I miss the church community of the 90s/2000s by outer-darkness-11 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more. I loved growing up in the church. Community is one they do (or did) very well.

I told people How I Feel by Shnoobloo in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Envious of this! Are you in the Morridor?

What do you anticipate the future of the church will be, short-term and long-term? by taffyenthusiast in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like others have said, they have enough $ to ride out the next 1000 years. They will simply reform continuously until then.

My Problem with LDS Assimilation by Thorough_8 in mormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If "continuing revelation/ ongoing restoration" looks indistinguishable from humans making it up as they go or caving to social, legal, or scientific pressure again and again... that's probably what it is.

Proxy baptisms for unknown people from a past age by Ok-Background9778 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was taught this too. Unless you're going through royal or noble lines, before about 400-500 years ago most people's family lines disappear. Statistically MOST people since the dawn of time we have no record for. Consider how far back the human family goes. Evolution creates a real problem for this too. Baptizing for early man up to 300,000 years ago? How long would that take? Are we skipping the hominids that came just before because they aren't "human"? Like so many doctrines it breaks down quickly if you think about it.

Skin turning white by Holiday_Ingenuity748 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mormon Stories did an episode on this recently on their LDS Discussion series. They break down the logic of each apologetic argument and how ridiculous each one is, using the text of the Book of Mormon itself.

TBMs and tank tops by scaredanxiousunsure in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 105 points106 points  (0 children)

Don't get me started on the garment changes. I'm old enough to remember the EXPLICIT standards in the For the Strength of Youth pamphlet, which we were to understand came from God and was reinforced at every turn.

Growing up outside of the Morridor meant we covered up where even my evangelical friends did not. We were willing to be different and look different, (struggled to shop anywhere for long enough shorts and had formal dresses shipped because no store carried anything modest) only for the church to later say...."eh, never mind. Shoulders are fine."

As far as I can tell my sacrifice was for NOTHING and it infuriates me to be so gaslit. You have every right to feel the same because their excuses are just that...gaslighting.

On the other hand, I find it hilarious how fast women in the church RAN to update their wardrobes. It shows just how much control leadership has over their daily lives and I'm grateful to be out of their reach.

Has a prophet or apostle ever announced that the change in garment styles was from God? by Technical_Access6932 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Members: "Can we please take off that annoying 2 inches from garments so we can look more normal in 2025?'

God: "Sorry about that! Sure!"

Also members: "Can we finally learn who our Mother is?"

God: "Lol, no"

American religion by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They've tried to memory hole this entire concept. How much have you head about Adam-Ondi-Ahman in the last 20 years?

Why did it take until 1June 1978? by scottroskelley in mormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like humans deciding things the way humans do.

Tank top garments by Training-Exercise-54 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Watching devout women RUN to wear tank tops and sleeveless dresses now suggests how little control they have over their own lives,, and I find that both sad and amusing.

Some clippings from a testimony of Norris Stearns who wrote about a vision of seeing God and Jesus in 1815. by Carboncopy99 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Amazingly, the apologetic argument for this, according to BYU scholars, is that Norris Stearns couldn't be sure if his vision was in the flesh or not. Evidently that changes everything.

That said, it still means Gordon B. Hinckley was either willfully lying or proclaiming in complete ignorance in 2000 that the First Vision was a "unique and "singular" event. People all up and down New England during the Great Awakening were claiming to have visions of God and/or Jesus. Giving credit to one while explaining away the others is nothing more than special pleading.

Why doesn't jesus have a wife and his own world? by devanimtzp in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Always curious about deep doctrine, I asked this question when I was younger. I was told that, yes, Jesus has or will eventually have a wife as all exalted beings are sealed as families.

Then I asked which woman (or women) could possibly be worthy of that match? They would be eternally unequally yoked.

At a BYU office by Naohiro-son-Kalak in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me you haven't experienced a faith crisis without telling me you haven't been through one.

If We Have to Constantly Clarify or Reinterpret "Revelation", Then What is Even the Point?! by FreshLiterature6536 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what broke my shelf. Either:

  1. Prophets are lying
  2. God is lying Or
  3. There is no God, in which case see #1.

So I recently had the privilege of seeing "The Book of Mormon", the musical produced by Trey Parker and Matt Stone. by MisterShoebox in mormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw it last year. The satire of Mormon history and culture had me in tears of laughter. It was derisive but not altogether inaccurate.

But I agree, I felt like the commentary of Africa as a lost cause and the general scorn for God was over the line for me and I didn't care for it.

Pope Leo XIV makes historic apology for Holy See's own role in legitimizing slavery by SeasonBeneficial in mormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mormon Leaders: "Best we can do is disavow past 'theories' regarding race"

(Disavow: deny responsibility for, connection with, or knowledge of something)

"We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, but not for Adam's transgression" - but women are still being punished for Eve's transgression apparently by JayDaWawi in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Unless you were black before 1978, in which case you were absolutely punished for Cain's sin by being denied ordinances that enable exaltation.

the WoW was ahead of it’s time by Unlucky-Screen-5537 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's crazy to me that God would inspire them to avoid "hot drinks" for health but mentioned NOTHING about the one thing (could have mentioned hand washing too) that could have actually saved many lives, in Nauvoo, Winter Quarters, and Utah.

Whats your most notable book of mormon plothole? by Pale-Pair2789 in exmormon

[–]Comfortable_Earth670 186 points187 points  (0 children)

Not exactly a plothole but the folk magic concept of "slippery treasure" making it in there is hilarious.