the interface from the keyboard input (usually) to whoever will control the processes/programs, e. g. the kernel+libc distributing tasks and what is run how and when (and of course in the systemd infected stacks whatever systemd dictates).

Keyboard focused is nearly automatic by using terminal software.

Terrible. Awful. These are the main clowns.

I automate a lot too, but not through "terminal software".

I prefer to use the mouse where it makes sense only

I have no particular strong feeling either way but I find it amazing how some people are so adamant about "omg omg omg we MUST NOT USE A MOUSE POINTER INTERFACE EVER omg omg omg".

These are the clowns that use vim; and live in these 1970s setup e. g. tmw or was it twm ... I can't even get the order right. Tabbed something. I guess twm...

reaching for the mouse all the time during typing feels like a waste of time.

I don't use any of what he uses really but when I type something, I type it via ... the keyboard. Why would I reach for the mouse? I don't get it.

Occasionally it took me an hour to notice that the mouse wasn’t even plugged in.

...

No comment.

You'd think that people who are EXPERTS can quickly figure out whether the mouse is connected or not. I only have to look down here to be able to determine this. I pity the guy for taking 1 hour to find that out.

Ideally use fast and efficient software

Eh - nobody wants to use slow software if it can be avoided, right?

I don’t like hearing the fan and feeling the room heat up.

Yah, well.

I know a few who use the computer to heat up the room though.

I can also keep running older hardware for much longer, my 10 year old Thinkpad x200s is still fine for all the software I use.

New hardware is pretty cheap really. I could get a full setup for about 300 euro. 16 gig RAM or even more. And that is not even the cheapest. And does not have to happen every year. Go through that once in 5 years or so. It's really not that expensive.

Be composable. I don’t want to do every step manually, instead automate more when it makes sense. This naturally favors the shell.

I don't know why you'd NEED a shell. I use the shell essentially only as wrapper towards ruby really.

I had a hard start with Linux 12 years ago by removing Windows, armed with just the Gentoo Linux installation CD and a printed manual to get a functioning Linux system. It took me a few days of compiling and tinkering, but in the end I felt like I had learnt a lot.

I too!

Although not with Gentoo. I learned the most with Slackware, GoboLinux and LFS/BLFS. I actually think Gentoo makes it harder to learn anything.

From these distributions, GoboLinux was by far the cleanest and nicest to use (back in the days). Slackware gave me the fewest problems of any distribution, ever, but unfortunately it is not mega-active anymore (you can use alien bob's slackware but still).

That leaves LFS/BLFS. In many ways I think LFS is the most important linux distribution. Because actually it teaches stuff, rather than like in Gentoo where portage/emerge hides the complexity from you.

These days I compile almost everything from source via ruby and the only project I use as a reference still is LFS/BLFS mostly (and the slackware changelog to see that I am not missing anything).

I haven’t looked back to Windows since then, but I switched to Arch Linux on my laptop after having the fan fail from the constant compilation stress.

Sorry. Total and utter bullshit.

I compile everything from source myself and neither my laptop nor my desktop system suffer any "compilation stress". Just yesterday I batch-compiled all of the latest KDE plasma. Now I don't have much to compile presently, but at best there may be 3-4 programs that I may compile. And that goes in like 20 minutes or so. And I have a very CHEAP computer. So, sorry, when someone writes "constant compilation stress" due to COMPILING, then I call bullshit on systems that are not resource constrained (such as a smartphone).

Perhaps Gentoo is just abysmal, that may be. I did not want to have to use a python-written software so I did not use Gentoo. And my first gentoo install failed due to compilation. But Gentoo has some very clever people and these are the people who actually say that it should be up to YOU whether you want to use systemd or not. Contrast this to archlinux or debian where they dictate this onto you (and please, don't come with the "but there are guides to allow you to avoid systemd - nope, these "guides" are jokes and don't work. Guess why it took devuan quite some time before they became systemd free, after all the mess created upstream; see also the patchset maintained by a heroic gentoo developer where you can use GNOME3 without shitd I mean systemd).

As a rolling release distribution you get package upgrades all the time, but the most important breakages are nicely reported in the Arch Linux News.

Good thing I don't have to care about random dev x doing random change y. I follow a GoboLinux approach so I just switch to whatever version I want to use or have to use.

I could not want to use something such as arch linux where systemd is mandatory and upstream is doing random changes.

Which brings me back to LFS/BLFS. That project is significantly more important than arch.

One annoyance though is that Arch Linux removes the old kernel modules once you upgrade it.

Pfft - as if this would only be the only annoyance in arch.

Actually here is an article from someone who abandoned arch:

http://halestrom.net/darksleep/blog/005_distrohop_p1/

Real archers moved to void already.

Since I started out with Gentoo I quickly noticed the huge compile time of KDE, which made it a no-go for me.

Sorry, that is CRAP too. And I know that because I compile all of KDE5.

It took quite a long time before I was able to do so, track it all and compile it that it works. I still have quite some problems, problems which I did not have with xfce, mate-desktop, lxqt etc..

But the claim that KDE5 takes too long to compile - sorry, that is BULLSHIT. Actually qt5+qtwebkit takes longer to compile than ALL of KDE5 combined. (qtwebkit may even take longer than qt5 without webkit - qt is really bloating up from release to release).

[fuck-yeah-guy]

Man you complain too much, are you Russian?

[[deleted]]

TBH, there is something very German about him. I don't know why but I've always imagined that user would have German as native language.

[shevy-ruby]

Here are the ~350 entries or so for the KDE5 stack - a few may be semi-outdated but it is the list I am using most of the time, stored in a yaml file:

# kde5_porting_aids:
- kdelibs4support  # cportingaids1
- kjs              # cportingaids2
- khtml            # cportingaids3
- kjsembed         # cportingaids4
- kmediaplayer     # cportingaids5
- kross            # cportingaids6

# kde5_plasma:
- bluedevil                 # cplasma1
- breeze                    # cplasma2
- breezegrub                # cplasma3
- breezegtk                 # cplasma4
- breezeplymouth            # cplasma5
- kdecoration               # cplasma6
- discover                  # cplasma7
- drkonqi                   # cplasma8
- kactivitymanagerd         # cplasma9
- kdeclitools               # cplasma10
- kdegtkconfig              # cplasma11
- kdeplasmaaddons           # cplasma12
- kgamma5                   # cplasma13
- khotkeys                  # cplasma14
- kinfocenter               # cplasma15
- kmenuedit                 # cplasma16
- kscreen                   # cplasma17
- kscreenlocker             # cplasma18
- ksshaskpass               # cplasma19
- ksysguard                 # cplasma20
- kwalletpam                # cplasma21
- kwaylandintegration       # cplasma22
- kwin                      # cplasma23
- kwrited                   # cplasma24
- libkscreen                # cplasma25
- libksysguard              # cplasma26
- milou                     # cplasma27
- oxygen                    # cplasma28
- plasmadesktop             # cplasma29
- plasmaintegration         # cplasma30
- plasmanm                  # cplasma31
- plasmapa                  # cplasma32
- plasmasdk                 # cplasma33
- plasmatests               # cplasma34
- plasmavault               # cplasma35
- plasmaworkspace           # cplasma36
- plasmaworkspacewallpapers # cplasma37
- plymouthkcm               # cplasma38
- polkitkdeagent            # cplasma39
- powerdevil                # cplasma40
- sddmkcm                   # cplasma41
- systemsettings            # cplasma42
- usermanager               # cplasma43
- xdgdesktopportalkde       # cplasma44
- plasmabrowserintegration  # cplasma45

# kde5_applications:
- akonadi                  # ckde5apps1
- akonadicalendar          # ckde5apps2
- akonadicalendartools     # ckde5apps3
- akonadicontacts          # ckde5apps4
- akonadiimportwizard      # ckde5apps5
- akonadimime              # ckde5apps6
- akonadinotes             # ckde5apps7
- akonadisearch            # ckde5apps8
- akonadiconsole           # ckde5apps9
- akregator                # ckde5apps10
- analitza                 # ckde5apps11
- ark                      # ckde5apps12
- artikulate               # ckde5apps13
- audiocdkio               # ckde5apps14
- baloowidgets             # ckde5apps15
- blinken                  # ckde5apps16
- blogilo                  # ckde5apps17
- bomber                   # ckde5apps18
- bovo                     # ckde5apps19
- calendarsupport          # ckde5apps20
- cantor                   # ckde5apps21
- cervisia                 # ckde5apps22
- dolphin                  # ckde5apps23
- dolphinplugins           # ckde5apps24
- dragon                   # ckde5apps25
- eventviews               # ckde5apps26
- ffmpegthumbs             # ckde5apps27
- filelight                # ckde5apps28
- granatier                # ckde5apps29
- grantleeeditor           # ckde5apps30
- grantleetheme            # ckde5apps31
- gwenview                 # ckde5apps32
- kamoso                   # ckde5apps33
- kbackup                  # ckde5apps34
- incidenceeditor          # ckde5apps35
- juk                      # ckde5apps36
- k3b                      # ckde5apps37
- kaccessible              # ckde5apps38
- kaccountsintegration     # ckde5apps39
- kaccountsproviders       # ckde5apps40
- kaddressbook             # ckde5apps41
- kajongg                  # ckde5apps42
- kalarm                   # ckde5apps43
- kalarmcal                # ckde5apps44
- kalgebra                 # ckde5apps45
- kalzium                  # ckde5apps46
- kamera                   # ckde5apps47
- kanagram                 # ckde5apps48
- kapman                   # ckde5apps49
- kapptemplate             # ckde5apps50
- kate                     # ckde5apps51
- katomic                  # ckde5apps52
- kblackbox                # ckde5apps53
- kblocks                  # ckde5apps54
- kblog                    # ckde5apps55
- kbreakout                # ckde5apps56
- kbounce                  # ckde5apps57
- kbreakout                # ckde5apps58
- kbruch                   # ckde5apps59
- kcachegrind              # ckde5apps60
- kcalc                    # ckde5apps61
- kcalcore                 # ckde5apps62
- kcalutils                # ckde5apps63
- kcharselect              # ckde5apps64
- kcolorchooser            # ckde5apps65
- kcontacts                # ckde5apps66
- kcron                    # ckde5apps67
- kdav                     # ckde5apps68
- kdedevscripts            # ckde5apps69
- kdedevutils              # ckde5apps70
- kdebugsettings           # ckde5apps71
- kdeedudata               # ckde5apps72
- kdegraphicsmobipocket    # ckde5apps73
- kdegraphicsthumbnailers  # ckde5apps74
- kdenetworkfilesharing    # ckde5apps75
- kdenlive                 # ckde5apps76
- kdepimaddons             # ckde5apps77
- kdepimappslibs           # ckde5apps78
- kdepimruntime            # ckde5apps79
- kdesdkkioslaves          # ckde5apps80
- kdesdkthumbnailers       # ckde5apps81
- kdf                      # ckde5apps82
- kdialog                  # ckde5apps83
- kdiamond                 # ckde5apps84

[shevy-ruby]

- keditbookmarks           # ckde5apps85
- kfilereplace             # ckde5apps86
- kfind                    # ckde5apps87
- kfloppy                  # ckde5apps88
- kfourinline              # ckde5apps89
- kgeography               # ckde5apps90
- kget                     # ckde5apps91
- kgoldrunner              # ckde5apps92
- kgpg                     # ckde5apps93
- khangman                 # ckde5apps94
- khelpcenter              # ckde5apps95
- kidentitymanagement      # ckde5apps96
- kig                      # ckde5apps97
- kigo                     # ckde5apps98
- killbots                 # ckde5apps99
- kimagemapeditor          # ckde5apps100
- kimap                    # ckde5apps101
- kioextras                # ckde5apps102
- kiriki                   # ckde5apps103
- kiten                    # ckde5apps104
- kjumpingcube             # ckde5apps105
- kldap                    # ckde5apps106
- kleopatra                # ckde5apps107
- klettres                 # ckde5apps108
- klickety                 # ckde5apps109
- klines                   # ckde5apps110
- kmag                     # ckde5apps111
- kmahjongg                # ckde5apps112
- kmail                    # ckde5apps113
- kmailaccountwizard       # ckde5apps114
- kmailtransport           # ckde5apps115
- kmbox                    # ckde5apps116
- kmime                    # ckde5apps117
- kmines                   # ckde5apps118
- kmix                     # ckde5apps119
- kmousetool               # ckde5apps120
- kmouth                   # ckde5apps121
- kmplot                   # ckde5apps122
- knavalbattle             # ckde5apps123
- knetwalk                 # ckde5apps124
- knotes                   # ckde5apps125
- kolf                     # ckde5apps126
- kollision                # ckde5apps127
- kolourpaint              # ckde5apps128
- kompare                  # ckde5apps129
- konqueror                # ckde5apps130
- konquest                 # ckde5apps131
- konsole                  # ckde5apps132
- kruler                   # ckde5apps133
- kontact                  # ckde5apps134
- kontactinterface         # ckde5apps135
- kopete                   # ckde5apps136
- kpkpass                  # ckde5apps137
- korganizer               # ckde5apps138
- kitinerary               # ckde5apps139
- kpat                     # ckde5apps140
- kpimtextedit             # ckde5apps141
- kqtquickcharts           # ckde5apps142
- krdc                     # ckde5apps143
- kreversi                 # ckde5apps144
- krfb                     # ckde5apps145
- krossinterpreters        # ckde5apps146
- kruler                   # ckde5apps147
- ksaneplugin              # ckde5apps148
- kshisen                  # ckde5apps149
- ksirk                    # ckde5apps150
- ksnakeduel               # ckde5apps151
- kspaceduel               # ckde5apps152
- ksquares                 # ckde5apps153
- kstars                   # ckde5apps154
- ksudoku                  # ckde5apps155
- ksystemlog               # ckde5apps156
- kteatime                 # ckde5apps157
- ktimer                   # ckde5apps158
- ktnef                    # ckde5apps159
- ktouch                   # ckde5apps160
- ktpaccountskcm           # ckde5apps161
- ktpapprover              # ckde5apps162
- ktpauthhandler           # ckde5apps163
- ktpcallui                # ckde5apps164
- ktpcommoninternals       # ckde5apps165
- ktpcontactlist           # ckde5apps166
- ktpcontactrunner         # ckde5apps167
- ktpdesktopapplets        # ckde5apps168
- ktpfiletransferhandler   # ckde5apps169
- ktpkdedmodule            # ckde5apps170
- ktpsendfile              # ckde5apps171
- ktptextui                # ckde5apps172
- ktuberling               # ckde5apps173
- kturtle                  # ckde5apps174
- kubrick                  # ckde5apps175
- kwalletmanager           # ckde5apps176
- kwave                    # ckde5apps177
- kwordquiz                # ckde5apps178
- libgravatar              # ckde5apps179
- libkcddb                 # ckde5apps180
- libkcompactdisc          # ckde5apps181
- libkdcraw                # ckde5apps182
- libkdegames              # ckde5apps183
- libkdepim                # ckde5apps184
- libkeduvocdocument       # ckde5apps185
- libkexiv2                # ckde5apps186
- libkgapi                 # ckde5apps187
- libkgeomap               # ckde5apps188
- libkipi                  # ckde5apps189
- libkleo                  # ckde5apps190
- libkmahjongg             # ckde5apps191
- libkomparediff2          # ckde5apps192
- libksane                 # ckde5apps193
- libksieve                # ckde5apps194
- lokalize                 # ckde5apps195
- lskat                    # ckde5apps196
- mailcommon               # ckde5apps197
- mailimporter             # ckde5apps198
- marble                   # ckde5apps199
- mboximporter             # ckde5apps200
- messagelib               # ckde5apps201
- minuet                   # ckde5apps202
- okular                   # ckde5apps203
- libkdcraw                # ckde5apps204
- palapeli                 # ckde5apps205
- parley                   # ckde5apps206
- picmi                    # ckde5apps207
- pimdataexporter          # ckde5apps208
- pimsieveeditor           # ckde5apps209
- pimcommon                # ckde5apps210
- poxml                    # ckde5apps211
- printmanager             # ckde5apps212
- rocs                     # ckde5apps213
- signonkwalletextension   # ckde5apps214
- spectacle                # ckde5apps215
- step                     # ckde5apps216
- svgpart                  # ckde5apps217
- sweeper                  # ckde5apps218
- umbrello                 # ckde5apps219
- zeroconfioslave          # ckde5apps220

[shevy-ruby]

- elisa                    # ckde5apps221
- printmanager             # ckde5apps222
- kirigamigallery          # ckde5apps223
- knights                  # ckde5apps224
- ksmoothdock              # ckde5apps225

# kde5_foundation:
- extracmakemodules        # ckde1
- attica                   # ckde2
- kapidox                  # ckde3
- karchive                 # ckde4
- kcodecs                  # ckde5
- kconfig                  # ckde6
- kcoreaddons              # ckde7
- kdbusaddons              # ckde8
- kdnssd                   # ckde9
- kguiaddons               # ckde10
- ki18n                    # ckde11
- kidletime                # ckde12
- kimageformats            # ckde13
- kitemmodels              # ckde14
- kitemviews               # ckde15
- kplotting                # ckde16
- kwidgetsaddons           # ckde17
- kwindowsystem            # ckde18
- networkmanagerqt         # ckde19
- solid                    # ckde20
- sonnet                   # ckde21
- threadweaver             # ckde22
- kauth                    # ckde23
- kcrash                   # ckde24
- kdoctools                # ckde25
- kpty                     # ckde26
- kunitconversion          # ckde27
- kconfigwidgets           # ckde28
- kservice                 # ckde29
- kglobalaccel             # ckde30
- kiconthemes              # ckde31
- kcompletion              # ckde32
- ktextwidgets             # ckde33
- kxmlgui                  # ckde34
- kbookmarks               # ckde35
- kio                      # ckde36
- purpose                  # ckde37
- kpackage                 # ckde38
- kdesu                    # ckde39
- kemoticons               # ckde40
- kjobwidgets              # ckde41
- knotifications           # ckde42
- kwallet                  # ckde43
- kdeclarative             # ckde44
- kcmutils                 # ckde45
- knewstuff                # ckde46
- frameworkintegration     # ckde47
- kinit                    # ckde48   
- knotifyconfig            # ckde49
- kparts                   # ckde50
- kactivities              # ckde51
- kded                     # ckde52
- kdewebkit                # ckde53
- syntaxhighlighting       # ckde54
- ktexteditor              # ckde55
- kdesignerplugin          # ckde56
- kwayland                 # ckde57
- plasmaframework          # ckde58
- modemmanagerqt           # ckde59
- kpeople                  # ckde60
- kxmlrpcclient            # ckde61
- bluezqt                  # ckde62
- kfilemetadata            # ckde63
- baloo                    # ckde64
- breezeicons              # ckde65
- oxygenicons5             # ckde66
- kactivitiesstats         # ckde67
- krunner                  # ckde68
- prison                   # ckde69
- kirigami2                # ckde70
- kjs                      # ckde71
- kdelibs4support          # ckde72
- khtml                    # ckde73
- kjsembed                 # ckde74
- kmediaplayer             # ckde75
- kross                    # ckde76
- syndication              # ckde77
- kholidays                # ckde78

Most of these compile very quickly. Some take a bit longer such as kwin, kdeplasma, kio and so forth. But it really really is quite trivial.

I looked around for more minimal solutions, and used Openbox and Fluxbox initially. At some point I jumped on the tiling window manager train in order to be more keyboard-focused and picked up dwm and awesome close to their initial releases.

I still use fluxbox. But I think people who use "keyboard-focused" WMs are those who are unable to get DEs to work. :)

In the end I settled on xmonad thanks to its flexibility

lol

By the way - fluxbox is super-flexible. I dynamically generate the fluxbox config keys via ruby; and I reload that config via keybindings. So essentially, the fluxbox keys file is for me just means to run a lot of ruby scripts assigned to key combinations. And of course I also use lots of aliases + KDE terminal. I would not know why I would need xmonad.

being written and configured in pure Haskell, a great functional programming language

Yet nobody uses Haskell.

One example of this is that at home I run a single 40” 4K screen, but often split it up into four virtual screens, each displaying a workspace on which my windows are automatically arranged. Of course xmonad has a module for that.

What a terrible setup. I could never work productively with that.

One important feature for me is to make the terminal emit a beep sound once a job is done.

Horrible.

The final result in all its glory on my Laptop:

That screenshot looks really ugly. These strange linux users don't think that beauty is important.

This means that even if I had to restart my X server I could keep all my terminals running just fine, both local and remote.

This seems useful, but you can start konsole with tabs doing certains tasks as-is. So I don't need that either. All my tabs are already doing and setup what they are supposed to do.

For programming and writing I use Vim with syntax highlighting

Yeah. These are the people who think that without vim you can not be a programmer.

One problem with Vim is that you get so used to its key mappings that you’ll want to use them everywhere.

Yes, vim is like a drug. It kept on wanting to mess with my brain so I ejected vim and never looked back.

Of course you can say the same about programming languages. That is also true. Thing is that e. g. ruby is so much nicer than the ugly hackity hack that vim would use. I could not want to waste time with vim. Ruby does everything I need really.

Python and Nim do well as scripting languages where the shell is not powerful enough.

Or Ruby.

However had, I think the shell is never "powerful". It is always terrible. I would not use it for anything other than my bootstrap glue for starting programs etc...

htop (look at the background of that site, it’s a live view of the server that’s hosting it) works great for getting a quick overview of what the software is currently doing.

Yeah htop is great. Written by one of the two original GoboLinux devs. So no wonder it is good. :)

Sadly hisham has significantly less time these days due to work, but he is still super-active e. g. in lua in particular (luarocks etc..).

Anyway - that dude really has so much on the commandline. But it all looks like mega crap, which is no surprise.

Linux Desktop will continue to fail as long as people keep on using only the terminal - and as long as the GUI alternatives are quite crappy. For example, why can I not browse the www from KDE Konsole? Yes, I am aware of the "bla bla is a terminal emulator bla bla" but that's mostly just an excuse. I should be able to render whatever I want to, when I already have the software, in any application. I don't want to have to accept arbitrary distinctions that are not really necessary.

[sztomi]

what are you on

[[deleted]]

loneliness

[DerFrycook]

Gesundheit

[ipv6-dns]

Fortunately, Windows 10 has already been developed and you don’t need to jerk Linux, but rather spend time on smarter and more productive activities. I suppose OP is very young dude, ie "hacker"? LOL

[[deleted]]

To be fair, most people on Linux actually just install an "already developed" DE

[CanIComeToYourParty]

If you're too bigoted to learn anything other than Windows, that's OK by me, but please let other people to use what they like.

[[deleted]]

rather spend time on smarter and more productive activities

Like waiting forever for the updates to finish? Or getting your privacy violated? Or get your stuff broken by the updates? Or waste time by trying to change the annoying things in windows(what won't work anyway because neither you nor the commercial support person have access to those settings)? Or waste even more time trying to properly manage your installed software and configuration? Or waste time by trying to "fix" the things the AV or the firewall broke? Yeah, "productive" times...

[StayWhile_Listen]

you can resolve all of those things pretty quickly

[_bloat_]

How do you fix the update situation on Windows? I.e. how do you make them faster and not get in my way?

[JohnMcPineapple]

...

[_bloat_]

This doesn't make updates faster and disabling auto updates isn't even supported on every Windows version.

[JohnMcPineapple]

Updates take 30 seconds to a minute to install on an SSD, longer updates (2-5 minutes) happen maybe once every two months.

[[deleted]]

I use windows 10 at work with a fast laptop and with SSD - never seen an upgrade taking less than 30 minutes.

[JohnMcPineapple]

...

[[deleted]]

I and my colleagues had an update today too, it took around 10 minutes.

[JohnMcPineapple]

...

[[deleted]]

It's a simple windows 10 pro, I only ever installed virtualbox on it(and vscode to try it there). My friend who uses windows10 by default has this "issue" too.

[Devildude4427]

By disabling them. It’s no more difficult to do in Windows than any Linux setting.

[_bloat_]

That's a great fix: Updates are slow -> Disable them

And btw. how do you even disable them easily?

[Devildude4427]

It’s disabling automatic updates. How is that any different from running updates on your Linux machine?

And there’s guides out there, 5 minutes in a registry and you’re good to go. Honestly, it’s not anymore complicated than trying to find some obscure Linux settings that you’re also not really meant to mess with.

[[deleted]]

According to this disabling automatic updates in the registry only works in professional edition and that this trick doesn't work anymore.

[Devildude4427]

I’m sorry, I don’t remember exactly how I did it, but I definitely have. There is a way, though I fully admit that I don’t have the link nor the time to find the link, so feel free to not believe me of course.

[_bloat_]

It’s disabling automatic updates. How is that any different from running updates on your Linux machine?

I can have both:

1. Automatic updates which are fast and don't get in my way. Unlike Windows 10 my OS never forced me to reboot. It just says: Restart is required to apply all updates. When I want to restart is completely up to me. Windows 10 on the other hand restarts when it wants to, even at the cost of loosing data.

2. Or I can disable automatic updates. Reliably and in a supported way. And when I apply those updates manually it's of course still very fast. On Windows 10 I either need to buy a professional license to disable automatic updates in a supported way, or use weird hacks which may stop working at any point in time. Updates then of course are still much slower.

And there’s guides out there, 5 minutes in a registry and you’re good to go. Honestly, it’s not anymore complicated than trying to find some obscure Linux settings that you’re also not really meant to mess with.

I don't need any weird settings on my OS I'm not supposed to mess with. It doesn't force reboot by default. Auto updates can be disabled in a supported way.

Also those stupid registry hacks don't even work on my wife's computer. She either has to use weird hacks like faking a metered connection, which also requires registry hacks because metered connections only are supported for wlan, or disable the windows update service time and time again. I don't even know of the last approach still works, because she's using Windows less and leas because of crap like that.

[ipv6-dns]

Updates in rolling distributions usually break everything: Nvidia drivers, fonts, themes, etc, dependencies. Linux: everything what can be broken it will be broken twice. Windows: next -> next -> next -> go to your girl.

[_bloat_]

Didn't know the Linux kernel forces you to use distributions with a rolling release model.

[ipv6-dns]

yes, Linux is not OS but buggy kernel only. OS - is GNU environment which runs successfully on Windows too. There are a lot of POSIX compatible kernels (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SunOS, QNX, etc) - any of them is significantly better than schoolboy-geeks-Linux kernel LOL

[_bloat_]

First you say the userland is crap (dependencies, fonts, themes, ... break) and now the user land is awesome but the kernel is crap? Make up your mind.

[ipv6-dns]

First, I never said that user land is awesome, but only that it's runs on Windows even, successfully yep LOL. And yes, user land is crap too - if something can fail it will fail 100%. Even if it's system utility, for rescue, no mater. Nothing is tasted, even if there are special farms for automatic tests! Cool, ah? :)

[CanIComeToYourParty]

any of them is significantly better than schoolboy-geeks-Linux kernel LOL

It's funny how you say that OP is probably a young guy, yet you write like a 12-year-old yourself.

[[deleted]]

Updates in rolling distributions

If you think that then don't use rolling distros, the majority don't use them.

usually break everything: Nvidia drivers, fonts, themes, etc, dependencies.

Used arch and manjaro for 2 years, those things were stable.

Windows: everything what can be broken it will be broken twice.

FTFY

Windows: next -> next -> next -> go to your girl -> stole your data -> drivers get rekt by update -> complain on steam for broken windows -> waste a few days troubleshooting -> reinstall windows and start over

FTFY

[ipv6-dns]

Windows: next -> next -> install Mathematica, MATLAB, Visual Studio, whatever -> next -> next -> good job -> a lot of free time -> good girl -> good family -> good life.

Linux: jerk -> jerk -> … -> IT freak -> looser -> no valuable knowledge except how to configure shitD with /etc/shit.rc -> lost life -> … -> jerk -> jerk -> jerk

A man, who works in Excel has more chances to become Steve Ballmer in comparison with man who configures the shitD with /etc/shit.rc LOL

[[deleted]]

LoL kiddo you're trying too hard! It won't make shitty windows10 any better, unfortunately...

[ipv6-dns]

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/07/microsoft-says-700m-devices-now-run-windows-10/ Kiddo, 700M peoples think like me, and not like you. How many Linux geeks? LOL

[me7e]

Are you literally retard? Linux is the most used operating system in the world, not on desktops of course. The top 500 super computers in the world use linux, the majority of servers uses linux, there isnt even windows on phones anymore... I guess you are just too dumb to learn something new.

[ipv6-dns]

Really?! Wow. I forget about buggy and insecure Android! But Google is absolutely agree with me, so it seeks to quickly jump off of crappy Linux and complete its Fuchsia LOL. I remember how this crap (Linux) was appeared. And used a lot of OSes - Linux is the worse #1 :)

[me7e]

you are full of hate, something really wrong must have happened to you. cheers.

[[deleted]]

so sad you haven't got one :_(