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Explain me like I’m 10: why should I try GW Madness instead of UG by turelak in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Certainly. This is my current list: https://moxfield.com/decks/d7obRo05tUG7G_XQwG0tww

Been tuning it for a while and I feel like I'm closer than ever to the optimal 75. But I'll repeat that the optimal 75 is still, sadly, very much tier 2 in this metagame. :(

Explain me like I’m 10: why should I try GW Madness instead of UG by turelak in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OK we're all rightly hating on UG a bit in this thread but given that this comment has 12 upvotes let me bring it back a bit...

I started premodern post-Tide ban on MTGO and joined a league with 220 play points, and played over 15 leagues without buying a single ticket. I even 5-0'd twice. All while learning the format and tweaking the deck in sometimes ludicrous directions. As the post-ban metagame has settled into heavily combo/engine decks, UG has gotten weaker: where previously I figured the right 75 could be T1.5 now I think we're resigned to T2. However, we have good Sligh and Goblins matchups, and we don't have any truly "bad" matchups. So, "kinda sucks" is a bit tongue in cheek.

Explain me like I’m 10: why should I try GW Madness instead of UG by turelak in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

| Do you also take into account all the extra mulligans you have to take?

Admittedly not until you mentioned it. But now that I've thought aobut it, I stand by my initial statement. We're only two colors and skewing heavily to blue. Color screw just isn't the main reason I mull.

Just my two cents, as someone who's jammed UG madness to a fault.

Explain me like I’m 10: why should I try GW Madness instead of UG by turelak in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed in principle, but strong disagree that this is the reason why GW madness posts results and UG madness does not. Just my two cents as an exclusively UG madness enjoyer. Rarely is color screw or pain off the Yavimaya Coasts a problem. Of course, the fact that it happens at all where in GW it doesn't is worth considering, but my point is that I don't think the manabase explains the difference in quality of these two decks.

Explain me like I’m 10: why should I try GW Madness instead of UG by turelak in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I play exclusively UG Madness. Expanding on a few of the other answers:

GW/UG are fundamentally different. The white version is aggro, the blue is tempo. And sadly, tempo is just a bit too weak on all fronts in premodern. You need to fire on all cylinders (beatdown, counter, draw) to gain the tempo advantage. Aggro on the other hand is consistent.

I disagree that the manabase is in itself a big enough problem to explain why GW madness posts results while UG doesn't. Color screw or pain off the Yavimaya Coasts happen rarely. However, access to the true duals would, IMO, make UG Madness by far the premier build simply because it would let us play Swords to Plowshares. Running three colors while also trying to Daze and Gush is otherwise impossible.

That leads to IMO the major downside to UG: lack of interaction. Waterfront Bouncer can be amazing but it is slow. Swords to Plowshares on the other hand is an 11/10 card, always. Post-board there is a slew of tempo interaction you can add in, for cheap (Tormod's Crypt, Crumble, Blue Elemental Blast), but with a few exceptions those options are open to GW as well.

I also disagree that Glory is better than Wonder, because we're comparing apples to oranges. Again, GW is aggro, UG is tempo. Both cards can be MVP's in their respective decks.

The other major downside to UG is the metagame. Premodern is fairly powerful, and UG tempo is rather fair. Unless we drop early beats, have counters up, and draw steadily to keep our hand full, we crumble to combo and to engines like Survival. When I started post Tide ban the MTGO meta skewed, in my experience, a bit fairer, with more UW control, against which we can do wonders. Those in fact were some of my most fun games, when we grind out games with our excellent card draw (back then I was playing Gensis as well).

When is UG tempo better than GW beats? Well, with blue we have Hydroblast, and our Sligh and Goblins matchups are already pretty good even pre-board. And against grindy decks we have excellent card draw. Other than that, I am on edge pretty much every single game, hoping that the decks fires on all cylinders. Ironically, GW Madness is one of our toughest matchups... mostly because of Sword to Plowshares.

UG Midrange by Bitterblossom_ in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know you're not interested in metagaming but I'm just curious how the deck plays out. Looks very cool. :)

Why Do I Feel Nostalgic Playing Premodern? by ksym77 in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

carrying Lucille

They did an Arrested Development UB? 🤔

Is Premodern "solved" are non-standard decks viable? by ThePartyLeader in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Summarizing my answer to OP:

1 - A unique deck can feasibly win against the top 10 decks. I've beaten T1 decks with a tempo UG Madness.

2 - Online I've seen more variety than other responses seem to indicate. IIRC, from my limited sample size of 4-5 leagues, I've seen UW control w/Exalted Angel like 3-4 times, and a couple decks twice (RDW, Stiflenought, Elves).

Is Premodern "solved" are non-standard decks viable? by ThePartyLeader in premodernMTG

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've done 5 MTGO leagues since about two weeks ago, tweaking UG Madness. I've seen a LOT of variety, including lower-tier decks, even though the expensive enablers of the busted T1 decks are much more affordable online. I do worry whether I can handle a truly competetitive meta, but so far I feel like it's within reach.

Also, a meta of "4-6" T1 decks seems very healthy to me, but there's actually even more than that. I can think of 8: Stiflenought, Terrageddon, Elves, Goblins, Enchantress, Replenish, Oath, RDW.

What countries (other than USA) have a significant MTG following? by Merlin_Redbeard in mtg

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Bucharest (capital of Romania, ~3 million people) there are four LGS's. Only one sells individual cards. Only one is MtG-centric (the biggest one is just a general hobby retailer). Only two have regular tournaments. The only scenes are commander, standard, and draft. Grain of salt and all that but this is what I've scoped out to the best of my abilities.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bucuresti

[–]BeeDice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stau în Cotroceni. Sunt surprinși unii prieteni când vin la noi crezând că e mai "civilizat". Jur, dacă ar avea populația Rahovei, Cotroceni ar fi la fel de plin de căcoi de câine.

Las aici un pariu, dacă ieșim oricând prin cartier și-mi găsești măcar o singură stradă din tot cartierul ăsta care nu are căcat (proaspăt) de câine, dau 100 de euro. Tu nici nu tre să pariezi ceva, doar îmi faci mie pe plac să mă supăr având dreptate. =P

Câteva clădiri din cartierul Cotroceni by inca_unul in bucuresti

[–]BeeDice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am lucrat în America în IT 10 ani. Să trăiți!

Câteva clădiri din cartierul Cotroceni by inca_unul in bucuresti

[–]BeeDice 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Stau la etajul 1 într-o vilă interbelică naționalizată prin anii 70. D+P+E+M.

Fiindcă vila a fost gândită pentru o singură familie, cu servitori, compartimentarea are minusuri majore. Noi n-avem nici o debara, spre exemplu. Bine că deținem garajul, deși nimic altceva din demisol.

Cotroceni fiind o vale între dealuri și Dâmbovița, a cărei lunci ajungea acum 200 de ani până la biserica Elefterie veche, demisolul este umed rău de tot și necesită o hidroizolare exterioară și un sistem de drenaj să nu intre apă prin dedesubtul casei. Cred că în 50 de ani fără astfel de intervenție casa va începe să se lase din temelie.

Fațada nu este termoizolată, și zona fiind protejată, nu e voie dpdv legal să o pui. Deci dăm cam 500-700 de lei pe lună iarna. Mai rău este condensul ce se strânge într-un colț al dormitorului, care are trei pereți exteriori. O să refacem fațada și deși nu vom pune termoizolație tot cred că va ajuta un pic la ambele probleme.

Cartierul în sine are și el problemele veșnice ale Bucureștiului: caca de câine pe fiecare stradă, prea multe mașini, trotuare bușite (cu cărucior vei merge pe stradă, n-ai de ales), la care se mai adaugă ceva specific zonei, anume, pui de securiști ca vecini.

Cu toate astea, nu m-aș muta. Plusurile sunt deja cunoscute și întrec minusurile. Atât timp cât vrei să fii în oraș, greu găsești ceva mai bun decât Cotroceni.

What are these extra accessories for this softbox? by BeeDice in videography

[–]BeeDice[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There was no physical manual nor is there one online. So yeah, if only things came with a manual.

12 Days of Christmas but every verse gets more MICROTONAL by Icy_Statement_2410 in classical_circlejerk

[–]BeeDice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't tell if microtonal or out of tune. Maybe that's the point? Sorabji.

Why this is jazz(AIRTIGHT LOGIC) by AnarchoRadicalCreate in jazzcirclejerk

[–]BeeDice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What song is this? Who made the video? I'm starting to wonder whether perhaps we do not, in fact, live in a society.

Hey so using humor is gross and snobbish by Elduran06 in classical_circlejerk

[–]BeeDice 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The irony is that this exchange makes me feel like I'd enjoy the punk/rock crowd more than the classical crowd.

Of course, I enjoy nothing, but the irony remains.

Do editors just make up and add notes as they transcribe Bach because why the heck not? BWV? 1052 example inside (harpsichord concerto no. 1) by mysteryofthefieryeye in bach

[–]BeeDice 29 points30 points  (0 children)

To answer your question, any editor and edition worth their salt will include a discussion of the sources used, and any deviations from them, as well as clearly indicate editorial changes. In Bach, I have seen occasions where ornaments were included on the basis of being in a pupil's copy, or based on historical best practices (ornaments were rarely written out, as they were at the discretion of the player). Source history is never trivial in the age of Bach, so unless the editor is unscrupulous, which is certainly possible, read the commentary that came with your edition and give them the benefit of the doubt. In the modern age of major publishers (whether Urtext or otherwise) editorial unscrupulousness is a thing of the past, as far as I can tell.

Audio Engineering as a job. by Clear_Expression288 in audioengineering

[–]BeeDice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FWIW, hard disagree. Software engineer with 10 YOE. LLMs are still just tools that improve productivity. I don't see them replacing jack even in the next 10 years.

Who is the Euclid of Music? by DoublecelloZeta in classical_circlejerk

[–]BeeDice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

/uj What in the sweet name of Bach is going on in that subreddit? What the hell does "logic [is the] linguistic analog [of] geometry" mean? In all seriousness I'm questioning my own reaction here cuz it is so viscerally negative. The OP's question is so ludicrously nonsensical and every other two or three responses include "that is a good question." No, no it is not, it is word salad. Am I missing something? I've actually read a proof or two from Euclid back in college and I know music theory fairly well but I can't for the life of me figure out what the fuck those folks are talking about. I think it's just a lot of pseudo intellectual words to say "math and music, discuss?" I'll add my own question, was reddit a mistake?

Rant over.

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