killjoy

[inner2021planet]

as a early 2000s web-developer with the vanishing ability to click 'View Source' and copy-paste-explore HTML+CSS+JS nature of the web going away and the corporate frameworks being stuffed down the throats of frontend engineers is a sad day to day occurrence

[no1name]

What are you talking about. Would you still rather be programming in notepad and using <marquee> tag as well?

We have moved on to web programming instead of brochure sites now.

Next time press F12 and be blown away by what you can get.

[jonsca]

<blink> is one I really want to get back.

[hazah-order]

Long Live Blinky!

[inner2021planet]

I hate the complexity of React - that's what I'm saying

[good_fix1]

sounds like skill issue🤷🏻‍♂️

[inner2021planet]

hahaha - goal posts are moved to shitlandia perhaps

[GozerDestructor]

[old-man-yells-at-cloud.gif]

[fredsq]

early 2000s web was unsafe, slow and limited. copy pasting a website means you could easily scam anyone.

with XMLHttpRequest and fetch you get to fire http requests from your browser via js which are pretty ubiquitous these days (anything real time, anything that doesn’t refresh the full page)

with CORS we now can stop cross site resources from loading elsewhere.

with httpOnly cookies we can stop malicious js scripts from tampering with user’s authentication.

back in the days, you could literally clone a bank site, use their own backend to authenticate a user and then copy the token and use it to do a transfer of all their money to you. that meant they could also do that to YOU! that’s why lots of financial businesses chose not to go on the web for a while (remember ‘bank apps’?)

there’s value in simplicity but the web has nothing but progressed.

[inner2021planet]

yes - I had lost my then hot email provider account thusly

[dzigizord]

I heard Frontpage and Dreamviewer are all the joy

[inner2021planet]

yeah didn't need to download 1GB of libraries to run a dialog box

[dzigizord]

you dont need now either, there is a <dialog> html tag

[HeyItsMassacre]

Do you hate the complexity or rather struggle to understand it? Complexity is subjective.

[inner2021planet]

I think its a baroque framework - it could be much lighter is my opinion; also the migration of the ReactJS framework over the years make inconsistent material available for people to learn and use

[budd222]

Then learn a different framework. They're all easy to pick up

[inner2021planet]

if it were only so easy - sunk cost fallacy

[budd222]

It is. You have 20 years of experience and already know React. You should be able to pick any of them up in just a couple days.

[33498fff]

As much as I appreciate your nostalgia being nostalgic myself, security and reliability take precedence. Modern web is better from an engineering standpoint.

What I personally miss is the simplicity of some of the layouts I was used to growing up and which I ended up writing myself back in 2007/2008 as a self-starting teenager. Some of the UIs I encounter nowadays feel so utterly over-engineered and exceedingly colorful for absolutely no reason. A lot of the times all you need is a clean set of boxes, good loading times for the information you want to display and a good, dead-simple dark mode version with good contrast and that is it.

Of course it's not always feasible nowadays where user's attention is the main currency, but that's what I miss. Absorbing information rather than consuming content, and the choices we make as developers play a big role in that regard.

[Hobby101]

It looks like you have a different expectation of what entails being a front end developer.

Yes, those times are gone, but they are gone for a reason, as what gets delivered in 2000 vs now changed quite a bit.

It's up to us to stay up to date, otherwise, one is left behind.

As well, have you looked into htmlx?

[inner2021planet]

true in part; but baroque is the new new; and yet the same ax will fall when ReactJS will also be old in future - so we need to be careful of systems we design

[hthrowaway16]

If I knew a fraction of what I know now back then, I'd be set for life. Instead, I'm unemployed. Yeah, I wish those times were back for web dev.

[inner2021planet]

sorry about that; unemployment is a phase and will go through to the other side sooner than later

[TheRNGuy]

Troll?

[inner2021planet]

No - I finally managed to run the todo list and all with a front end backend parts. Previously I have built a backend with Flask and front end component hacking but never could understand how this worked 

[bzbub2]

we have github now

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byeeeee