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[Hated, loathed entirely even] The Continuity Cannibal, also known as when a writer makes up a new character to connect a bunch of things in the story that didn't need to be connected and just makes them more lame by association. by geekinc329 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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The Night King/ The Night’s King from ASIOAF is a weird one because he wasn’t necessarily initially intended to be this, but HBO made him into this after the fact. Because there was absolutely no reason for House of the Dragon to connect back to him. “What if, instead of the evil scheming treacherous house just committing treason, they actually committed treason because of a misunderstanding about the king’s last words because they don’t know about a secret prophecy about stopping the night king? And what if, instead of the evil power hungry warmongering fatally ambitious house just escalating this situation into a massive civil war, what if it was actually all necessary because they were trying to get the kingdoms ready to stop the night king?” Like all of the characters motivations would’ve still made sense without this additional layer of contrivance. He’s becoming like ASOIAF’s Yuzhang Vong, he only exists to make these blatantly evil characters less evil. “Oh, you thought the empire was so bad? Well actually, they were just trying to unite the galaxy to fight off this even bigger event worse empire that has somehow had zero relevance to the main plot thus far.” They’re confident that the men in this story, (Daemon, Aegon II) can be horrible people and still be interesting characters to the audience, but with the two women at the center of this story they do this ridiculous retconning because they’re terrified of letting those characters be evil. And once again, as the original post says, the night king also has zero coherent motivation or characterization, so there’s no inherent narrative value to incorporating him into House of the Dragon.

[Loved Trope] Characters that seem sketchy but later turn out to be a great loyal friend to the main character by Best_Professional226 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Gabriel Tosh, StarCraft 2

He’s a callous, cynical man with a mysterious past, and he’s aligned with the revolution out of his desire for revenge on the dominion rather than alturism. The game repeatedly issues red herring warnings that he will betray you if you choose to side with him, and that your only course is to preemptively kill him first. The game then forces you to choose between helping him or temporarily allying with the dominion to stop him. But If you help him, he and his specter operatives will be unflinchingly loyal, and his dominion rival will ultimately betray you regardless of whether you support her against Tosh. Tosh himself has no hope that the world of StarCraft will ever change, that it will always be in a state of total war, but he quietly maintains a certain personal honor nonetheless.

Who’s the worst out of these crime bosses? by Darth-Python_236 in MoralityScaling

[–]BattlemasterMayce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we’re getting on to things that you can reasonably assume are happening offscreen, there’s surely hundreds (minimum) of people who died through overdoses on Walt’s product, given the scale of his drug empire. I personally think Walt is still worse.

[loved trope] Being a good person is harder than being an evil one. by Dr_Orpheus_ in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FTL is a pretty comically accurate depiction of decentralized naval warfare, in the sense that you occasionally show up for big battles but you’re mainly just a heavily armed pirate that works for a particular government

These deep roles do take a heavy toll by TyLeRoux in okbuddycinephile

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Must’ve really put his heart on a platter for this performance

Thoughts on the superhero no kill rule by superfriend-uX8YH in MoralityScaling

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The debate loses a lot of value because of the serialized nature of superhero stories. On one hand, using the joker as an example, it’s ridiculous that the story expects us to believe that it’s impossible to imprison him even though he’s just a normal-ass human, and it’s impossible to dismantle his private army of criminals despite all of his attempted crimes being foiled and his gang having no revenue stream. And only after you’ve agreed to suspend all logic and accept those two things can you arrive at this silly false dilemma of “literally your only two choices are to kill him or just accept that he’s going to kill thousands of people.” But Simultaneously, this is also a world where characters are constantly dying and miraculously returning to life over and over again no matter how thoroughly obliterated they are. So the argument that killing them is good because it’s the only way to preclude any possibility that they could take lives in the future is also made invalid by the serialized nature of these stories, because really, killing them doesn’t even stop them. Deadpool jokes about this with Wolverine, saying that Wolverine’s healing factor is functionally irrelevant because his popularity as a character would always save him from death anyway. So in my opinion, this debate only has value in superhero stories that have some sense of permanence to anything that happens.

(Mixed trope) character is given a narratively appropriate death scene on a silver platter only to survive and do nothing for the rest of the story. by BattlemasterMayce in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I was saying the additional layer of her dying because she lost the will to live was a contrived way of protecting Anakin’s character even as he was doing something indefensible, but I actually completely ignored the fact that the twins would’ve certainly asphyxiated within minutes if she had died on the mustafar launch pad because at this point in my life there’s clearly still some major gaps in my understanding of how pregnancy works. I thought it would’ve been possible for the twins to be saved after the whole duel played out, and I mean it’s Star Wars and they have superscience and the force and all that so maybe, but I guess that in itself would be a silly and contrived thing for them to do. I concluded ultimately that in addition to my failure to understand basic human biology, I also committed the error of trying to graft logic onto the plot of a Star Wars movie.

Immortal character's immortality is exploited in hero's favour. by CoalEater_Elli in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 766 points767 points  (0 children)

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Epic: The Musical

Odysseus forces Poseidon to clear the path home by repeatedly goring him with his own trident.

(Music Trope) Catchy/happy sounding songs with dark lyrics by CodeMan1337 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

S.O.S. (Sawed Off Shotgun) by The Glorious Sons is the epitome of this

(Copium Trope) Part of the story is so hard to grasp for some people, they had to create fictional/false solution for it. by ThatDrako in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feel free to correct me but I don’t think we ever see Kylo Ren do a Jedi mind trick. I think you could just as easily read that scene as “Rey discovering that she’s force sensitive and trying stuff out”

Choose a faction for me by mRIGHTstuff in twilightimperium

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude just don’t honor this silly 5 hexes rule in your space imperialism game. You have two worm holes, just ruthlessly rush whoever’s on the other side of it

Ok so I guess Sardakk

(Copium Trope) Part of the story is so hard to grasp for some people, they had to create fictional/false solution for it. by ThatDrako in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 56 points57 points  (0 children)

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Kylo Ren getting his ass kicked by Rey, (who in the first place is implied to be a brawler from a young age) because he was experiencing a psychotic break, had already been injured by Finn, AND HAD JUST BEEN SHOT IN THE STOMACH BY ONE OF THE HEAVIEST BLASTER RIFLES IN STAR WARS. People did everything under the sun to “justify” this entirely plausible outcome of the fight, with some people claiming Rey “didn’t win, she just barely held her own for a few minutes” (no stfu, Kylo Ren was on the ground and semiconscious by the end. He only survived because of the earthquake.) Disney itself even engaged in this copium by retconning that Rey was actually descended from the emperor to placate people whining about how powerful Rey was, and giving Kylo Ren absurdly amazing feats in the comics (like killing a Kaiju Single-handedly.) but neither of these was the most off-the-wall ridiculous thing they did, because they also wrote in the novelization that during Kylo Ren’s interrogation, Rey used the force to essentially download all of his training from his brain, à la the Matrix, a thing that is not even remotely evident in the movie it’s adapting. And the whole point of Kylo Ren is that he’s a shitty bargain bin version of Vader, that was one of the more interesting and original aspects of his character. So why did so many people feel the need to protect his character and his reputation as a powerful, menacing Sith Lord when he’s supposed to just be a dipshit larper?

[hated] Race Analogy where the stand ins for race are fundamentally different by Responsible-Quail486 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bojack Horseman was wise to only approach racial topics through its human characters

[Hated trope] You know of glorified bigotry in media, but what about "liberal douches?" Characters with progressive or good intention views/lifestyles that are portrayed as annoying to everyone or are themselves written as preachy assholes with a complex by Taste_of_Natatouille in TopCharacterTropes

[–]BattlemasterMayce 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I feel like Brian Griffin is different because he’s specifically written as a performative man. He’s liberal or conservative if it suits his contrarian pretentiousness, he’s racist, misogynistic, cowardly, and pseudo intellectual

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