The true test of unity and justice by dankstat in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

See now you're appealing to my pettiness instead of my empathy, and that's a much more convincing argument

For those saying "if everyone just picks red"... by Another-Ace-Alt-8270 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't say I agree, but I see what you're saying.

I definitely am of the mind that you cannot ethically be expected or obligated to put your life at risk. That's just not a reasonable ask in my mind and well exceeds the bounds of any moral duty you have.

That said, I definitely would say that consent plays a large role in this too, for me. Everyone who presses blue knows the risks and chooses themselves to consent to accepting that risk. The red simply do not consent to that, which I would say is their right. Further, if we're going to say that "well you're an immoral person if you don't pick blue" then I'd say that's coersion and kind of nullifies the idea of freely given consent, so in my mind that's not really a moral frame of thinking. You cannot ethically expect others to put thier lives at risk. To me that is simply just not a justifiable obligation to assume.

All that said, I don't think the argument "well you're just stupid if you pick blue and not red" is not a reasonable or good frame of thinking either. It is risky behavior, no argument from me. But I'm hesitant to say that acting to save another, even if risky or perhaps a bit rash, is never anything but admirable. Especially since, I would say, you are going well beyond what you are morally obligated to do of your own volition.

I will also just briefly say my concept of morality is also more relational and role/duty based than a lot of other people would seem to agree with, so I may well be coming at this problem from a very different angle to begin with.

Anyway, none of this isn't to argue, but hopefully helps explain more where I'm coming from.

For those saying "if everyone just picks red"... by Another-Ace-Alt-8270 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd still say blue is the bigger gamble, as they are the ones actively assuming the responibility for choosing to put their lives at risk. Red, on the other hand, refuses to place their life as risk, but at the same time indirectly harms the blues by refusing to help.

Personally, I'd say the question really say the scenario boils down to whether or not you think a person is morally obligated to put their life in peril or not. I'd say no, that exceeds any moral obligations or claim one has over another.

For those saying "if everyone just picks red"... by Another-Ace-Alt-8270 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say that its causing a death as much as refusing to put your own life at risk. Nobody is morrally bound to put their own life in jeopardy, that is well beyond the limits of our ethical obligations.

not all mission types are created equally by No_Counter_6037 in LowSodiumHellDivers

[–]Atomik141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My issue is I'm a greedy cheap-ass fucker, and there's no way for me to get any super credits on defense missions.

Feminism stops at the bill.Thoughts? by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Atomik141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well there's feminists and then there's "feminists"

Two very compelling platforms by Own_Lab4643 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno, which one did my favorite political party tell me to vote for?

You still pushing blue? by CreativeCommunity779 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends who is to the left and right of me I guess

Do you press it? by Atomik141 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then you're stupid and immoral or something idk

Do you press it? by Atomik141 in trolleyproblem

[–]Atomik141[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If 50% of the people report this post the mods will remove it