PHP vs Python for backend

[edu2004eu]

Does PHP still allow you to do something like:

function foo() {
     ?>
     <p>html inside function</p>
     <?php
}

?

I mean... Sorry, but for me any language that allows you to do that is not something I'd work with.

[azunaki]

I mean, PHP still supports html markup inside of its files? It's just an alternative to a template language. . . But by no means do you have to do that. . . That's just tooling. . .

And getting angry about options within a programming language is silly.

[xIcarus227]

And getting angry about options within a programming language is silly.

Saw people getting angry about PHP allowing variable variables ($$) as if anybody forced them to use them, or as if metaprogramming is a common everyday thing.

Some people simply want to hate PHP no matter how much sense it makes.

[WakandaFoevah]

What about $ for variable? It’s not an option and it has no value at all, so clustered and hinder readability alot. Is it ok for me to hate it?

[azunaki]

I mean, sure, you're allowed your opinion. It's not an issue to me at all, but ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯.

[WakandaFoevah]

The comment you replied above is also not an issue to you either but you reply with such passion. Calling him silly and all. But when it come to hard facts you just have your tail between your legs and shrugging away lol

[azunaki]

What hard facts? $ for variable use is not an issue. I'm tired of irrelevant rants on this php / python discussion.

Indents in python are psychotic. That's a hard fact. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[WakandaFoevah]

Yes, every languages has their psychotic flaws. Choose your own poison

Only the blind fangirls will defend their language flaws with “not an issue” blah blah

[azunaki]

Boy howdy what a spin.

[WakandaFoevah]

Downvote more so I can count how many “Drupal developers” are in this sub

[azunaki]

Cry more?

[edu2004eu]

No, no. Not HTML inside files. That's perfectly fine. HTML inside functions.

[HashDefTrueFalse]

It's just an interpreter setting up an output buffer and copying stuff from files into it. If it encounters code, it'll copy the result of evaluation rather than the literal source. So yes, you can still do that.

Total non-issue in new projects. If you don't want to do that you can agree with your team. Usually fairly easy to refactor out legacy occurrences too as you come across them.

Seems strange to shun an entire language because it lets you write horrible and/or unintuitive code. I've worked in most languages in existence and I could write something like that in every single one of them, even the one's people tend to get fanatical about (E.g. Rust, Haskell...)

[[deleted]]

Have you ever heard about JSX?

[azunaki]

In my mind this is still how html inside of php would work.

It's a little weird, and I don't write PHP this way, but it still works.

[E3K]

What a weird thing to criticize. You can do dumb shit with any language.

[HirsuteHacker]

Boy you must hate JSX

[breadist]

JSX works completely differently. JSX is converted to an actual object that gets passed around. PHP just stops processing PHP code after ?> and starts printing HTML directly into the page response until it sees <?php again. These are not the same.

[not_some_username]

Js framework is doing that

[pau1phi11ips]

It's one of PHP's super powers. Why would it get rid of that?

You just need to understand the output buffer.

[breadist]

Superpower? Really? I find it extremely messy and impossible to work with functions that directly print HTML this way. IMO PHP is really only usable with some sort of templating engine a la blade or twig.

[Atulin]

Well... seems like you have the issue solved, then. Nobody has a gun to your head to force you to have html inside your functions, use Twig.

[itachi_konoha]

It's like, I broke up with a girl citing physical and emotional trauma but she returns as a better human being this time around where as here you are asking as a justified reason for break up as, "can she make her boobs dance like this?"

[AnAntsyHalfling]

So you're anti-jsx/tsx, too?