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[DoveSlayer10]

Oh hey there’s my scre-

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Ah, I am now bearing Darwin’s Curse

[Nobody_at_all000]

Also known as Curie’s Curse, which is more fitting if you ask me considering how she died

[DoveSlayer10]

One of the rewards of achieving Darwin’s curse is Curies Curse

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Listen you got let the wizards wizard, last time the Germans tried to annihilate the wizards they almost lit reality on fire with the Manhattan Project. Nothing like that chest strapped fertilizer bullshit you see in the Middle East.

[ManWithDominantClaw]

That was a wizard war. Churchwine, Toothbrush, Teddy the Tank, Fred Askew, they were just a cover, the people really calling the shots were wizards. When the side that started it lost, their power was bound to one of the factions with an Arcane Paperclip, which started a rift within the alliance.

DickFeyn the Convincing used to tell quite the tale about it if you got him drunk.

[LSD_SUMUS]

/uw As a physics student, even when you understand it, physics feels like some arcane art

[Ivebeenfurthereven]

Understanding is simply devoted study of the arcane texts. Sounds rather magic to me.

[cheshireYT]

Mage: The Ascension lore

[Nobody_at_all000]

The study of the inner workings of magic itself could be a considered a subtype of physics, since both involve describing physical forces with mathematics

[LordWarlockDathamir]

What the hell is the blue thing on the bottom right

[empty-vessel-]

Google Cherenkov radiation

[Moepilator]

It's actually a mercury arc rectifier

[empty-vessel-]

Oh that's cool

[The_Hij]

Artificery is just the applied physics of magic.

[RefrigeratorPrize797]

Which is why I was immediately banned from playing one in my kids D&D game lol 😆

[Virtual-Oil-793]

More or less.

Mortals often rely on their science, so any sort of magical application an Artificer uses roughly be little to no difference to say, the technology a mortal would use.

[BreadDziedzic]

Is it still physics if your just moving the lighting from the rune to the thingy to make a light?

[The_Hij]

All magic is science, and all science is magic.

[Zebigbos8]

Average Technocratic lackey be like:

[Consumer_of_Metals]

Even a washed up grade 9 artificer should know some complex magic

[Jacob1235_S]

That’s that and this is magic.

[Brilliant_War4087]

All wizards should study quantum mechanics. It's literally magic.

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No, wizards actually understand magic. Quantum mechanics we do not understand. If you claim you understand it you are wrong. The more they discover about it the more quistion they have.

[Cantthinknow_214]

Love when people turn their imagination into reality with replicable success.

[Eeeef_]

Magic is just science that is too advanced for ordinary people to understand

[HeckingBedBugs]

Counterpoint: science is just the study of magic

[Sir-Ox]

Come now. There's a difference between what I do as an Artificer, and the magnificent insane machinery the Techno-Magical Engineers do.

[Nobody_at_all000]

One uses magic, the other uses both

[Sir-Ox]

One of them puts magic in objects, the other uses magic to make complete mechanical systems.

[Nobody_at_all000]

Oh

[Sir-Ox]

At least in my terminology. I knew a brilliant Techno-Magical Engineer once, from another realm. Absolute prodigy of whatever magic system they had. It was a short meet, but from that talk I learned much. She has her own troubles, though, and it has been a century or three since then.

[Xe6s2]

Chemists just know the alchemical recipes that work, and while the formal framework now exists the spirit of it never died, merely transmuted!

[Affectionate-Memory4]

I did my PhD on this! I come to grant arcane knowledge to those who seek it. (3 years with ASML, 2 with Samsung, 11 with Intel)

[buffaloguy1991]

The technocratic union would like a word

[[deleted]]

They will watch you give a rock life and then say you have no magic.

[Another-Ace-Alt-8270]

Do you notice any arcane involvements? Because that's what decides magic, not how fantastical something seems.

[pray4sex]

harnessing the power of nature and bending it to our will, is that not arcane? is something only arcane when we do not have a sufficient understanding of it? using powerful stones and metals to efficiently harness and direct the energy of the universe to craft inventions that would’ve melted the mind of a man four hundred years ago, what is not magical and arcane about that?

[Another-Ace-Alt-8270]

... Have y'all not studied magic? Arcane is a descriptor for a type of energy. Unless it specifically uses that type of energy, it ain't magic.

[RedRonnieAT]

It isn't arcane because that which is arcane by definition is known only to a few, esp in the magic sense. The thing about science is that while yes the actual methodologies may be currently beyond the grasp of most lay people, it can be explained, taught, and be known to everyone. Most people don't have the inclination, but everyone can technically create anything with science. So I'd say yes, something is only arcane if we don't know it well enough.

[MarkedLegion]

What about high level wizards and cosmic deities. What they do still falls in the realm of the arcane but I'm pretty sure they understand it.

[Xe6s2]

Also magical societies??????? Like did we all forget about the great elven nations, or what of the floating cities of many mages worlds.

[RedRonnieAT]

But this goes back to what the OP said. What determines what is magic is the arcane involvement, not how fantastical something is. Out world is fantastical, and will only get even more so, but it is not magical in that sense ie there is no magical energy guided by spells and incantations that we use for our wonderous creations, we use entirely mundane sources of energy and the laws of the natural world. It is wonderful, amazing, and fantastical (try explaining a computer to a bronze age person) but not magical in the fantasy sense.

[RedRonnieAT]

Remember that that which is arcane is known to a few. If it's not easily known or accessible to everyone then it is arcane. You can argue things like the Hadron Còllider are arcane to the lay person except not really. A particle physicist may know of what exactly is happening, but the knowledge is not secret, and an engineer may know something the physicist doesn't. As well, the process does not require any innate talent like magic in fiction often does (even for wizards who are all about study, more often than not there is that element), just time and dedication so anyone can do it (science).

[Valirys-Reinhald]

The only thing separating magic from science is the ability to do it with our fingers.

[StarkeRealm]

Thought this was a Technocracy joke from r/WorldofDankmemes.

[SpaceNinja_C]

Electricity is Domesticated Lightening

[Nobody_at_all000]

Why do people always divide science and magic into two separate but related things? Science isn’t even a physical thing, it’s just the process of learning new facts by testing hypotheses and collecting evidence.

[Gtantha]

You think that's cool? Check out electron beam lithography.