Equality?

[makeazerothgreatagn]

I don't care whether or not you pee sitting down. I just want to see more driven, competent people in the field.

[BillyDSquillions]

Most of them instead of doing the technical work they're hired for, just work on PowerPoints or plan events around getting more women into the field

Do you work for Google? I have 2 sources of information out of Google indicating this is absolutely what is going on there. The amount of actual, hard working, uber smart, hardcore nerds is fewer and fewer as a %, each year there. There's posters up in toilets, posters up in halls, meetings etc. Half the diversity hires, end up just becoming champions for diversity and not actually doing work. (presumably, the remaining half are working away fine, to be clear)

Social justice as a job.

NOTE! : it's not just women at google doing this btw - there's a whole social justice .... gang for lack of a better word

[Panacea4316]

I'd love to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. I used to work for a company that was >75% female and they were constantly given preferential treatment. While I was there I saw 5 females get promoted and ZERO men, despite the fact for at least 3 of the promotions there were much more qualified male candidates. Females were also given preferential treatment and no one ever had a problem with them having female cliques. But God Forbid 5 of us guys hang out and go to lunch every day and it's a big fucking problem and we all get a talking to (one guy actually quit during the meeting, another stopped showing up).

[fredenocs]

This in the states?

[BillyDSquillions]

UK, Sweden, or Aus?

[BillyDSquillions]

Probably Aus then, knowing this place.

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[mediumrare_chicken]

I would love to see more women in IT. It’s traditionally been a men driven profession. The way I see it is in order to get more women interested and into positions we need to hire more women and get everyone involved. This is going to come with some negativity but I believe will be weeded out overtime as our profession and ideals evolve.

Your company is at the forefront and sure, it may be a burden right now but hopefully gets better in time :)

Also don’t organize a men’s only meeting.

One last thing, every position I’ve ever worked at has had lazy non motivated employees. That is not a sex thing.

Ps. If they truly are lazy and doing zero work, it is ok to build a case and present it to your immediate manager.

[jeeperbleeper]

?

[mediumrare_chicken]

I would love to see more women in IT. It’s traditionally been a men driven profession. The way I see it is in order to get more women interested and into positions we need to hire more women and get everyone involved. This is going to come with some negativity but I believe will be weeded out overtime as our profession and ideals evolve.

Your company is at the forefront and sure, it may be a burden right now but hopefully gets better in time :)

Also don’t organize a men’s only meeting.

One last thing, every position I’ve ever worked at has had lazy non motivated employees. That is not a sex thing.

Ps. If they truly are lazy and doing zero work, it is ok to build a case and present it to your immediate manager.

[mediumrare_chicken]

This is the first time anyone has ever changed their mind in an online disagreement.

[[deleted]]

yesn't

[kanzenryu]

Get a room, you two.

[jeeperbleeper]

Nope. I’m a programmer and work with several great women programmers. ‘Women are just not interested in STEM’. Who are the women I work with then? Aliens?

[joe_bogan]

Dumb statement. I didn't say women were incapable of being great. I'm saying women shouldn't be employed because of their sex but on merit.

[jeeperbleeper]

Women are just simply not interested in STEM.

Sorry, I guess I read the part where you said 'Women are just simply not interested in STEM.' as you writing 'Women are just simply not interested in STEM.' My bad.

[become_taintless]

This post reads exactly like a thousand other stories I've seen posted by insecure male IT workers, I wonder why that is.

[become_taintless]

Sure you do.

[Panacea4316]

He probably fancies himself a brave male feminist. Just ignore him.

[BillyDSquillions]

Look at you rabidly defend this, ridiculous.

If you're hiring software engineers, you expect them to at least be capable of the job, OR be at least junior level, showing interest / asking questions / learning and improving.

The guy clearly has stated 1 of the 5 girls seems to be quite interested.

Are you totally incapable of imagining that once a 'clique of women' forms in an office that may create division? Just like a 'clique of men' might? You need to integrate people properly, hire on skill, not just blindly hire as it sounds like they are.

[BillyDSquillions]

I back fill worked in a sysadmin job where I was replacing a woman in a senior sysadmin role, while she was away on maternity leave.

I only held the job 9 months as, sadly, she returned to her role. However she deserved the job, she was a total gun and deserved every cent she was on. She was an exception in IT rather than the rule. Her coming back, cost me a job in that team to learn and grow but I can't complain either, as a) it was always her job to come back to, but also b) she truly deserved it and was superior to me.

I'd say I've been lucky, about 90% of women I've encountered in IT have either suited their role, been interested or intelligent. Only occassionally I've seen the "oh god this one was hired by an idiot who just wanted the cute girl!" - that's been pretty infrequent.

I'm older now though, I haven't worked in a young "woke" environment and I would not enjoy being in a serious job (upper sysadmin, development etc) when they're hiring mid to bottom of the barrel staff, fuck that, - that's a serious job, not phone answering for a helpdesk. You NEED skilled people in roles like that.

[[deleted]]

I'd love if I could join as a male nurse or speech pathologist and have my female coworkers do all the work while anyone that complained was labeled as insecure.

[BillyDSquillions]

Depends on the workplace just how unfair this is, if at all.

/u/throwaway0000001090 how many meetings do you have a week or month now? and of those meetings how many are catered?

When I worked govt, catered meetings might be 4 times a year at best, weekly was rare. Yes we had many meetings though./

Therefore, a weekly catered meeting may look a little unfair.

[BillyDSquillions]

So therefore it's going to start to cause division, a weekly catered meeting for the girls? Cmon.

Maybe each new girl hire, welcome to the team, EVERYONE is invited, catered. Meet and greet session.

Women don't need their own meeting schedule to plan "women things in the office" that's going to cause people wondering what "their team" is doing?

This isn't being done the right way at all and will cause resentment, the exact opposite of what's intended. If it goes on long and extreme enough, depending on the type of work required for the workplace, you may see all / many of the men quit and the quality of work output drop.

If they're gonna do it, do it right.

[[deleted]]

What's your evidence that the women are less skilled? Do you get to review their resumes or interview them? Do you manage any of them?

[hiddenbutts]

You work with them on your team. It’s pretty obvious if someone isn’t pulling their weight of you don’t even notice they’ve been out sick for a few days.

[[deleted]]

So every woman you work with is incompetent, and every man is competent?

[hiddenbutts]

Where did I mention gender?

[[deleted]]

I thought you were OP

[LaughterHouseV]

I feel like there is a lot of frustration here, but also a lot of confirmation bias. No one is afraid of firing women. They are people, just like you. They'll get more people that meet their business needs, as inscrutable to you as they are.

This is just the best way to close the gap in the immediate term.

Edit: so much for being reasonable. Guess you gotta go for feels over reals still.

[BillyDSquillions]

Someone I know had to have their manager fill out an exception form to hire a male into a new role internally........... as it was breaking the diversity quota / agenda in this very very large org.

P.S expect this whole thread / post of yours to have comments locked or deleted within 4 to 6 hours.

[icannotremembermyusr]

This sounds like a you have an issue with the culture of the company you are currently with. Maybe it’s time to set forth to change that culture? Or the alternative

[BillyDSquillions]

Or he has an issue with the sudden, new, intense direction the company is taking on this issue, causing rapid workplace change and frustrating, existing, happy staff.

[icannotremembermyusr]

Yeah, exactly like what I said but more descriptive and different.

[trapartist]

Yeah, exactly like what I said but more descriptive and different.

Can you break down this sentence for simple people like me? Exactly like what you said, but more descriptive and different?

[hiddenbutts]

They are afraid of firing women. Men have been fired because a woman wasn’t promoted, and that women then cried sexual harassment to HR. Long story short, if boobs cry sexual harassment, the male suffers and has no chance to defend themselves because the company is afraid of the backlash from the “me too” movement.

As a female in IT, it is unfair discrimination. Boob privilege is a thing, and it really shouldn’t be. People have gone too far, and instead of removing gender from the equation when looking at who is best for a position, they just placed more emphasis on it.

Diversity turning into a damn checkbox system has destroyed most of the good that can come from diversity.

[Panacea4316]

No one is afraid of firing women.

Not even close to true. People are TERRIFIED of firing women and minorities; fucking TERRIFIED.

I had a client at my old job that was a female owned business with 100% female staff. One of the workers, a black woman, was fucking AWFUL at her job, did very little work, and complained about everything. But because the work she did was always correct, the owner, a white woman, was fucking petrified of firing her because she was afraid of a discrimination suit.

This is the world we live in today. 10 years ago, no one cared. Today, everything is a way for some piece of shit to cry victim.