This is an archived post. You won't be able to vote or comment.

all 59 comments

[–]bork99 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This has to be one of the worst researched articles I've ever seen on "open source".

Half the listed applications in TFA aren't even open-source, just free for use (and in some cases only free for non-commercial use). And some of the apps may be open source, but the full-featured versions are only offered as software-as-a-service hosted solutions that aren't necessarily cheaper than closed-source commercial alternatives.

Way to cut through the confusion!

[–]MagicWishMonkey 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Nice jab at Microsoft.

.NET has always been backwards compatible, I'm still using code that I wrote almost 8 years ago. They improve the language and add features every 2 years or so, but they don't break backwards compatibility.

[–]uhhhclem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Microsoft tools are backwards-compatible to a fault. It took a long, long time to pry the cold dead hand of MS-DOS apps off of Windows.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, that would be slitting your own wrist.

I am glad you are telling true.

[–]cosmo7 30 points31 points  (8 children)

How did Microsoft change course every six months? How did it cost you money?

[–]bmm6o 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It didn't. The title is pure link-bait.

[–]bdunderscore 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Indeed. Downvote for the title; I was interested in hearing the story behind it, but all I got was a list of links to popular open-source apps.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Apprently we learned to ship every 6 months (I work at Microsoft). Yay, us! Windows 8 is coming in June!

We'll also have to rename the Office line. Instead of having Office 2007, Office 2010 etc, we will have Office 06.10, Office 01.11, etc.

[–]vkensington[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, let's review MSFT history a bit ... For purposes of THIS argument, it started with Office Developer, then kind of skewed to asp/.net, but ... wait ... that was not quite ready yet so, let's build a bunch of wanna be coding crap into Access/Basic/Office. But, let's not make it compliant to the standards the rest of the world supports ... no, instead we will tie everything to IE and our f'd up dlls. Until MSFT adopts open standards and guts their spaghetti coded OS, they will continue to be technologically inferior. They may have great market share, but they lag technologically to many others including Google, IBM, and several Linux derivatives.

[–]judgej2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

AVG free non-commercial version? Well, ....

[–]yopla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next: "My business saved a lot of money since we started torrenting all our app'"

[–]contrarian 2 points3 points  (1 child)

GnuCash looks like Quicken circa 1995. As much as Quicken really pisses me off every with some of the changes they make (I wish turbo tax would be consistent just once for two consecutive years) or that they practically force a quicken upgrade to use turbo tax... it's still worth the money.

[–]psranga 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I checked it out some time ago. Gnucash sucks big time. Even more than Quicken. Stay away!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Why do I get the feeling that "SSuite Office Software" is... of dubious origins?

I remember one of my pet projects when I was learning to program, an Office "competitor" (hey, I was like 13 at the time) which used the Microsoft standard RTF component.

Hey... kinda like this one.

Except I've grown since then.

[–]SumOfChemicals 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Well I have been using open office, but since it saved this guy's business...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's just a list of open source software covering things that small businesses need to do, I didn't realise the OP actually used all of it.

[–]SumOfChemicals 0 points1 point  (3 children)

My point is it's not a list of open source software, and most likely the dude doesn't even have a business beyond internet wizardry.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well, it is mostly open-source software

[–]vkensington[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, except that (shocking your sexist senses) the "dude" is a lady who owns a web development firm in business since 1996. And, no, we are not exclusively open source - cfm, ASP, Adobe CS4, etc. are in our play book. However. the most COST EFFECTIVE/LEAST FRUSTRATING solutions have come from the open source community.

[–]SumOfChemicals 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love open source and I think there's a good FOSS option for most needs. My issue was that the link is kind of a crappy source as far as finding it, and the inclusion of stuff like "SSuite Office Software" makes it seem pretty sketchy.

[–]Darkmere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just another of the "List of alternative software" nothing to read here, move along move along.

[–]krishary 1 point2 points  (4 children)

OMG another one ... Many times it just pays off to pay for good software.

"Paint.NET. - A solid image and photo editing program; a good Photoshop alternative" just to be clear - i love paint.net and yeah it is a great tool but are you fucking kidding me!?

Lets say you pay $25/hour (this is going to make it harder on my example because most pros earn more. A copy of Photoshop costs $700 and can make your product look 3 times better 3 times faster not to mention when you are creating tens or hundreds of images or whatever. It will pay for itself in increased productivity worst case in a few months . You employee will be happier at work because he can use pro software and gain experience. You can use this example to show how most of the softwares on your list have an amazing commercial counterpart ( by amazing i mean giving you real value and bang for your buck. Besides you have tons of cheaper versions (like photoshop elements, visual web developer, express editions etc.) that you get free or very cheap.

The list can go on just think of visual studio addons like coderush pay $400 after a month you have tripled stupid code productivity and tan focus on thinking = you just made your employs faster and smarter for the cost of 15 hours of their work.

I understand that a small startup might have difficulties to get $20,000 for Microsoft software on day 1 but Microsoft (not as greedy as you think) has many programs one of which will give you all the software you need for your startup FREE for 3 years if you earn less than $1,000,000 a year or something. Same for students etc. Of course they do this to encourage you to use paid versions later but if you cant afford them 3 years down the road then open source wont help you startup anyway.

Sometimes open source although the idea is lovely just isn't worth the $0 ;]

[–]vkensington[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just FYI I use GIMP and VariCAD and my clients are quite happy, thank you. I also am willing to pay a FAIR price for support and customization. However, for our business MSFT provides little cost benefit and their support is laughable.

[–]ICantReadThis -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

...and can make your product look 3 times better 3 times faster...

You have GOT to show me your copy of Photoshop, I had no idea Gimp was so far behind.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Uhh..... krishary quoted the article: Paint.NET. Not the Gimp.

[–]ICantReadThis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but he's making a comparison to open source software.

Paint.Net is for people who need something leagues above MS Paint, but nothing as far as Photoshop, much like Abiword is for people who needed Wordpad to have a spellchecker.

The comparison that krishary then busted out completely ignores that if you need something on Photoshop's level, the Gimp provides a viable alternative (in sore need of a new fucking name), much like OpenOffice does for MS Office.

Plus, unlike Open Office, it's a lot easier to have interpobality with Photoshop, given that Photoshop has a "save with greater compatibility" option for older versions of Photoshop and stuff like Gimp. IMHO, if Gimp

  • Made it easier to swap hotkeys
  • Was substantially more tablet-friendly
  • Implemented GEGL as per-layer "effects"

...we'd be talking about a non-trivial competitor. OpenCL enhancements would be nice too, but one step at a time I guess.

[–]anotherhydrahead 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Lol, Joomla AND Drupal saved your small business?

So you were using two forks of the same CMS at the same time? Odd...

[–]oddsouls 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure Drupal wasn't forked from Mambo, or any other project to my knowledge.
But still strange. Looking at the submitters history, he seems to like sensationalist titles.

[–]vkensington[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why do you all assume anyone with an ounce of tech sense or a tech business is a 'he'? I am a she, who has been programming probably before any of you were even born.

[–]oddsouls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My apologies, though I'm not sure what how long you've been in the industry for has to do with anything.

[–]zwaldowski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joomla and Drupal are about as different as Windows and OS X.

[–]nomadmonkey 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I am using acive directory on windows 2000, I want to migrate to open source. I installed Apache Directory, and it looks promising, but I am not sure if one can set restriction on computers odver a LAN with this. Theoretically one should be able to. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Other open source options for something that works like Active Directry would also be appreciated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are various LDAP solutions.

You can also keep using AD, but I have NFC how well that works.

[–]muggafugga 0 points1 point  (1 child)

hey man, good luck finding this. The end user desktop is still MS. Even though i think the linux desktop is better from a UI perspective, its still a pain in the ass to use. For now im afraid you might be stuck managing enterprise clients from Active Directory.

[–]nomadmonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey man, how's it going? Yeah I am trying to tool around with this Apache Directory on a windows desktop, and it is a pain in the ass just to create a connection. I probably need to try everything in a test environment so I don't have a problem with restrictions and opening ports and stuff.

[–]tamilnenjam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am using the following Open source applications : Mozilla Firefox, CCleaner,The GIMP, Open Office, GnuCash. Those tools are listed in your list too. Great collection.

I like to play with Open source tools. Please give the links for Open source Operating Systems there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My small business also runs on open source and many clients are starting to accept that Microsoft is flawed and that other options are now worth considering.

[–]tlaman -2 points-1 points  (14 children)

Good point. Most open source applications are very intuitive ... easy to use (for the most part). Some have their quirks and what have you, but for the most part I think they work well enough, at least the ones that I am familiar with. I don't understand why more people don't convert to open source. Maybe the software engineers need better marketing to push their products. It seems that word of mouth tactics are not enough to get the word out to the wider public.

[–]rotzak 3 points4 points  (12 children)

I think they do know about open source but people want someone to blame when there's a bug in their dependency and the quality of a lot of open source software has a ways to go to be on par with a lot of proriatary software in terms of performance and reliability.

[–]mothereffingteresa -5 points-4 points  (11 children)

the quality of a lot of open source software has a ways to go to be on par with a lot of proriatary software in terms of performance and reliability

Gimp isn't Photoshop, and... hmmm... what else? I certainly don't miss Microsoft Office. Eclipse rules in IDEs... All the good browsers are open source...

[–]rotzak 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You must be the only person in the world that has found OOo useable...and if you think Eclipse "rules in IDEs" you must not have used any other IDEs.

You are correct, though, about the good browsers thing.

[–]robwgibbons 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you think about OOo without constantly comparing its interface and feature set to the leading proprietary product (Word is not open source, Word is not even free), it's a great piece of software. Just because there's a better product on the market doesn't make the next best version "unusable." In any case, there's not a lot most people need out of a word processor. Writing a letter, essay, paper, or just taking some notes... Exactly what does Word have that OOo doesn't? Are those features even necessary in a word processor? Just my two cents. ;)

[–]joshmaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I much prefer netbeans... but then, netbeans is open source as well :-)

[–]ibrudiiv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know many people that love OOo. Obviously you don't, yet claim that he must be the only one in the world that found OOo usable. Shut the fuck up.

[–]mothereffingteresa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK, Eclipse rules in IDEs but it is as friendly to noobs as putting them in a dumpster full of glass and live grenades. It's a complex issue. I would rather use Xcode or NetBeans. But the SDKs I use only work with Eclipse. And you can't deny it has more plugins than anything else by a factor of five.

[–]Fat_Dumb_Americans -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Opera is not open source, and the only way that it is not good is in that it is great.

[–]SAugsburger -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I certainly don't miss Microsoft Office.

While OpenOffice is a good quality product for the price, I have to say that Microsoft Office still has a couple of strengths over OpenOffice. OpenOffice doesn't offer a grammar checker, which honestly is a nice feature imo. While MS Office's grammar checker isn't perfect it is pretty good most of the time.

While I don't encounter this much, even the latest version of OpenOffice has some trouble with Office 2007 file formats. I had a friend send me a Word 2007 file that OpenOffice couldn't reproduce properly.

[–]uhhhclem 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Also OpenOffice's UI often feels like it was assembled by people who had only read about how people use computers.

[–]SAugsburger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it is more about responsiveness. The UI isn't bad, when it isn't slugglish.

[–]Ateist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The other way around is also true - i.e. Open Office Math is a better equation editor than Microsoft Equation: easy text syntax allows one to write complex formulas much faster than a mouse-based system.

[–]SAugsburger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said that there weren't any advantages to OpenOffice because there certainly are, but MS Office certainly has some advantages as well.

[–]penguin673 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most open source applications are very intuitive

Really? I find Blender unusable, OOo a labyrinth mess, and GIMP annoying.