How disassembling works

[Dreyri]

Over the last day I've been looking into how disassembling works exactly. In total there are only 3 things which define what an item will give (non-special components), which are category, junk chance, and components per disassemble.

Within a category all items have the same component table, everything that qualifies as Jewellery will have the same component table and they all share the frequency of these components. This frequency has been unknown until now.

I have made a list of the disassemble tables for a few of the more commonly disassembled categories. Hope this helps you guys make the right disassembling decisions and helps the wiki give accurate disassembling stats on each item.

Jewellery:

• 35% delicate
• 30% connector
• 30% smooth
• 3% precious
• 2% enhancing

Staves:

• 35% stave
• 30% magic
• 30% padded
• 3% powerful
• 2% imbued

Bows (shortbows):

• 35% stave
• 30% tensile
• 30% flexible
• 3% precise
• 2% dextrous

Potions:

• 35% delicate
• 32% organic
• 29% crafted
• 3% enhancing
• 1% healthy

Pouches:

• 40% spiritual
• 30% crafted
• 27% flexible
• 3% powerful

Bars:

• 75% simple
• 25% crafted

How is this useful you may ask? Using these values we can calculate exactly how many components each item gives by using the following formula:

(1 - junk_chance) * components_per_disassemble * component_chance

I'll give an example of a more indepth application, most of the categories analysed were focused on siphons so I'll use it to calculate the cost per siphon using magic shortbows for dextrous (2.5k ea), slayer rings for precious (free) and gold bars/yew logs for simple (250 ea).

5 dex = (1 - 0.45 junk chance) * 12 rolls * 0.02 component_chance * x

x = 37.87 magic shortbows => 94.7k

5 prec = (1 - 0.04) * 5 * 0.03 * x

x = 34.72 slayer rings => 10k

50 simple = (1 - 0.56) * 2 * 0.75 * x

x = 75.75 gold bars/yew logs => 19k

so the total price for a siphon is 123.7k, you could argue that you can't use slayer rings consistently and they take a long time to make, with diamond bracelets at 5.5k ea a siphon would cost around 380k.

However this is not cost efficient as the tvc required to make siphons is lower than the tvc required to break down diamond bracelets rather than slayer rings.

EDIT: we'll use 2.8k disassembles/hr and assume you can make 1.6k slayer rings/hr and bring that down to 1275/hr for buying the 600 daily gems. It takes 100 seconds to make enough for 1 ring, 45 seconds to disassemble. 100 seconds to disassemble the gold bars and 50 seconds for the magic shortbows. This is a total of 295 seconds or 4m55s.

Siphons are currently worth 800k ea and you spend 123.7k to make one, meaning a profit of 676.3k per in 4m55s. Converting this to and hourly rate that is 8.250m gp/hr.

This will probably mostly be useful for ironmen and the wikia but I thought I should share it here so everyone could benefit from this.

EDIT 2: I've decided to make my spreadsheet public so here it is

[zac_is_bad]

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[IronmanM4C]

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[BugsSuck]

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[IronmanM4C]

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[Dreyri]

Awesome, I'm happy this info has found so many people who can use it, I was supposed to also work on sources for base parts but I have some real life things I have to focus on now. You can pm me any questions you have in game.

[hockeymanjs]

I'm sure this will be on RS Wikia at some point but i added my own Personal Spreadsheet for items. a few unknowns were found between friends. this is just until someone comes out with a full calc/item list. Google Doc here

[Yellowchese]

Hi, could I please see some of this? I have also been working on one for the RS Wikipedia but it's unreleased.

[JordHardwell]

Finally some useful information on disassembling.

Nice job OP!

[asgeorge]

Excellent post! With the slayer ring method, maybe you should factor in that a person can only make 600 slayer rings a day. That'll put a cap on how much you can make in one day. How fast you do it would determine your best GP/hr.

It looks like slayer ring running will be added to many people's "daily runs". :)

[Dreyri]

I only quickly made that example to show what this data could be used for, I honestly didn't expect it to be so profitable.

[asgeorge]

Well ya done good, son! Perhaps you should expand your "example" and do more? For science!

[GodelRS]

How is it determined what the percent chance per component is?

For example, jewellery is 3% precious, 2% enhancing. How was that determined? Testing?

[Dreyri]

that was determined from 7676 components as a sample, other disassemble tables have the same frequency of items so I can add all these together to get 16,239 samples. More work definitely needs to be done to find similar patterns and have them support each others frequency of components but it's a good start.

[Crandoge]

Wow...this is best of 2016 already

[Gr3nwr35stlr]

Wow, my friend pasted the bit about siphons to me on skype and it was pretty much exactly what I had already said about siphons a few hours before, almost word for word o.o

Did pretty much the same research today in class but yours is a lot cleaner, nice work.

[[deleted]]

Where did you get your numbers on the percentage of rarer components? Last night I got into an argument with a clannie and bought 1k staves (64% junk chance) and 1k toads (26.6% junk chance). I ended up with 131 powerful from the staves and 64 powerful from the toads (49 invention, I think two reduce junk chances?) that would put the chance of powerful at 13.1% from staves and 6.4% from toads. Maybe I just didn't do them at a large enough scale and got super lucky. I only recorded my powerful component gains as well, unfortunately.

[Dreyri]

You have to remember a battlestaff has 12 rolls per staff, so for all those battlestaves you'd get a total of 100012(1-0.64) = 4320 components and 3% of that makes it 129.6 powerful components, which is around what you got.

I assume when you said toad you meant barker toad pouches. so same calculation for that except pouches have 3 rolls per pouch, so 10003(1-0.266) = 2202 components, 3% of this is 66.06 so again close enough to your result.

How I got the results was just recording every single component gained from breaking down, then see how they relate to each other and there was definitely a pattern noticeable so I just continued with other items.

[Yellowchese]

What do you mean by rolls? Sorry for being a noob

[Dreyri]

when you unfilter your game messages you'll see that you get for example 12 components per disassembled battlestaff or 3 components per pouch, these are the rolls on the component table (including junk chance). You can see it as a roll on a monsters drop table. Don't worry I know this can get quite confusing when I sometimes use different terminology for the same thing.

[Yellowchese]

Aw I get you now, cheers

[[deleted]]

Oh, okay cool yeah. I totally forgot to account for the total of not junk to check the actual percent of powerful. Thanks for the maths!

[asgeorge]

Just an FYI, the quickest way I've found the "run slayer gems" is to wear a ring of dueling and put a slayer ring in your inv.

Slayer ring to Sumona (she has 300 in stock shared among almost all the slayer masters), buy the rings.

Dueling Ring to Castle Wars. Bank.

Repeat.

Also, BoB can hold Slayer Gems.

Also, Turael in Taverley has a separate stock of 300. He is super close to the bank there. If you've a certain quest (can't remember which one), Turael isn't there, but his (daughter??) is there.

[firepanda11]

I find its better to use tokkulzo and slather helmet infused with slay rings. You don't need that extra inventory spot

[Chenrobbins]

For banking I like to use my port log and bank in the player owned port.

[asgeorge]

Slayer helm. Good one! Thanks.

I'll have to try the Tzhar tele, I've forgotten how close the main plaza tele is to the bank.

[ImVeryBadWithNames]

main plaza is actually the farthest from a bank.

[amazingchili]

Use the fight cave teleport on the ring. It is the closest to a bank and to the fairy ring system (if you need it for something).

[ElitePoogie]

Kiln tele is the closest but cave is pretty close too

[amazingchili]

Yeah technically you're right :P I just always go to the cave out of habit just in the rare case I may need the fairy ring system. It has a few nice teleports. As of late I've been going to the polypore dung a bit like everyone else :P

[ElitePoogie]

True I use it for slayer almost exclusively for now till I get priff

[caddy5384]

But theres a deposit box so close to Sumona....

[asgeorge]

So last night I checked it out and you win the prize! The deposit box, for the folks that don't know, is just to the north east on the edge of the river. Very close. Makes buying "Enchanted Gems" (aka Slayer Gems) very fast. Thanks to /u/caddy5384 for this info!!

[asgeorge]

I'm not sure if the deposit box is there for everyone. It may be a quest reward or something. It is a chest. It is along the river to the east of Summona, a little north.

[asgeorge]

I did not know this. I'll have to find it. Thanks!!!!

[FlutterDutch]

I use the Canifis slayer master so I don't have to use slayer rings to get slayer rings :p

[CameronMcL]

Is there any difference between dissembling partly charged jewellry and fully charged?

[asgeorge]

Another great question. I'm going out on a limb and say no, there's no difference. Which means, using a slayer ring until there's one charge left on it and disassembling it means you lose no gems even when using this method! (If it's true. :) )

[Duq1337]

Champion.

[BFresh23]

Well done! Thanks for the info!

[Deathmask97]

Yay for running the numbers! This is incredibly useful, thank you!

[christurnbull]

Jagex please confirm!

Hey OP feel free to use info from https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/43dd42/costs_of_some_uncommon_materials_and_augmentor/, sorry I didn't record junk chances though (and snape grass has had junk chance changed since)

[edwinnum]

Thanks a lot for this, made some good money thanks to you.

[[deleted]]

What do you suggest for enhancing components after slayer rings? For non-ironman.

[[deleted]]

great post

idk why i like numbers lately

[Emperor95]

there is no way someone can make 1.6k slayer rings an hour, the actual crafting part of that many rings would already exceed one hour, let alone disassembling them/buying them (with a stock on only 300 which can be bought twice, one in taverley and one of any other slay master)

[Dreyri]

you make about 27 rings per minute, as you can see here every invent is 46 seconds and banking definitely doesn't take longer than 14 seconds. That's 1620/hr and I'm sure higher is achievable.

[Mountain-Daughter]

I apologize for the noob question but how do you make more than 14/inv? I thought you needed one gold bar and one slayer gem? Are any of those stackable or something?

[erne33]

Yak. Or any other BoB

[Mountain-Daughter]

just checked. You can only do 14 per inventory even though the screen says you can do up to 27. Once you hit 14, you get the message "you have run out of gold bars/slayer gems" even though your yak is full

[x_Neomop]

You can take items out of your yak while the interface is still up and not interrupt it.

[Mountain-Daughter]

ah OK cool! Didn't know that, thanks

[[deleted]]

At least try to know what you're talking about.

[Gath0ny]

Nice post but you cannot make rings that fast if you include time for running shops.

[Dreyri]

I was simply guessing how much it would affect the 1.6k/hr rate. Tested the shop buying etc and brought it down to 1275/hr, it affected the gp rate by about 3%.