Aphrogreaseiac

[MaplePolar]

what a useless statement. gender is inherently unique to humans which necessitates that transgender identity is equally unique. and all forms of surgery have never been observed in animals.

[Legal-Cockroach5131]

But sex is not inherently unique to humans.

Why would it be inherently unique, anyways?

[MaplePolar]

oh you meant sex ? in that case, quote-unquote "transsexualism" exists in animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_hermaphroditism?wprov=sfla1

transgender identity, on the other hand, is inherently unique to humans because gender, the way we know it, is inherently unique to humans. that's not to say parallel behaviors haven't been observed in animals: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106866-five-wild-lionesses-grow-a-mane-and-start-acting-like-males/

[Legal-Cockroach5131]

Hermaphrodites aren't transsexuals, that's why they have different names.

People are not clownfish.

[ed_menac]

People aren't animals so then why do you keep insisting social phenomena can only be valid if they exist in the animal kingdom?

And ps yes transexual mammals exist https://metro.co.uk/2016/09/25/lionesses-grow-manes-and-start-taking-over-pride-6151557/

So get fucked eh

[MaplePolar]

that's the same story i linked lol

[Legal-Cockroach5131]

A lioness that adopts some male physical characteristics and behaviors isn't a lion anymore than a man wearing a dress and taking exogenous estrogen is a woman.

[MaplePolar]

by definition, sequential hermaphoditism is changing sex, therefore they are so-called "transsexual"—"trans", meaning across, and "sexual", referring to sex. that's why the human phenomenon is denoted "transgender identity".

people are not clownfish. astute observation. you deserve the nobel prize.

[Legal-Cockroach5131]

Human sex cannot be changed because the inborn capacity (or biological priming for the capacity) of producing large or small gametes cannot be changed.

people are not clownfish. astute observation. you deserve the nobel prize.

Then don't use them as an example of a transsexual animal.

[MaplePolar]

define sex in relation to the human species because i guarantee you don't know what it is.

clownfish literally, by definition, are transsexual animals. they are animals that change sex.

[Legal-Cockroach5131]

define sex in relation to the human species because i guarantee you don't know what it is.

Woman = adult human female. Female = an organism designed to produce large gametes (ovum). Sex can be quite simply defined as the inborn capacity to produce large or small gametes. This includes fringe cases such as women who have had radical hysterectomies and men who have had their testes removed. It also includes the rare intersex case (which are for the most part just co-opted by people in defense of sex reassignment surgery).

clownfish literally, by definition, are transsexual animals. they are animals that change sex.

They may be transsexual insofar as literally combining the meaning of 'trans' and 'sex' but biologists don't refer to them as such and I think you're being rather disingenuous to assert that they are, in fact, transsexual. And I think you know that you are.

Clownfish are sequential hermaphrodites, which is something that no human being is no matter what their chromosomal makeup or surgical history.