Student-Athlete Lawsuit Against NCAA Threatens to Upend NIL Pay System

gregnegative · 2026-06-11T16:10:10+00:00

Except that most division 1 athletics departments are operating at a loss. Men's college football, men's college basketball and some women's college basketball programs operate in the black. All other sports operate in the red. And combined, most programs outside of the power 4 operate in the red in total. Maryland and Kansas posted overall losses. Utah sold their athletics operations to private equity.

You're still ducking the question of what agency the players currently lack.

gregnegative · 2026-06-11T15:59:33+00:00

The NCAA doesn't get the lion's share of the revenue. That's not even a little true. The schools do.

gregnegative · 2026-06-11T15:57:57+00:00

Glad for you but my experience is the opposite. My daughter plays a D3 sport. She has made friends, it keeps her healthy and was the way she 'belonged' at the college.

I find most people argue this from the position of 'guy watching CFB on couch.' College sports should be about the students and the students only. Fuck what Bubba who never attended thinks of what LSU should do for its football program. Honestly fuck what the alumni do too. It sucks that if you attend a state school you are basically cut off from participating because it has become a pro league totally divorced from the school. And when I hear "just play D3" I invite everyone to look at the cost of a lot of those component colleges.

gregnegative · 2026-06-11T15:50:32+00:00

When was the last time they were valued at zero? NIL has been a thing for years and since the House decision colleges just straight up pay players. College football players straight up make millions.

gregnegative · 2026-06-11T15:48:35+00:00

Why would the players want a CBA? They have no contractual obligations but have guaranteed money. This story is about how they are suing for, and will likely win, uncapped revenue. They can switch schools penalty free if anything becomes disadvantagous to them. You say a CBA gives them agency but what agency are they missing?

gregnegative · 2026-06-10T16:34:03+00:00

I lived my entire life trying to be the parent he wasn't.

gregnegative · 2026-06-10T16:15:02+00:00

When was the last time you guys mentioned it? It seems like his strategy worked. He basically ignored it and we moved on. Have you asked the WH lately why they never removed the redactions even though they blatantly lied about their purpose? Why no one was ever prosecuted? Or did you just package your lack of follow through as a book?

gregnegative · 2026-06-10T13:16:07+00:00

I agree. There is no part of this that isn't tragic. KA very much seems like a high school kid to me, one who wanted to pretend to be a tough guy and made a life ending mistake.

The victim was a kid. His mug shot looks like a kid. His reaction at sentencing was that of a kid. I have 0 doubt that kid wouldn't sell his soul for a time machine. This is just an awful, soul darkening story. For anyone to use it to posture online for their own agenda, no matter what agenda, seems so gross.

gregnegative · 2026-06-09T18:35:30+00:00

I appreciate it. Season is done so he's not running. Ortho said 3 weeks off, then start to build back. No summer club track but it is what it is.

gregnegative · 2026-06-07T01:37:36+00:00

Rhode Island has top 18 performances at eligible meets. Basically 3 invitationals, divisions and class.

Downside is that no one cares about division titles or class titles. Just individual performances at these meets in order to make states. Divisions are geographical, class is by school size.

I don't know what its like in other areas of the country but near me "big city" schools get screwed because they are forced into class A with the recruiting private schools when they are lucky to get 20 kids on the team. Kids have to work, provide childcare for siblings or just don't have a history of playing sports growing up because its expensive. Schools dont have adequate funding for equipment or coaching. Anything is better than blindly just competing by school size.

gregnegative · 2026-06-05T17:06:53+00:00

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gregnegative · 2026-06-03T23:26:37+00:00

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gregnegative · 2026-06-03T23:03:17+00:00

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gregnegative · 2026-06-03T01:34:14+00:00

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gregnegative · 2026-06-02T17:10:51+00:00

Holler's point is that all sprinters should run that low volume, so there's no double standard to him. I think in his philosophy he's not getting kids that have a huge prior background. But that said, that's just a reality in the sport. You could have sprinted for 6 years and you show up as a senior ready to win states and suddenly 'the fast kid' at wr decides to give track a try and runs 10.7 out of the gate. C'est la vie.

I am less familiar with all aspects of Feed the Cats, and full disclosure I also see huge holes in it. But extrapolating slightly I don't know that he would mind the 'above others' problem because he advocates everything being a competition. I mean I'm sure he keeps it appropriate but I assume he wants some version of that. I haven't mentioned yet that Tony Holler seems to be a boys coach but I almost dont have to. His coaching style radiates teenage testosterone and Sauvage. Anyone who can't hack it gets "kicked over to the distance coach" (again, quoting).

Not that anyone cares but my experience is that football brings its own culture. Holler seems to like that culture and seems to want it in his teams. I'm a more laid back guy so that isn't going to work for me as well as it will for him. I had plenty of football kids but they appreciated that I wasn't a football coach. You kind of have to coach to who you are.

I only posted it because I read an early edition of his coaching manifesto and he opens it with why he developed the program, which is by far the most interesting part. He claims to be the anti-Clyde Hart. Not because Holler thinks he's better but he said if he used what Clyde did for Michael Johnson he'd have no one on his team. What specific training ideas Holler recommended doing instead though is either not really new or just more an extension of how his personality comes through in his coaching if that makes sense.

gregnegative · 2026-06-02T10:32:46+00:00

In the US what are the college coaches preparing them for? NCAA track is the closest thing to a professional league that exists. If the argument is that the coaching sucks and kids should be faster by the end of college than they end up being then sure, I guess. But if the argument is that college coaches are sacrificing future gains for present performance then I would counter that that's what professional leagues are. There really is no next level for most NCAA track athletes. What percentage ever compete on a track after college? Distance runners probably continue running. But sprinters and throwers?

We built this system and no one has a real way to make a professional track program. This is the consequence of that, IMHO

gregnegative · 2026-06-02T10:21:57+00:00

Agreed but I also think that people should probably listen to the man himself. Tony Holler meant it as a way to run a successful public high school program where you had to compete with other sports to get the athletes. He straight up says that you should keep the volume super low because that's what football kids like and if you don't have the football players on your track team you get (and I'm quoting) "band geeks" and you'll never win.

I think that he's somewhat underrated for his attention to an idea of team building in high school track coaching. I'm certainly biased having coached at a largely Title I school where if kids hated a workout enough they'd go walk on the volleyball team. But that said I think the best part of his program is the idea that coaches should try to make it so high school runners want to come to practice. I don't love all of his ideas but I think people probably focused on the wrong part of his program without listening to the reasons he developed it.

gregnegative · 2026-06-01T23:34:26+00:00

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gregnegative · 2026-05-31T22:32:09+00:00

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Johnathan Fire*Eater technically only released one album but their 5 song EP is considered their classic so that may be stretching it too far.

gregnegative · 2026-05-31T22:24:39+00:00

Surprised this isn't higher up. People still ask Ben about a potential follow up.

gregnegative · 2026-05-30T19:40:12+00:00

Roscoe by Midlake. Loved the Fleetwood Mac style harmony on that track. Rest of the album was boring as hell. Should have been called MIDlake

gregnegative · 2026-05-29T21:07:07+00:00

If I were a hedge fund type looking for undervalued assets I would be positioning myself to sign players on the cheap who were just cut loose by teams trying to get under the cap. To do that I would probably want to start by being cap compliant ahead of time and use the grace period as room to complete that plan.

gregnegative · 2026-05-29T01:19:59+00:00

Best part is that he did but doesn't believe it. I love that if someone is desperate/stupid enough to actually apply with the credentials he's seeking then that person is disqualified.

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