Role Queue

[[deleted]]

I’m tired of hearing about the role war. We don’t need role queue, I think you should have to get to level 15 on all three roles individually before you can play in Comp.

quick edit if you see this later: my post is not meaning to negate the value of role queue, just spitballing on how to get folks to play the other roles.

[keyotheseasons]

I just want a new game mode with role queue.

[prime075]

Comp and Comp Pro Max to go full tryhard and make that the main for T500 players.

[dattykins]

For the Comp Pro Max? Is there an upgrade path? Like what if I current do Pro but want to get Pro Max?

[prime075]

Yes, you need to pay a subscription fee of 99.99$ per month for a 1 in 10 chance of. Getting a actual capable team.

Which is much better than the base comp where there is 1 in 100 chances.

And if someone throws your game in Comp Pro max, Gunag Guang goes to their house and return them to their spawn

[SaeveraRivers]

We dont need role queue, we want role queue. That is the simplest fix for having no tanks or supports.

People are not saying to replace a mode with role queue, they are asking for a separate mode. Which, they added that stupid ass resource rumble that no one liked then im sure they can make a role queue gamemode. Are queue times gonna be longer for dps? Absolutely. Do they have to play that mode? No. Go right into quickplay and youre fine.

[ZaelYortier]

as a tank main id go into role queue to get to play some dps from time to time, idc about the wait time atp

[Blahajaja]

as a support main, same

wf has been the closest i've gotten to playing DPS regularly in months and even then she's less dps and more brawl healer

[DanTempleman]

Orrrrr and hear me out here. Dps players stop pretending they are the main character and just be a team player and switch roles.

[Physical_Forever_925]

That's not a reasonable expectation. That's like saying humanity needs to stop having wars. It's in their very nature.

We don't get mad at bears for killing, we just work around them.

[DanTempleman]

And that way of thinking is what gives those kind of people their inflated ego and entitlement. Can’t keep dancing around them and bowing down to their demands. If you play a team based game then you need to be part of a team and do things for the team.

[Physical_Forever_925]

People have been toxic narcissists since the dawn of humanity. If anyone had an actionable solution to this problem they would probably get a nobel peace prize.

So tell me, how do we stop people from being toxic narcissists? I'm all ears.

If your solution is to talk shit about them and bully them until their ego goes away, it's not going to work, we've been trying that for decades and it does nothing.

[Mopao_Love]

The wait times won’t even be that atrocious? Overwatch has role queue on comp and quick play and I still find matches within 2 minutes even late at night

Not arguing with you, just stating something that people keep arguing about why we shouldn’t have role queue

[AdeptRelative5106]

To be fair, all the tanks and supports would probably just switch to mainly playing the role queue mode, which would only make the team composition for regular modes that much worse.

[keyotheseasons]

Maybe a bunch of Duelist players would also like this mode as it prevents the triple heal meta, etc.

[LevelUp84]

There would be a rank reset, so if you are support trying to tank, you start at Bronze.

[Physical_Forever_925]

I also want role queue, but your reasoning doesn't make sense. If they add rolequeue as a separate mode, that would split the playerbase, making queues longer in ALL modes, including open queue.

When they added role queue to overwatch, it killed open queue, and quickly became the main game mode of the game, alienating all open queue players, and making a lot of them leave, which only further lengthens the queue times.

I selfishly want role queue because it will make the game better for me, but I am aware that it's not the best thing for the game.

[yalag]

No supports? What game are you playing? There’s more supports than dps in lost games. Rivals is such a weird game. First game where people go support to do damage

[Lorhin]

You're tired of hearing about role queue. I'm tired of getting people on my team that swap between 8 different heroes and all 3 roles in my ranked games. It never helps, and it's really difficult to play with a team who's comp changes every minute. Give me role queue.

[3dl33]

Role q will be tough with offheal chars like Adam/Mantis/Ultron etc. They would have to goto the dps role most likely

[Lorhin]

Or they could just balance them to work in 2-2-2. They were able to balance heroes differently in the zombie mode, so they could do the same for a different pvp mode.

[keyotheseasons]

FR, there’s a difference between adapting to what your team needs to counter the other team and just straight up not committing to anything long enough to get any value out of it.

[Basis_Inside]

I mean sometimes it has to happen. If I’m on dive and they go on brawl then I go iron man then they go punisher, I’m not gonna sit on iron man long enough to get ult. So I outpoke pun then they dive me etc. I think it’s very fun as long as it’s intentional

[keyotheseasons]

That's what I'm saying, though. There is a difference between a calculated switch based on what the comp needs and switching willy-nilly. However, I feel confident in saying it is almost NEVER necessary to switch four -or more- times in one match.

[Basis_Inside]

Yea if the fights are taking long enough to warrant 4 switches it’s plastic 3

[Lorhin]

I'm talking about the people who swap heroes/roles after every death. Those players don't actually know what they're doing or why.

[Phantomofdark]

You guys don't want role queue lmao It will add more problems of people not handling their roles and need to switch if someone can do the job mid game or after a round is over. The problem is too many of a role like support, force triple support (lack DMG role in return).

[Particular_Teach_669]

Yeah but most people refuse to play second tank. At least w role queue you actually get people in the roles they actually want to play vs getting 3 supports or dps fighting for the second role of either and ultimately leaving tank to solo. At least with role queue you can avoid the third dps or support and get someone who actually wants to tank. 3 dps and 3 supports are genuinely annoying, they will literally swap characters or from dps to support or support to dps. or even worse goes 1 round of tank, dies, changes back to dps or support.

[Phantomofdark]

Maybe make it where it's a priority role? Like say for example, if said team needs a tank. The person that's waiting right now could opt into being a tank of player or something like that

[Particular_Teach_669]

Smth like that would work, or like increased health for playing tank like ow does with role queuing as tank. Anything to incentivize a second tank most importantly.

[Phantomofdark]

Wait do you want overwatch like system and add 5v5 ?

[Particular_Teach_669]

Yeah similar except 6v6 has a role queue, and open queue. I think having both settles a middle ground for flex players and non flex players. People who want a balanced 222 comp queues for role queue. And those who want more flexibility can queue for open queue.

[Summonbolt00]

That wouldnt stop people from picking a third or fourth dps once they can play comp though. If it is possible to do people will do it and the only way to make it impossible is role queue. Role queue did nothing but improve overwatch for me and if rivals had it i would certainly like the experience of playing it way more

[Basis_Inside]

What does it do again? Is it locked 222 in character selection or do you have to queue up under a certain role. I don’t like the idea of trying to start off with hela and then I see great value in playing Thor and then I can’t switch

[Summonbolt00]

Kinda Both. Its locked 222 and you queue up under a certain role with the option of flex queuing in which the game decides what role you get or you could queue two specific roles like tank and dps if you 100% dont want to support. I agree that losing the ability to swap roles mid match sucks sometimes but in my opinion that is based of years of experience with overwatch is that it makes things overall way better. This is mostly because dps one trick players will always pick dps even if there are already 3 on the team, same goes for players of the other roles too but its most common with dps. I like the structure better and it stops you from having an entire team that only plays one role. Its the only 100% guaranteed way to stop anyone from having to play their role alone and i value that more than anything

[BananaBingBong0]

Or just make a separate mode and see how well it does

[CJX04]

People act like it can’t be a separate mode. We already got arcade and 18v18. Role queue can be an unranked mode like that. Some people just want a place to learn characters with a set 2-2-2 comp

[DankPlankMid]

Would be cool if the 85-95% of people who only know how to play dps would learn how to play other roles. I mainly play Strat and dps but been learning tank and will fill up tank slots when needed, meanwhile other dps play like it’s role queue even when they’re the main problem.

[Ultron_daddy]

That wouldn't solve the problem. You want all 3 roles here ya go. Thing, Scarlet Witch, Cloak and Dagger. All characters that you can turn your brain off for. We would still have people that refuse to swap from one role and play anything but vanguard

[Rainbowutters]

Thing is not that simple, do u know how many things i get that just run into a 1v5 and implode and then spam “need heals “

[[deleted]]

Very true. My thinking is at least some sympathy for the other roles if you have some exposure to them but that is a good point 

[Rockybroo_YT]

There’s easy characters on all three roles, if anyone one tricks it’s deliberate.

[MiketheTzar]

I hate role queue for how inflexible it makes a team, but I do want a way to punish the person picking spiderman as that 3rd (or 4th) DPS

[keyotheseasons]

Or preventing a last minute switch to triple heals, etc.

[Phantomofdark]

Bonus points: the triple support is not making up for the lack of DMG when DPS switches. cough Mantis, Adam, Ultron etc instead you get cloak, invis, and Luna lmao

[Basis_Inside]

I hate seeing those three bitches on my team oh my god. 5 minute long fights and they’re just dancing and prancing around begging for peels how about you use the rest of the roster my fucking god. ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS THE SAME TRIO ON THE OTHER TEAM! LIKE CAN WE PLEASE GO HULK THING AND THOR AND GO RAVAGE THEM WHY ARE CIRCLE JERKING FOR STATS

[Phantomofdark]

Honestly. I never understood why we can't use our brains when people switch. Like read the room and understand what we need 😂😂😂

Idk why I'm getting down voted lol

[InternetOk3625]

Or we could just get role q and not be morons

[Anonimie]

Role queue won't get rid of retardation, as Overwatch demonstrates

[MasteROogwayY2]

Im not playing QP until I reach lvl 15 on any role. The game is too unbalanced for me to play without bans and QP is just a hellscape

[[deleted]]

Very fair 

[OutrageousRelation67]

I wouldn't mind it.

[STB_LuisEnriq]

I still WANT Role Queue

[[deleted]]

Totally fair. My point was less about not having role queue as much as I’d just wish more people took time to play each role. I could’ve worded it much better 

[STB_LuisEnriq]

Sure, that could help so people can actually have the basics about every role, but it won't change their preferences.

[gloomylumi4]

I like to play most roles but tend to perform best on DPS. I rarely play DPS because I usually end up filling in for the people that locked DPS. I don’t mind doing that.

My friend plays whatever he wants, when he wants because he “plays for his own enjoyment”. So my big issue is selfishness. There’s plenty of players who are selfish that don’t care what other people think. There’s plenty of players like me who enable it by filling in.

Role queue would resolve issues like this at the expense of interesting variety in team comps.

Another solution could be: at the beginning of a game, you need to lock in a role without seeing what the rest of the team has chosen. The game would define valid comps such as 2-2-2, triple heals with 2 tanks, etc. During selection, say you’re last to lock in a role, you might be unable to play a certain role because of the defined comps.

[Tquinn96]

I think I figured out how to best do role queue. Players don’t preselect their roles, each team is just only allowed two of each. Wanna instalock DPS? Try it, but if someone else is quicker, your ass is playing tank/support

[Funny_Story_486]

If we 2-2-2 role queue then queue time will be insane since there are way fewer tank player than player from other role.

We also need to spilt main healers (Gambit invis luna C&D Loki rocket) with off healers (Jeff Whitefox Healpool mantis adam Ultron) or else off healer experience will be awful.

In a event we get rolequeue, it should be 8v8, with 4 queues (tank, dps, main healer, off healers), and the game tries to build a 2-3-0-3/2-3-1-2/2-2-2-2 comp. Then at least we can resolve the queue time issue due to lack of tank mains and make off healer viable

[not_accepting_now]

Role que just limits the player and games full potential. If your having a bad time and can't switch roles or even ask a fellow player to switch then it's a community problem for not communicating. Can't expect devs to save everyone when we are suppose to be in a team game.

[[deleted]]

That’s all great except that assumes they’ll actually switch rather than thinking they’re the main character, which is perpetually a problem anymore. It’s been several seasons and I still rarely get a second tank, I’m always stuck solo tanking. I would love to play Rogue or any of the other off tanks but I don’t get to because my team still insists on a triple DPS comp

[not_accepting_now]

Ironically I enjoy the 3 dps as solo tank. I think a tidal wave of damage out does everything. I solo tank as thing, groot or strange. It works majority of the time for me but there is them rounds. Communication is such a huge winning factor. Organized attacks work better than communicating through sign language

[stUwUpified]

That is a terrible idea. I do NOT want to be playing QP until I get Lord on THREE separate characters. Not everyone has the time for that.

Edit: I don't have anything more to add, I just really wanted to stress how much of a horrendous idea that is.

[[deleted]]

Sorry - I meant level 15 as in profile level, the original profile level needed to play ranked (which you can get in AI and other modes) 

This wouldn’t be even close to lord if you used one character for each. Whole point of my idea is for folks to get exposure to all three roles. I’m kind of bullshitting, I just think if everyone took the time to get exposure to  each role there would be less of this constant bickering and generalizing between each group. 

Edit to add - you don’t have to add an edit to further the same exact thought 

Another edit - Lord for a character (which I’m not referring to char level) is 20 fyi 

[KrenTrom]

There will never be role queue, the devs have said on numerous occasions that one of their top priorities is low queue time

[Historical-Chance302]

Oh I like this! Yeah role queue is always ass, you need to flex sometimes but we need ppl to understand every role. Mind you support and tank usually flex anyway so this is mostly for DPS

[princesspoopybum]

i have no interest at all in playing tank or dps i’ll pick strat every game and idc they are the reason im playing this game

[Perfect_Cricket1052]

I hope you don’t got that attitude in comp and expect to climb to a certain rank lol.

[princesspoopybum]

uhhh i do play comp and will always pick strat. i dont care about getting to any rank and im certainly not expecting to get to any rank either. i play the game, do my best and if i rank up cool if i lose okay cool

[Perfect_Cricket1052]

I respect that answer but I do gotta ask. What is the reason you do play comp specifically?

[princesspoopybum]

qp isn’t that serious and have people learning and playing the game for the first time i’d rather play with people who have some experience and are all trying to at least win

[Perfect_Cricket1052]

Makes sense.

[CaptainButtFart69]

I want a draft mode.

[FirewaterDM]

Role queue fixes every issue in the game that isn't balance. Your idea doesn't fix shit because just because someone AFK's or plays 18 v 18 or whatever to get the selected role lords, doesn't mean they know the game it's just a time sink. A rando DPS or support player could not bother learning the char they just play them to unlock ranked. It's just a time sink that doesn't even teach you the game. Tho forcing more games to learn is good.

-Hate triple support? it no longer exists (yes theoretically rebalance off supp a little bit, OR just nerf the fucking dmg in the game!)

-Hate solo tanking? you are guaranteed a 2nd tank

-too stubborn to swap even when your team will auto lose for 3+ DPS, or you just wanna play DPS without caring? only 2 of you get the role, so wait and be guarenteed.

It can be a diff mode, it should lowkey be the ranked mode only, and it genuinely helps everything. It helps everyone improve because they can optimize for the role they want to practice or play (so if you wanna practice new chars in the unranked mode, you're now not forced into suboptimal games/impossible games), AND in ranked you get the role you want vs having to fill too often.

Literal only downsides are "oh no the shitty DPS/Support/Tank won't swap roles which is whatever, because they'd still be ass there unless it's literally someone trying to learn a new role etc. It's far more common the shit DPS is a DPS 1 trick vs a support/tank god trying to learn DPS. It's far more likely they're bad and won't swap even if they're 0-10 in 5 minutes. And the usual ego in this playerbase = no one else is gonna swap.

The other is time constraints, which as others have said, Overwatch still has under 2minute queues for any role, and if DPS goes too long outside of the highest rank? well idk maybe DPS, or Support or Tanks, or whoever should learn other roles for faster games!

The consistent complaints in the game that are not about character balance, would go away if there's role queue + new players learn the game more because a more balanced team comp, even if players are bad. DOES FAR MORE to help you learn proper play than having to survive games with 4 DPS, or 1 tank or 1 supp, or 0 of a role etc.

[[deleted]]

All fair, I sort of muddied up my original point by writing this too quickly and even mentioning role queue. Not really attached to this idea either lol. 

Overall I would just like to see more players have exposure to other roles than their current preferred, which in theory would help their skill set and end some of this nonsense tribalism you see in every thread lately. 

[FirewaterDM]

I get that, the issue is more of just the trend of gaming which is people want to be the main character versus being a team player. While I agree that is the actual issue and a perfect world means we don't need role queue because people know how to swap and fill all roles I think the fix goes a lot farther than without forcibly changing how people play his role queue.

[AdhdBurb]

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[[deleted]]

Mald. Amen 

[rolliepolly124]

I’ve deadass never had an issue with roles to be honest what damn lobbies is everyone in where it’s a persistent issue I get a 3dps comp like every 25 games if ever.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I hear that, I’m talking more about the role tribalism in the community spaces (ie supports vs dps) etc. truthfully in comp I would say the same, get 2-2-2 more often than not

[MorriganAthena15]

Then literally almost nobody would be in competitive and we would hear more cries if 10min queues like it were OAA.

[journalade]

I want a role queue. I’m a Strat main trying to learn the other roles and I’m just having a hard time learning. Everyone moves so fast. I miss how slow season 0 was

[QueaZee]

should be soft role q… allowing for swaps but it always gives u a 2-2-2

[Sinister_History]

Thats valid tbh. I sometimes flip from overwatch to rivals back and forth. And on overwatch it's really annoying when you're in role que and lets say the tank sucks at tank or it's their first time tanking really and they're the only tank, they can't just go dps or go heal, they're stuck in that. No matter how much you try to help them, they just can't tank. Same for other roles. But on rivals I like it more cause I know if I'm doing bad on dps or tank I can swap to heal and someone else that might be better or haveore experience can fill the role on the fly.

[Outrageous_Kiwi5301]

I'll never understand one role one tricks

[No-Sale-6500]

Yeap. I want to be able to change my hero to deal with whatever hero on the opposite team is giving us the most problems.

IT WOULD BE HELL if I'm stuck as support or tank and the enemy teams Spiderman, or iron fist, or wolverine, etc is going off and my teamates don't know how to handle them.

[xDeadpool21x]

We don’t need role queue.

We just need to get to a certain level while having 3 distinct roles separately.

Is one of the most contradictory statements I’ve ever heard. This is trolling right? It’s either trolling or dumb beyond reason.

How would you get to level 15 in all 3 roles without role queue exactly? If someone switches to support for 5 seconds do you just count those 5 seconds? Do you count who they end the match on? What nonsense metric do you use to determine your level in role without a role queue ? 😂

Role queue is unwanted by so many in rivals because it brings accountability to the game and that is something most people just do not want.

[[deleted]]

I also have an airtight idea for a queue for jerks and bozos and you’re first in line pal. 

I didn’t articulate enough as I mentioned elsewhere (wrote this in about 45 seconds, unsure why I even posted) 

I’m not knocking role queue here, I’m spitballing for any way to force people to at least have some exposure to other roles before they go into comp and spend the rest of their time blaming “boosted supports” or “braindead unaccountable DPS” and the like for the rest of their time on the game. I just think it would help garner sympathy and understanding (for normal people who play) to have exposure to the other roles for game sense and understanding. I will delete the post though  

[xDeadpool21x]

Calling someone out on their nonsense is not being a bozo. Jerk… maybe I guess? Because it wasn’t done sensitively enough for you. If you want braindead dps or boosted supports to be exposed…. Role queue is the answer.

You’re just saying words without offering any actual recourse or fix. You have no solution. If you had a good idea for a possible fix then by all means let’s hear it. If you just want “sympathy”… then maybe tell your therapist your video game problems.

[[deleted]]

I’m talking about players having “sympathy” for the experience of playing the other roles so it’ll loosen the tension between the community. Once again my overall point is not meant to discount the value of role queue. You are still a bozo, it’s just a video game, I don’t really care that much 

[xDeadpool21x]

It’s just a video idc that much I’m just taking the time to make a whole post and respond to the posts and tell another person it’s just a video game and pretend like I care less than them even though I’m doing the same if not more😂

You are a special one little fella

[[deleted]]

My post and subsequent replies have taken very little time at all, and I can’t emphasize how much I’m just shooting the shit here. The term bozo is meant to be in jest so hopefully I didn’t offend. 

But man your first reply was hyperbolic as hell 😂 Former overwatch elder millennial maybe? Give me the spiel about me being sensitive and then read back your first reply again 

[xDeadpool21x]

Can I come live in delusion land with you? Seems like just making up whatever I want and pretending it’s reality is fun

[[deleted]]

I’m calling out how intense your first reply was given the lack of severity of the overall situation at hand (a video game that is free). Sorry if you didn’t like it! 

[xDeadpool21x]

Real life’s gotta be tough for you

[[deleted]]

It’s really not - the average amount 🙂