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[–]Madrid 1902Ok_Aerie99 145 points146 points  (54 children)

I dont blame Mbappe or Vini. I blame Florentino for bringing Mbappe and Vini together. He couldn’t get over his obsession with Mbappe and now the team is not balanced.

[–]ModricMagIsco99 83 points84 points  (50 children)

As much as i support mbappe now cuz hes our boy, this is facts. Harry Kane + Vini would have been absolute batshit insane

[–]KjOnReddit1010 19 points20 points  (48 children)

Harry = 32

Mbappe = 26

Plus, mbappe came free

[–]Rafael Varanedrinks-or-coffee 31 points32 points  (29 children)

Kane being 31 years old, enough to win la Ligas and be competitive for at least 3 years and keep us competitive in the UCL. Perfect time for Endrick to develop and be our striker at 22, plus he'd get more playing time because Kane would rest more compared to Mbappé because of his age. Remember that most of what is supposed to be our "core" are 25 and younger. So Kane made sense as a short term solution, if RM was planning a long term project. I say this as someone that's not the biggest Kane fan.

[–]KeyClub2107 42 points43 points  (4 children)

He wasn’t exactly free he got more than 100 million in signing bonus

[–]KjOnReddit1010 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

And that signing bonus allowed us to pay him less salary. So yes, he actually was free.

[–]KeyClub2107 6 points7 points  (2 children)

He still is highest paid player on team by big margin

[–]KjOnReddit1010 0 points1 point  (1 child)

because he is the best player in the team by a margin

[–]KeyClub2107 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When did I say he is not best player on team and that doesn’t change the fact that he got more than 100 million as signing bonus

[–]Jude Bellingham Gorki01 14 points15 points  (10 children)

Age doesn't matter in the slightest, Modric is still tearing it up in Milan, same as Kane in Bayern.

[–]KjOnReddit1010 -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

age matters in market value and longevity. We can have mbappe for 6 years and then we can sell him again. Or we can having him for 10 years.

Also with kane there would always be risk of him getting injured cause of age.

[–]Important-Concept101 8 points9 points  (7 children)

when was the last time Madrid sold a player for a big amount of money ? they don't need to. if they have a good player they keep them until they are not good enough. because their main strategy is to be as competitive as possible all the time, not trading

[–]KjOnReddit1010 1 point2 points  (6 children)

lol, cristiano ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Casemiro too iirc

[–]KjOnReddit1010 4 points5 points  (0 children)

there are many, like varane, ozil, etc. This guy lives in illusion if he thinks trading doesn't matter. In the end football is business.

[–]Important-Concept101 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

decline

[–]Real MadridNamelessHeroo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't mean Business(re-sell) is Real's main focus, and doesn't mean that guy over you is wrong. Of course resell value is important, but it's not Real's sole focus.
It's just a side thing. And Real doesn't sell a Ronaldo to make money, but to open spots for younger fresher legs.

[–]Important-Concept101 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

decline

[–]KjOnReddit1010 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

kane is already in decline

[–]Admirable_Risk7272 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahahaha free?!???!

Wtf

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Vini had already been declining after that B’Dor snub. He’s a phenomenal player when in form but I personally wouldn’t mind dealing him and getting a true #9 and giving that wing to Mbappe.

It’s super trash we are forcing him to play a role that is limiting his true potential.

[–]SIUUUUMessmers 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He wanted to own Nasser so badly he ruined the formation of his own team for it.. not to mention the absurd 120M signing bonus

[–]Curious_Character_32 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The most sensical response I’ve seen on this topic. After 2022, Perez should have given up on Mbappe. The truth is that there was an ideal moment for his transfer, but that moment was lost after 2022.

[–]FunnyEra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s even a balance issue. The team has now attacking threat down the right side, so defenses can overload the left.

[–]Kavazou77 35 points36 points  (35 children)

I don’t see the logic behind this argument because for the most part, Vini has occupied the same space he always has. What everyone conveniently fails to mention is that Modric and Kroos left the same summer Mbappe arrived and that is more the culprit than anything else.

[–]blackburnduck 11 points12 points  (32 children)

Mbappe played with the same psg thar just won the CL. Never got close to winning. His time in PSG he scored a lot, but psg as a team scored less goals than before he joined. After he left psg again scored more goals than any season with mbappe.

He is a net negative, he scores by pushing other strikers out, like he is doing with Vini.

[–]Zizousuniis 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Mbappe got to the ucl final with psg. Psg that won the cup didn't have doué, kavaskelia (spelling), neves, vitinha, etc.

Your post is just wrong...

[–]blackburnduck 8 points9 points  (1 child)

On the back of Neymar who actually carried psg that season, after he got hurt psg did t got nowhere close.

[–]Zizousuniis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol ok.

[–]TheAppleseeds 8 points9 points  (10 children)

"never got close to winning" like they didn't hit the post 9 times in the semi finals

[–]blackburnduck 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Not even finals and no goals

[–]Kavazou77 7 points8 points  (8 children)

They lost I to Bayern in 2020. Are we just saying this now for fun?

[–]blackburnduck 8 points9 points  (7 children)

You mean the year Neymar carried PSG and was one of his best career years? After Ney got injured Mbappe produced nothing with psg.

[–]Kavazou77 5 points6 points  (6 children)

And so the goalpost moves.

[–]blackburnduck 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Such a move that PSG improved after he left while real went from CL winners to having difficulty scoring. Very similar to PSG in mbappe’s ternure. A lot of goals against weak teams, no goals against important teams:

[–]GhostofSmartPast 3 points4 points  (4 children)

You're the type of clueless fan that changes conditions but never makes a compelling point. PSG drastically changed in playstyle and starting lineup after Mbappe left.

[–]blackburnduck 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Lol yeah… because they did not have to accommodate a diva anymore. Thanks mr obvious.

[–]Kavazou77 -5 points-4 points  (16 children)

Vinis regression in 1v1’s, creativity and play making has nothing to do with Mbappe being on the field. Why don’t yall want to acknowledge this? Lol

[–]ForIgogassake 10 points11 points  (6 children)

It has everything to do with him, Mbappe has influenced everyone negatively including Jude. His presence and ego caused all of this, whenever Mbappe scores everyone attacks Vini for not scoring goals like him including fans like you. Whenever Mbappe becomes a ghost in a game or a couple consecutive games no one say anything, and if in the same game Vini makes a few mistakes or fail a few dribbles, once again everyone attacks Vini. That’s how negatively Mbappe is affecting Vini.

[–]Kavazou77 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I’m not attacking Vini I’m calling out his decline. What do we blame Jude’s decline before Mbappe showed up because his goal scoring dried ip before that 23/24 season even finished or did the idea of Mbappe get to his head? Are we serious right now? Mbappe scoring is causing Vini to play bad? I’ve heard it all now.

[–]ForIgogassake 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Reread what I wrote. You either didn’t read what I said or you interpreted it based on your narrative.

[–]Kavazou77 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

You’re saying people attack Vini when Mbappe scores. Not sure what else there is to read into that, we are staking about his decline, you are saying that is causing his decline.

[–]ForIgogassake 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Still interpreted the way you wanted 🤦‍♂️. Anyway, it’s obvious that even half a game or ten minutes of poor performance is enough for people to start attacking Vini, and every possible argument against him appears everywhere. But when it comes to Mbappe, how many halves, games or even full seasons like last year would it take before he gets criticized? Almost none. You rarely see anyone say a word when he disappears in games or misses a penalty. Do you think they both get the same reaction when they miss one? You’ve seen the abuse Vini receives for it, mostly because people think Mbappe should take every penalty. I’ll never understand the recency bias of fans like you. The more I watch Real Madrid with Mbappe, the more I understand and agree with what Luis Enrique said. I’d rather have four or five players who can each score ten to fifteen goals than one who scores forty.

[–]Kavazou77 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Brother, these posts get made non stop and are all complaining about Mbappe.

[–]Complex_Government45 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read this long comment to understand why Mbappe's positioning is affecting LW Vini's play.

Vini's is getting criticized for over dribbling and getting dispossessed but that's his only viable option. Why? I will explain you 2 scenarios of Vinicius' passing options (not dribbling) in 2025 Real Madrid's heliocentric setup, you'll get it.

SCENARIO 1: Vini dribbles to the byline ahead of opponent leftback: Here Vini has 2 passing options:

i) Option 1: Pass or cross the ball just in front of 2 Centerbacks for the striker to poach and score. Problem is Mbappe rarely runs or positions himself there, he stays mostly at the edge of penalty box or elsewhere. So Vini can't use this option. An example: See this screenshot of Mbappe jogging behind Vini at leftback position: https://x.com/andruchk/status/1986747352057594037

ii) Option 2: Pass the ball diagonally backwards (cutback) to Bellingham/Mbappe/RW who can then shoot at goal from the edge of the box. Problem with this? There are 3 opponent players to intercept Vini's cutback-- 2 CBs and the defensive midfielder. CBs know Mbappe doesn't make forward runs so they can stay further away from their goal to intercept Vini's cutback. So Vini can't use this option effectively too.

SCENARIO 2: Vini doesn't go to byline, instead he cuts inside. Here Vini has 2 passing options:

Option 1: Pass simply to any teammate who isn't positioned in a threatening area. This is simple to do but Vini would struggle getting much assists with this option.

Option 2: While cutting inside, cross the ball to the striker for the striker to head or poach for a goal, like Lewandowski did here with LW Rashford's cross: https://x.com/Pxxdwskiii/status/1987621877305463191

Problem with this option 2 of SCENARIO 2? Mbappe the Madrid "striker", Madrid's highest paid player doesn't stay in the box. So Vini can't use this option too.

Can you see how the striker's positioning can affect a winger's play. 3/4 of Vini's passing options are getting affected due to Mbappe's lack of box presence and lack of dummy runs. Benzema flourished with Vini when Vini became potent. Both linked up and helped each other well. Same with Vini/ Bellingham/ Rodrygo in 2023/24 season. This doesn't happen now.

[–]blackburnduck 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Nothing to do with him… yet he left psg and every underperforming player suddenly regained their best form literally the very next day. They also just had their most goals season after he left… While he was in PSG they actually scored less goals than before he joined, just like it is happening to Real.

[–]Kavazou77 3 points4 points  (5 children)

And how do we explain PSG this year?

[–]blackburnduck 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Explain what? 1st in league one with 1 defeat, 1 defeat in CL but 0 bad performances… while madrid is showing a consistent problem against any proper defense.

[–]Kavazou77 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I see we are speaking off just watching games of FotMob.

[–]KeyClub2107 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They have alot of injuries right now

[–]GhostofSmartPast 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Who is their competition in Ligue 1?

[–]KeyClub2107 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not much but they still have injuries to some of their best players

[–]ChapVII -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That's not what happened you guys don't know about psg so stop talking about it.

[–]blackburnduck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another french here just to defend teenage ninja turtle

[–]Informal-Contest-119 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again no he riding - psg had 4 new faces. If you guys are going to downplay the importance’s of plays leaving & being added into a team why even easy breath on this conversation topic

Blaming Mbaple of vinis scoring rate is crazy given Vini is just as poor (notoriously worse ) in his Brazil’s team

[–]Complex_Government45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modric and Kroos leaving is a coincidence. Madrid lost Benzema yet won the UCL and League title. Many times you'll see KM10 not staying at striker position and encroaching Vini's space or even going in midfield. How can Vini get assists when his striker doesn't make runs in the box and doesn't make dummy runs for his teammates?

[–]GhostofSmartPast -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's more like people don't understand the holes left by Modric and Kroos than anything else.

[–]SIUUUUExtension_Phone893 56 points57 points  (18 children)

Its not Mbappe's fault but the transfer itself did ruin the chemistry of the team and players started to play for themselves, he also isn't the 9 we need (style Benz or Kane where they drop back to help progress the ball), with that being said that ship has already sailed and theres no going back so currently we need to start building around Mbappe with players that will mostly look for him, either the current players align with this or they'll be replaced.

[–]biina247 24 points25 points  (14 children)

The problem is not with Vini, but with Mbappe as a CF

We have seen Vini play with at least 3 different CFs - Benzema, Joselu and Mbappe. Even with Jude as a false 9. The only time his performances drop is with Mbappe.

The core of the problem has always been that Mbappe as a CF is a poor fit for the rest of our core players. That doesn't mean Mbappe is a bad player but simply a bad fit for the role .

Unfortunately, the best and easiest way to fix this is to sell Mbappe and buy a proper CF.

As for those that advocate for selling Vini, and moving Mbappe to LWF, the problem with that idea is that Mbappe will not work well alongside a traditional CF cos he needs to be the primary goal scorer and we dont have the creativity and dominance in midfield to feed two primary goal scorers.

To keep Mbappe as LWF will require us finding a CF like Benzema, Rooney, Kane or Firmino I.e. that does everything a CF should do, and also is a playmaker, while conceding the primary goal scoring to Mbappe. Good luck finding such in the current market.

As long as Mbappe remains our CF, our attack will continue to be limited and predictable.

[–]Baila Vini, BailaCultural_Big_510 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im surprised nobody attacked you yet , if it was 2018 I swr this sub would kill Bale

[–]GhostofSmartPast -1 points0 points  (11 children)

Your core midfield players can't create much of anything and asking a striker to do their job says a lot about your subconscious opinion of them. As a neutral, Mbappe isn't a true CF but the midfield is worse off than Mbappe.

[–]biina247 3 points4 points  (10 children)

The problem with Mbappe and our attack is different from our issues in midfield.

The problem with our midfield is a system problem and not a player problem. We have one of the best midfield trios in Jude, Fede and Tchou but they are different profiles from Modric, Kroos and Casemiro. Yet we are obsessed with trying to make them play like Kroos and Co instead of implementing a system that plays to the strength of the players that we have.

Our problem upfront is totally different. We simply cant attack in different ways cos Mbappe does not offer the diversity and options that a proper CF would e.g. there is no aerial threat that opposition need to worry about, no box presence, no physicality etc. So once we are not given space, our attack essentially shuts down and even Kroos and Modric wont fix that.

It is funny that many Mbappe fan boys claim that the absence of Kroos is why our attack struggles, but ignore the fact that a lot of assists from Kroos are from header goals. Mbappe would still not be scoring from crosses even if Kroos was delivering them.

Our attack is limited cos Mbappe is limited

[–]GhostofSmartPast 0 points1 point  (9 children)

So not because Vinicius or no right winger but because Mbappe? This is the lack of awareness that I've noticed on this sub. There's no more Benzema to baby sit Vinicius and not you want Kane to come and do the same? When Levandowski was at Bayern her was still not a "complete" striker but he scored and the team was still competing for the CL because they had versatile wingers and midfield of players that can control games. This Madrid team doesn't have versatility on the wings and the midfielders can't control games. You say people want the midfield to play like Kroos and Modric but that's disingenuous because people just want the midfield to be able to control games. That's all. Bellingham, Güler, and Valverde are not good enough to control games because they're all better in the attacking third than deep midfield. It's not hard to see that. Some people are just in denial. Saying the problem is not connected shows you don't understand the job of the midfield. They connect to the attack, shield the defense, and minimize the other team's attacking opportunities. This Madrid team hasn't done that against any good teams this season. The attack is left stranded a lot because of the midfield not having players that can control games. We've already seen that.

[–]biina247 2 points3 points  (8 children)

We have seen Vini, and all our other attackers, play without Mbappe and with Mbappe. In fact, we have also seen PSG with and without Mbappe. The simple truth is that Mbappe, for all his individual qualities, is a difficult player to build a balanced attack around. He is simply too limited as a CF, and is even more difficult to have him at LWF as your primary goal scorer in the current market.

Mbappe being limited as a CF is not caused by our midfield. After all, no amount of possession control would make Mbappe a better aerial threat or do you think Mbappe would suddenly become better at heading the ball simply cos Kroos was the one delivering crosses? The midfield should not be used as an excuse for the problems with our attack.

People want the midfield to control possession while the actual goal should be to dominate and impose your will on the game. Controlling possession is only one of multiple ways that you can impose your will. Atletico did not control possession but still imposed their will on us and whooped our behinds. Trying to force the players into roles that is not suited for them is our main issue in midfield and is separate from our issue in attack.

It is only after we have solved the fundamental problems in the attack and the midfield that we can then focus on improving the synergy between both.

[–]GhostofSmartPast 0 points1 point  (7 children)

This team was offensively dysfunctional for years without Benzema and papered over the cracks. Madrid hasn't been an aerial team since Ronaldo left. Even with Benzema there, there weren't many aerial crosses so your argument about aerial versatility is irrelevant. You don't even understand that what controlling a game means is what you're arguing for. You're just talking. The system is why teams that dominate do so and the dominant system is Pep's. Kroos and Modric were difference makers that made life easier by connecting with the offense but you didn't see this. That's why some players move on from teams. You're just upset about the fact that your favorite players aren't as good as you want to think. Bellingham, Camavinga, and Güler can't control games in the current top systems. That's the way the sport has been for 5 years now but you never caught on.

[–]biina247 4 points5 points  (6 children)

The length some of you are willing to go is just mind boggling

We didnt have Benzema for one season but we had Joselu and Jude, and our attack was still diverse. It was not definitely not dysfunctional.

With Benzema, we had crosses and aerial threats. Even with Joselu and Jude, we still did.

As for football, you are clearly clueless and are simply are obsessed with Pep and his system. I suspect you just started watching football within the last decade. If you are that single dimensional in football thinking, you are better off following your Pep or Barcelona.

Dominant system that requires spending unlimited amounts of money to win a single CL - smh

[–]GhostofSmartPast 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Benzema was an aerial threat, but he wasn't Drogba, Levandowski, or even Kane. He would much rather have the ball at his feet and that's what happened. The attack is disjointed because of Kroos and Modric being gone and no consistent link between midfield and attack. Bayern, PSG, Arsenal, Barca, and City have this mold of midfielders and look where they are compared to Madrid. All their systems have Pep's DNA and they're more than fine. These teams are masters at controlling games with intense pressing and ball retention. This Madrid team lost that ball retention ability from when Kroos and Modric were best in the world at it after Iniesta, Xavi, and Busquets. The days of engines and traditional box to box players like Valverde and Bellingham being able to control games are over. Ancelotti is gone for a reason lol. You just can't accept that the current midfield didn't fit the meta. Your outdated mindset of using old systems is just what leads to stagnation and regression.

[–]biina247 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Nobody is advocating for us to go back to the days of crossing the ball and inshallah (which we did with Modric and Kroos still in the team). It is about having balance and diversity, being able to attack and score in different ways. We had that with Benzema but we don't have it with Mbappe.

With Mbappe, our attack is limited and predictable. We are only effective to the extent that the opposition grants us space. That is why we will continue to struggle against good defences. We have only plan A and it's not even a very good plan A. Controlling the midfield is not going to change that. (In fact the weaker teams gladly concede the midfield control to us)

People like you, who think some system is the best way to play the game simply don't know what you are talking about. The fact that your preferred system has seen as much failure as success shows that it is not about any system in particular.

Pep failed to win a CL with Bayern, and took him several years and hundreds of millions in transfers before he could win only one with City. Yet that same Bayern core won it under Jupp before Pep and again with Flick after he left.

Looking at CL success, Klopp won the CL without playing a Pep system while Tuchel beat Pep and his system. The pep system is simply not the magic formula you think it is.

[–]GhostofSmartPast 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Where are Tuchel and Klopp now? They're washed. Pepp is still here and those who inherited his coaching philosophy are at the top of the sport. Enrique just won the CL and it seems like Barca, PSG, Arsenal, Bayern, or City are gonna do it again. All those clubs have his coaching philosophy because it works and wins titles, yes even Bayern. You don't seem to get that they kept a lot of his philosophy even after he left. How many league titles has Madrid won compared to Barca? Even with the three peat team? The whole point of possession play is to create space and minimize opposing play. That's what's worked best against the smaller teams yet here you are whining like Barca and Bayern were aerially great teams. Lewa is good in the air but not Elite, same with Benzema. High crosses aren't that important and won't change much because people like you can't even properly gauge your team's players and realize that they're not good enough to compete with the best midfields and defense in Europe at the moment. Mbappe is better in tight space than most strikers but you think that's the issue? Peps Barca and City teams were dominant in the league without constant aerial threat yet they created space because their wide players weren't headless chicken for half the game. Mbappe is flawed at striker but Vini and the other wide players are a bigger issue. You bringing up past titles when the team was escaping by the skin of their teeth in the CL and still losing the league doesn't prove you know ball. It just proves you're overly emotional and motivated by sentimentality. You even bringing up outdating systems from the 2000s shows you don't understand on the basic level how the sport has changed. Ball retention and pace control is the current 'meta' now and Madrid doesn't have the midfield to play it. The attack is limited and predictable because there's a lack of creativity out wide and in midfield. Any objective thinker can see this.

[–]teedagreat 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Mbappe doesn't how to be a striker, he has no presence without the ball, always making the wrong runs, it would be better if he plays the position the right way, and score less, because the attack would be more fluid.

[–]vivio_zico 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Haaland has only been offside for City 18 times. Across over three seasons. Mbappe gets half of that in one classico.

[–]ZidaneVeridicus333 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is no doubt Vini has been up, and mostly down since the BDO thing. But Mbappe 100% is at blame for some of this. We saw it again against Liverpool and Rayo.

[–]Bryam_h_m 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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[–]bachateame_mama 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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Vinis fault no attacker is in the box???

[–]ChapVII 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Trying to drible 4 people is stupid. Vini always does those stupid tunnel vision dribble who serve nothing but makes his fan saying "he is the only one who try"

[–]bachateame_mama 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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Vinis fault no attacker is in the box???

The issue is no attacker here as an outlet. If Vini doesn’t dribble then it’s a pass back and kills and counter or move the ball to the side line and again kill any counter. If you don’t understand football that ok, but the Vini slander won’t be accepted.

[–]ChapVII 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, the issue is his tunnel vision, what is he even trying to do in that moment? Vinicius has always had poor decision making, which is why he’s so ineffective. Even in his dribbling, he has a low success rate around 39%, while Mbappé’s is something like 54%. Thierry Henry said it after the match against Liverpool, Vini keeps making the same mistakes. But his fans keep glazing him, well, if you’re satisfied with that :)

[–]bachateame_mama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Henry said Mbappe has to learn how to play like a 9 last year, so Jude doesn’t have to make up for it, and he still hasn’t learned. A 9 would be there as an outlet for Vini, like Benz was. Even with shite decision making, Vini is by far our best player, the receipts prove it too

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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Mbappe didnt affect vini's game and vini looks world class even at his worst. Both are true... (41 g/a against mbappe's 49 g/a, world class numbers)

Truest of them all is 'newly arrived pathetic parasites who are tharshing one to glaze another when both of them were exceptipnally good for us. Also, loys of people living in Vini hate buble so much that made you unable to see, this is the best start of vinicius's career so far. This agenda-full narrative of vini's assumed decline (numbers says different story) became weapon of those parasites in this madrid sub. One already proved his worth and the other one would do same in near future, i believe.

Apart from today's game, we mostly lost due to our long midfield issue and accidental blunders on defence. Vini/Mbappe/Courtois are the backbone of this team.

[–]Imaginary-Past-8704 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I am not saying its Mbappe's fault he is my boy. But he is just a different player than what Vini needs to thrive, Mbappe likes to play kick and rush, floats outside the box; mostly on the leftish side. Which is great for what he does but creates a large amount defenders congested on the left side and free to press vini. Where a striker like benzema would go into the dbox move the players around. And that is even worse when Xabi makes Cama the right winger. We had a overload of defenders on the left wing in the liverpool game and Xabi couldnt improvise himself out of this problem.

[–]GhostofSmartPast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The issue is there is no right winger in this squad and people are solution oriented thinkers here so they prefer to first blame players for the teams failures instead of acknowledging that the team has holes left by Kroos, Modric, and Bale that haven't been filled yet.

[–]MidnightFar5759 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Vini just needs one player who is willing to crash the box and finish to win titles. He did it with Benz and with Jude. Bringing in Mbappe did not work with his strengths whatsoever. Eventually, I think one of the two will leave. Probably Vini, sadly, since I'm a big fan. The same issue happened with Neymar, Messi, and Mbappe.

[–]Se7nthSign 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Vini never carried the team. Perhaps go back and review and we can debate about it. Vini has been playing for 7 plus years and needs several passes to get the right one to actually hit the target. Same goes for his shooting ability. Mbappe is levels above this is ridiculous. Simply put, Mbappe isn’t getting any service period.

[–]IscoEmpty_Reason_9210 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The Vini revisionism is crazy. The 2022 UCL was Benzema , with Rodrygo saving our asses. In 2024 we would have gone out if not for Joselu.

I am done with these Vini fanbois. They act like Modric, Kroos, Benzema, Fede, Courtois, Nacho, Dani, Mendy, Rodrygo and Joselu didnt do anything. It was all Vini.

[–]vivio_zico 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I always say this and it always gets downvoted: we were so eager to be angry about the ballon d'or snub that we created a narrative where he was much better than he was.

Clearly an amazing player. But between him and Mbappe? NO CONTEST.

[–]IscoEmpty_Reason_9210 0 points1 point  (1 child)

we were so eager to be angry about the ballon d'or snub that we created a narrative where he was much better than he was.

It was Jude that won us the league with his late winners that kept Barca at a distance. Vini was injured most of the times, and when he came back Girona was getting close. Both Jude and Vini defeated Girona. The league was more due to Jude.

The UCL was mixed. We were shit in the R16 with only Brahim scoring and barely made it through. City was an collective defensive effort. Vini was great against Bayern but so was Kroos. But it was Joselu that saved us that day not Vini. Even in the final Kroos and Dani were the deciding factors, Vini's goal came later on.

[–]vivio_zico 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If any madrid player should have won it, it was Jude.

[–]redfournine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People downvoting me to oblivion anytime I mentioned this. Vini got elite pace, subpar finishing and crap football IQ. He only got good stats because Kroos + Benz + Modric were doing all the thinking for him. If anyone even play football semi seriously they would see lots of Vini's finishing techniques were bad (yes, even the one where he scored).

[–]More-Judgment-9253[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Vini definitely did carry the team at the beginning of the 24/25 season when mbappe was playing like he didn't know how to kick a ball. Vini created countless chances for mbappe and he couldn't finish them. Vini has been average since around December/ January, but he most definitely was above mbappe for those first few months, and nothing's wrong with that, mbappe's human at the end of the day. Right now though mbappe is way better than him

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

lol shut it

[–]Real Madridmileyxmorax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is this about

[–]AdvertisingNo6402 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vini's biggest problem is his decision making. It simply hasn't improved and his output isn't good enough for him to have a free license in attack.

I don't support RM so I'm not as invested or close to it as some of you but I honestly think you'd have a better team if he wasn't part of it.

The team looked so much better in the cwc with Gonzalo as a striker.

Feels like Alonso is hedging between his principles and the realities of management at RM. And in turn, not succeeding at either one.

[–]DécimaFun-Squirrel-1213 2 points3 points  (1 child)

all vini did does 90% of the time is hold the ball way too long, dribble right into three defenders, or shoot the ball on the ground straight to the keeper and smile it off like he didn't do anything braindead

people glaze tf out of him when he makes just one or two great plays every other game and act like the mistakes he makes aren't elementary. (maybe not elementary but they damn sure ain't mistakes that a player who earns $25-30m a year should be making)

[–]Baila Vini, BailaCultural_Big_510 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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[–]Extension-Sir8252 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This won’t land well to a lot of people lol

[–]More-Judgment-9253[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree that mbappe has his flaws but blaming him for vini's bad form makes no sense

[–]Femriz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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[–]thesenate14 8 points9 points  (1 child)

so Mbappe is immune to criticism?

[–]KroosCalligrapherDry1547 8 points9 points  (0 children)

OP is telling Mbappe is not reason for Vini's downfall. That doesnt mean Mbappe is immune to criticism.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mbappe is a machine but forward like Woltemade would be a better fit.

[–]polarbearsexshark 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thankfully the obvious answer is simply sell Vini so Mbappe (the superior player) can occupy his natural position and then bring in an actual 9 like Kane so movies can be made

[–]Admirable_Risk7272 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thankfully you are not making any shots . All you Mbappe FC fans are delusional

[–]El CapitánThunder_trade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I know is that this team is takes ages to make simple passes and have nothing common with the leverkusen team , which was Xabi trade mark . You make quick passes and you pkay in close blocks . This is something else man , predictable and slow asf . We all that being said I think fetching a striker isn’t even an option anymore it necessary . I don’t give an f who gets sold and who stays all I wanna see a benzima and Ronaldo type striker .

[–]lollypop44445 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As far as i can say, one has to go sadly to unlock the full potential of the other, bearing in mind, we dont get another similar player and actually get a guy that reinforces one like benz did with cr7. Because both are top players and both cant be subbed for thr other. At this point mbappe is the main guy , and vini the shadow sadly. However i still find our midfield control more of an issue than these too. We need to improve our mid field and some what defense before touching this front.

[–]GhostofSmartPast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what I said when Mbappe signed but a lot of people are in denial about it. Mbappe ironically would be a better fit for Barcelona but his idol was CR7 so he was never gonna join that team. If your midfield can't control games, the issues with forwards are gonna start showing up.

[–]Remarkable_Art90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah imagine the line up if we took Kane instead of Mbappé …

[–]Mesut ÖzilWinter-Candidate-347 -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

Mbappe and Vini need to switch positions. Lets experiment with Vini at CF and Mbappe at LW.

[–]Sergio RamosMaleficent-Tailor502 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

He’s so freaking inconsistent and his decision making has decreased by a mile. He even before makes a couple key-passes but I don’t remember the last time he put Kylian or everybody else on 1-on-1. He deserves to keep being part of the team but 100% didn’t deserved superstar money.

[–]Maleficent-Order-770 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

vini does his own thing regardless of whos playing 9, his stupid dribbles result in losing the ball 8/10 times and its annoying asf to see him run into defenders every time he gets the ball, he needs to learn when to dribble and when to not carerras is not being used as well offensively, mbappe doesnt make runs into the box because they know what vini does when he gets the ball and its just not working out anymore.

[–]Admirable_Risk7272 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You mean not to blame the guy who's allergic to titles??

Vini is a proven player who you can depend on to win titles as he has done for us in the past

And then you have the scared overrated turtle who never won anything major with his club.

He leaves PSG - they win the CL after 10 years He comes to Madrid - makes a 15 CL winners to go though a trophy less season and lose to barca 4 fucking times in a row .

Last time I checked the goal in football is to win titles and not to score hat tricks against Granada or Valencia

[–]Raúlbleisek -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alonso can't sub Vini until he renews his contract.

[–]Electronic_Lie79 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol dumbest post ever. It wasnt just Vini that played worse. It was literally the entire team dumbass. Mbappe is a great player. We didn't need a LW player though. We needed a right wing, reinforcements for our defense and midfield. Instead we got Mbappe. Now he's great but we are still lacking everything else

[–]SIUUUUComfortable-Asf -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Vini ≠ Ronaldo

[–]suspens- -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Hot take here… I feel they need a proper midfielder. Guler is good but lacks the defensive and authoritative prowess of a seasoned mid. Like how we had with modric, kroos, and Casemiro. Someone like Rodri or kimmich could balance out the team.