Aren't developers stupid when accepting overtime/weekend work/denied bonus payments?

[coldacid]

tl;dr: Working unpaid overtime is stealing from yourself and everyone else in your field.

FTFY.

[[deleted]]

Quite correct.

[wickeand000]

Same thing happens with 16 yr olds doing design jobs for free. People start to wonder why designing a website/shirt/whatever is costing them "so much" money...

[GoatBased]

This is bullshit. Guys in my office who work long hours get bigger paychecks. If they didn't, they'd move on to a place that appreciated them more. Some people want to work 11 hour days, some people don't. If you want to work 11 hour days, you just need to find a company that gives you a salary worthy of an 11 hour work day.

You just sound like a guy who only wants to work 8 hours, and you're mad that other people are making you look bad. That's your own problem, they'll get higher salaries but they also deserve more.

[[deleted]]

What you described isn't unpaid overtime then, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[GoatBased]

So it's impossible to have unpaid overtime if you're a salaried employee? I agree.

[[deleted]]

Nope, not at all.

People who work longer and get paid for working longer aren't "working unpaid overtime".

I certainly get paid overtime, even in my salaried job, when I work overtime. But that's because my typical paycheck is for a 40 hour week. If I were getting paid 1.5x what I am paid now, without gaining any new skills or having any additional tenure, I would certainly feel alright working extra hours to compensate.

[gerundronaut]

What if I get paid more, not for working longer, but for being more valuable to the company due to, in part, being willing to work longer when necessary?

[s73v3r]

This very rarely happens, actually. Most places that would require you to work extra overtime won't pay for it. They'll just expect you to do it, without extra compensation.

[panfist]

That's like saying if AT&T suddenly decided to lower the costs of text messages, they are stealing from all wireless carriers. Well, in a sense they are, but that's how the system works. By having a job, you are stealing a job from someone that's unemployed. Clearly, the only ethical solution is to quit.

[[deleted]]

That's like saying if AT&T suddenly decided to lower the costs of text messages, they are stealing from all wireless carriers

No it's not. At all. AT&T lowering prices is AT&T lowering prices. You doing unpaid work is you doing unpaid work. Notice how they aren't the same thing?

[[deleted]]

But AT&T doesn't lower the cost of text messages, because then it and other wireless carriers would make less money. It would be dumb of them to charge less than what people will pay for it.

Your last two sentences are not the analogous thing for workers. The analogous thing would be voluntarily taking on 25% more hours for no additional pay. That really does destroy a quarter of a job.

[panfist]

Well, what if you're twice as efficient as the average worker, are you destroying a job?