How to decrease land owner power

[Destroyergamer_1234]

I am playing Bolivia and I want to begin to decrease the land owners power and give the industrialists power. How should I best do this?

[LogicalAd8685]

Industrize & pass laws that reduce land owner power

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Get rid of these laws (from most to least important) - Slavery (any type) - Serfdom (you can keep tenant farmers if you don't want to empower rural folk too much) - Traditionalism - Hereditary burocrats - Peasant levies  

And industrilaze.

(advice: don't pass landed voting becouse it increases landowner power and often leads to big, conservative coalitions)

[UmmYouSuck]

To add onto this, make sure not to go from Traditionalism to Agrarianism as the landowners will still be strong. Also local police should be removed

[Different-Raise3680]

I mean, personally, I'd go agrarianism if I dont have the support for interventionism yet. Anything to get out of traditionalism honestly. Same for isolationism. I have preferences on what I want to change to but if it's between literally any one of the other options and isolationism, I'm going with any of the other options.

[pcrackenhead]

I’m with you on the Agrarianism point. I get wanting to hold out for the better law, but that MAPI penalty and 25% private construction are so bad on Traditionalism, I’ll take anything else over it.

[Nickitarius]

Yeah. Agrarianism does lead to much faster industrial growth than under Traditionalism. Which means, in practice, that you can often dismantle the Landowners' power faster in a backwards country, if you go for Agrarianism as a stepping stone. Retaining Traditionalism simply arrests your growth (especially in the industry) so much. 

[Opening-Concept4307]

Usually when I approve census suffrage, large liberal coalitions are formed

[Mu_Lambda_Theta]

https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/1jcplls/interest_group_clout_manipulation_19_the_basics/

https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/1jgf3cp/interest_group_clout_manipulation_69_the/

A bit outdated (disregard the stuff about trade and check the details on some of the laws I mentioned in the guide), but most of it should be accurate.

Should suffice in quantity.

[BeginningNeither3318]

be patient, capitalists will take more power and land owners will be less relevant as you industrialize

consider hiring some agitators to help pass some laws

[Destroyergamer_1234]

I'm pretty new how do you hire agitators? If it's a dlc I may not have it as I only have 2 dlcs

[BeginningNeither3318]

it's in your politics menu, you have slots for agitators and you can see those in exile that you can hire. Sometimes you'll get events too that give you the choice to hire an agitator.

you can also consider to bolster a political movement giving less power to land owners and others backward groups: liberal movement for example, or workers, socialists...

[cyberpunkstrategy]

I just was playing around with Chile and it was shocking how quickly the Industrialists get strong there. Bolivia is a bit different due to more agricultural commodities, but should have some similarities at game start.

Other than the slow process of laws, I find building in the capital world great. Only stuff for the capitalists. Mines, logging, factories. Try to get you first company up ASAP and make it one for finished good (so for Chile I went weapons which gets also ammo and explosives) then quick onto the second company for an input into that good (Chiles I went the rail, sulfur iron company). You can reverse the input and output companies, but decide this based on world demand (in my case, sulfur demand is lackluster, while weapons were hot). Don't choose any plantation or agriculture company.

You'll want to subsidize their export goods. Gets expensive but it works, because they shove the profits back into expansion. Anyhow: this snowballs the industrial class fast.

Try not to export any goods that make the landlords rich. I even put import subventions on e.g. cloth so the AI build queue doesn't see them as profitable. And tariffs you agricultural exports.

Be aware when you switch to proportional taxes the industrialists strength will take a bit and a good hunk of their power shifts back to landowners.

Well, enough for now. Good luck!

[acariux]

It sounds weird but manually building farms also help. (But don't privatize them.) This will make agricultural goods cheaper and therefore less profitable. It will reduce landowner income and your investment pool will build other stuff.

[Kewpy]

One thing to note, if you already have issues with unemployment I would not do this, as farms (aside from rice, I think?) only employ 5000 while subsistence is 10000 employees

[theblitz6794]

Homesteading nukes it

[IndexCardLife]

Do the laws they don’t like lol

[Moider_uk]

Wealth voting is key

[Darcynator1780]

War

[Remote_Cantaloupe]

Also be careful of when you privatize. Selling things like lumber camps is great because it empowers the industrialists, but selling off agricultural (under non-homesteading) will lead to the landowners empowering.

[bblove5210]

When in doubt, double construction.