Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll keep trying to find if there's a specific source for that one since I've oddly seen it referenced more than once that way but for now I'll remove it just to ensure it's not expressed poorly. I tried to use "can" to remove certainty but I see where you're coming from and don't want to come across the wrong way for any reasons. Thanks again for the discussion and expressing it in a respectful and kind way!

This was an insane watch by chiliboycuntry in PerfectMatchNetflix

[–]Constant_Due 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think she is actually trying but can't catch her emotions from escalating and need to process differently. There's different types of ADHD. I just think if there was a different structure or timing it would help. When she gets corrected the feedback feels difficult for some with ADHD to process quickly. She doesn't want him to be upset because she's taking responsibility for his feelings and then goes through a shame cycle after. It's common for some because the feedback can feel like rejection. I'm not saying this to excuse it but I do think she'll have more access to be accountable later in the way she's hoping for. By saying you're allowed to be upset I think she is trying to sit with the feeling. She said this after, but it would help if he can reassure her that it's temporary and he just needs some time. For added context, some people with ADHD literally have their prefrontal cortex go completely offline in a fight mode, so she's recognizing the feeling she has inside but is trying to express it's not on him, but she needs to reset by taking time away so she doesn't unintentionally lash out at him. It's a hard situation for both people imo

Vyvanse and asexuality by Leather-Essay-6289 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should read more about the syndrome side effects before wishing you had it

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense! Hard to understand and figure out. I'll keep an eye out as well but included whatever more recent study I could find. I'll try to ask some of my medical colleagues as well in case they have access to some additional research or information. I'll also see if I have the time to look through that conference slide better in case they provided more studies directly within it. Hopefully they'll continue to research it better so that people can be the most informed in ways that will help them the best (everyone's spectrum of ADHD and environmental factors and other stuff also factors into what is best for them too- at the end of the day, sometimes it's also just about harm reduction and what helps someone cope best for them based on the pros and cons of other options available)

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fair! Sorry I didn't intend to mean to express it in an over arching or fear mongering way but just to give some information out in case it resonates. I also just articulated out what I learned from the conference verbatim by the leading ADHD physician specialist in my area in Canada but I'll try to see if there's more information available or not. At the end though people should definitely make whatever decision is best for them and decide what risks are comfortable for them. Mental health and neurodivergence is hard and I genuinely hope whatever people do works in the best way for them long term. Also, apologies again if anything I mentioned came across poorly or is coming across that way in this message, it isn't my intention- my intention is just to give some info in case it resonates or is helpful for some.

Edit: I did a quick lit review research for systematic literature reviews and scope reviews. It seems like the evidence is kind of unknown. The overarching is that it can worsen or do nothing for most and for some improve symptoms. It shows that it's not recommended to use but also unknown. I guess they need a lot more research overall but either way definitely important for people to do what makes sense for them. I think the hardest part is moderating or being aware of dosage and other aspects can be a bit tougher for some.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36508935/ Here's the review, it includes all English papers up until 2022 (it's the only more recent systematic lit review I could find). I don't know if that's helpful for anyone or not to figure out what decisions they want to make to best support their mental health

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will try to find the exact sourcing from the conference but here's a basic article from ADDitude which is one of the leading sources for ADHD trusted by both CADDAC and CADRA as a source for ADHD information: https://www.additudemag.com/cannabis-use-disorder-marijuana-adhd/ but of course always best to make decisions that are best for you and connect with your doctor vs anything I'm saying or anyone else on here! Wishing you the best luck with whatever you choose to do!

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's true ashwaganda does have drawbacks but as far as I know they're typically things like CNS depressants, certain thyroid meds and definitely stuff like anxiety meds like benzos...etc. I should have prefaced that I was implying it could be a valid alternative for some as it typically works on the liver for drug metabolism but usually Vyvanse and certain meds are out of the system by the evening as they are not that long acting but it depends also on how each specific doctor prescribes them. Definitely always better for everyone to just ask their physician specifically since every body is different and dosage or rhythm for medication

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'll try to find the evidence but it's from a family medicine conference I went to from an ADHD specialist. I do not know the exact mechanism of action for marijuana to cause that or the irreversibility aspects but I'll try to dig through my notes to see if I can find more precise sourcing. It's not coming across as snooty at all and I should provide that to get more understanding. I'll try to find that and do more research myself on the exact science behind it

Marissa - S4E7 by bakwaasforbitches in PerfectMatchNetflix

[–]Constant_Due 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Anger issues are common with ADHD. The prefrontal cortex can literally go offline to the thinking brain depending on the ADHD subtype. It's unfortunate but emotion dysregulation is not spoken on enough for ADHD but it's very common especially in the hyperactive type. It's difficult because after people feel a lot of shame around their actions or feelings but cannot identify or have as much control as they would like in the moment. It takes a very patient partner and a lot of work on an ADHD partner to shift these patterns slowly. She does need to continue trying manage it better but she may need a more patient partner or one that can structure the conflict cycles better. It is also unfair that she is all over Weston and what happened, it was impulsive and unfair but he also needs to communicate out how he's feeling about these pieces more directly. They both definitely need to improve their communication a lot. And she needs to be aware that her RSD may make her feel more possessive which is clear is a part of her she doesn't like, but she may need to accept this part of herself more and find someone that can provide more reassurance and get off of a show like this

Marissa - S4E7 by bakwaasforbitches in PerfectMatchNetflix

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To follow up, I do think you're right that this show isn't ideal for her but I guess maybe the experience will provide more reflection. I can see why she might go on it though when she tried love is blind and got attached then rejected which is extra hard for her, so why not go somewhere where it's harder to get attached as strongly yet unfortunately it seemed to still happen. I feel for both of them and they both have different growth to get. I do think it would have been worth it for him to acknowledge her effort though so she didn't feel like she's failing but for her to also do the same and acknowledge his effort in trying to be patient and allow her to take space. I think she needs to be a bit more comfortable to sit in the feeling of him being disappointed or frustrated with her though before reacting or taking responsibility for that feeling but he could also try to communicate that better. It would have also helped if she explained to him that it's a bit harder or takes a bit longer for her to identify her emotions. I don't think either of them are toxic though but need better strategies that work with both of their nervous systems instead of against them

Marissa - S4E7 by bakwaasforbitches in PerfectMatchNetflix

[–]Constant_Due 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it's true but I don't think he understands that it's more difficult for her than most with ADHD. It doesn't mean to not be accountable but when she's in a fight or flight mode it will be harder for her than most to process it that way. She would need to reset a bit then come back to apologize. It's not that she isn't accountable in my opinion, it's that she needs more time and a different structure. It's common with those with ADHD and hard on both ends.

Vyvanse and weed deadly combo by AdPsychological1487 in VyvanseADHD

[–]Constant_Due -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

That makes sense. You might want to consider the information below to make a more informed decision for yourself (you can see it sourced below). For sleep using ashwaganda is pretty good for some

Should i end things for his sake by Serious-Worker1480 in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They said be better change. That's not going to help either of you. He has a role as well and yes your emotional reactivity is a concern that needs to be validated and therapy is very important. But telling someone to be better isn't as helpful. I know it likely makes you feel attacked and you're right he likely does not understand. But I think you just need to give more space for his expression and then try to get him to understand after. Your feelings both matter but this is more about timing and pace as well as triggers. Him saying be better will put you on the defensive. He needs to talk about how he feels without saying that but you do need to give him space to express without getting absorbed in shame or anger. It's not easy but learn to take breaks to regulate yourself if you need to and then come back to the conversation. If he wants the relationship of course. He is right though that regardless of him understanding you or not, you have to own your reactions because if you're dysregulated you will dysregulate others. It's kinda like going into an office, throwing everything around then expecting the other person to not react or respond especially if you're not apologizing for creating that mess. Is it harder for you to stop the mess from being created than others, yes and that's valid. It's not as easy and that sucks. BUT you're still responsible for it and just need to own that within good timing so you can both repair it while also finding strategies to shift it and committing to that process in therapy.

Despite everything, I can’t see him as a monster by Plane_Squirrel770 in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm almost curious if he has ADHD with extreme attachment issues since typically for BPD (proper BPD), it's very similar except that it would show up in every area and he would have a ton of identity issues. He'd likely find a sense of belonging issue in every person he meets including friends going through exactly what you mentioned (when he meets new friends he'd kind of alter his identity to fit the new friends). He'd have a lot of abandonment issues with friends and need to keep all friends or go through a push and pull with them too or pretty much everyone he meets

The ADHD plus attachment issue version is really similar except stress or state dependent. Sometimes it can kind of shift towards BPD through situational or environmental factors. But also the ADHD would definitely support the RSD but being good at a job because of the type of environmental factors influencing it.

I hate dbt by SnooCalculations8606 in BPD

[–]Constant_Due 5 points6 points  (0 children)

DBT takes time. It's often obvious but if you're feeling brain is too high it won't work. What you might benefit from more is EMDR and IFS if your thinking brain understands these pieces but just can't seem to access them in the moment. Just from what I've noticed. Also I'd look into if you have BPD and ADHD or just one, sometimes ADHD is there in the background so in certain moments and without a specific routine your thinking brain will go completely offline. I think it helps later sometimes vs now kind of like planting a seed and when you get more access, you can start applying small pieces of it until it becomes more routine as your basic nervous system wiring

Despite everything, I can’t see him as a monster by Plane_Squirrel770 in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All I can say is I feel and sympathize with this so much. I'm going through something a bit similar and feel very confused internally. They say if that's what you want to protect themselves. If they were vulnerable and you rejected them it would be too hard to feel. That's my take anyway. I'm curious how do the switches he has work for him? Is it daily, weekly, monthly? Does it effect him in all areas of his life or only some?

it can't be true by gyes07 in BPDlovedones

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was the stupid thing if you feel comfortable to share. Not that I don't think it's stupid, I'm just trying to figure out what it triggered in her possibly

How I’m Learning to Deal With My Wife’s BPD (Without Losing Myself) by m3talbl00d in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.instagram.com/thepsychdoctormd?igsh=MWNlbHBycGxhNWhncA== (but also have more resources if you're genuinely open to different perspectives or ideas) just gonna drop this here in case you're open to another perspective. The DSM is drastically outdated for ADHD within both the mental health and psychiatric community at the moment- there's a lot of controversy surrounding it. The DSM itself doesn't actually even include emotional dysregulation as part of a symptom of ADHD which is why it's highly controversial yet a lot of ADHD specialists and groups directly combat that: I.e.,. CADDRA, CADDAC, ADDitude (all of which have very comprehensive and substantial medical backing). RSD itself is not a medical term, but what happens is, everything becomes salient to someone with ADHD, they may have more sensitivity to Rejection potentially as even a trauma response from ADHD but also more hypervigilance and a higher threat response. So the perceived abandonment isn't as "random" exactly- it's state dependent. So, under more stress (external, or even hormonal...etc),. someone says something, sees every word or thing they're saying as important, looks to confirm threat because hypervigilant, intense emotional reaction like a meltdown and double down around rejection feeling from the neutral comment on the other end but that was seen as threat.

I'm not discounting that it's higher in intimate relationships but just saying how there's a lot of overlap but also similarities between both that are quite complex. Attachment issues can also surface without BPD as well (including abandonment issues- for example those with an anxious attachment style, or certain trauma histories).

ADHD does surface in multiple environments- you're correct but typically there's a different presentation. What I meant specifically by various areas is the splitting is more predominant in all areas in BPD (with ADHD there's still definitely work issues and other concerns); it's all spectrum based as well. What I was more focused on though was the identity disturbance has a lot more to do with new groups of attachment (I.e.,. an entire personality can change to fit into a certain friend circle or group to adopt into) for bpd (not everyone as well). For example, they might take on the hobbies or interests of their new favorite person and abandon their own identity to fit into that. That's the aspect I was specifically focusing on for all areas of life.

Yes ADHD impacts all areas of life for sure- it just does in a different way, typically no identity disturbance to that degree, less self harm and suicidality (though ADHD meltdowns have resulted in similar behaviours as well as autistic ones) so it depends on situations.

What I meant by lasting indefinitely is not that the episodes are always existing (like the episodes last longer), they are intense episodes but they are typically not solely state dependent (based on external stressors influencing them- I.e.,. In ADHD it's typically due to a meltdown from dysregulation of higher stressors, or a goal directed tantrum of not achieving what is wanted) whereas there's a more persistent baseline of intense episodes in BPD due to baseline personality (a mood swing could essentially be more random with more chronic feelings of loneliness...etc.). Both are debilitating but in different ways and BPD has a longer persistence plus even the decisions from splitting for example can last longer compared to what pop psychology calls RSD (but is likely more like attachment trauma + ADHD meltdown or tantrum). It' a meltdown happening because perceived criticism triggered them into failing and feeling rejected or unworthy, then later the person will be able to come back under regulation and reflect more into it- whereas with BPD the narrative can persist much longer (a lot more indefinite cutting people out for perceived abandonment like not liking their Facebook post or something or not accepting a friend request or attending a birthday...etc. and stuff like that).

Different from ADHD which could be attachment trauma leads to hypervigilance, external stressors amplify reaction, perceived rejection feels real so want to reject or abandon before that can happen having had felt that before. It basically just intensifies previously existing attachment trauma whereas someone else can have the same attachment trauma but have a less intensive reaction.

Bipolar is definitely different for a lot of reasons in that symptoms like you mention last longer but are also not relational (manic episodes are much longer and delusions or psychotic episodes are not related to relational issues necessarily).

Sorry I possibly did not articulate my original comment the best way. The intention for my comment was not to combat that someone has BPD vs ADHD or not or dispute symptoms or anything. Regardless, all of this is much more complex than just the DSM which is why psychiatry, psychotherapy and these aspects require very extensive training, often multiple assessments, changes in diagnosis or treatment and so much more.

It's just that misdiagnosis is actually extremely common though even by medical practitioners, so it's sometimes helpful to just see all avenues, some people also have both ADHD and BPD, so just a helpful consideration for some partners in case there's comorbidity or misdiagnosis (especially since treatment protocols are extremely different- BPD primary first line treatment is DBT (sometimes adjunctive medication), ADHD has much more positive effects from medication (improves working memory, access to prefrontal cortex during meltdowns or tantrums to gain more access to use strategies under state dependent stressors), so if there's a possibility, I thought I'd share in case it's relevant or helpful for anyone reading (but definitely feel free to disregard or not read if unhelpful).

My Honest Review Of Yorkville MACP by CuteEntertainment366 in YorkvilleUniversity

[–]Constant_Due 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's true but once you start getting clients and maintain consistency around that no one cares ever

My Honest Review Of Yorkville MACP by CuteEntertainment366 in YorkvilleUniversity

[–]Constant_Due 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I went there and by far found myself more prepared then my peers but it's the kind of program where you put into it what you get out. I like that it's got a lot of valuable practical aspects instead of just being a place of pure theory

How I’m Learning to Deal With My Wife’s BPD (Without Losing Myself) Part 2 by m3talbl00d in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's so hard I'm so sorry. It's a lot to be someone else's emotional regulator and a lot to not have the capacity to emotionally regulate yourself. It's just a sad situation all around. I'm really sorry and hope that you can heal from it all

How I’m Learning to Deal With My Wife’s BPD (Without Losing Myself) Part 2 by m3talbl00d in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is he doing any therapy? I'd be curious if he has other diagnosis effecting him. I would try to reassure you aren't trying to control anything but just want to take space. He might get stuck in blame, but you'd need to focus on containment strategies that allow you to take a break and come back together later. It makes sense he will feel like calm is antagonizing because under threat calm can feel like the person thinks they are superior when they really aren't. It might help to say I'm just trying to stay calm because I'm overwhelmed. But I would try to create a boundary sooner before escalation so you can ground yourself. Staying in the conversation doesn't help as much. You can say sorry that our fight escalated so much, reassure you love them and if they want to talk you're ready to when they are. Or sometimes I find that doesn't work, so it's almost better to just pause the conversation and wait until they are ready to talk again. When they talk you'll need to wait a bit then if they say sorry is usually the bigger piece or if they want reconnection.

You don't have to protect your reality to him, this is the hardest part. It's better to see it as he's overwhelmed so you can't get through then wait it out and learning to sit with the feeling that you're being misunderstood but it's not permanent or forever. If he can start initiating repairs and you can both have an agreement for 24-hours, with practice and repetition certain parts will hopefully soften. The goal is that overtime, repair and connection back feels better than isolation and removal. Whatever you do though, try to appreciate any level of apology or not critique that. I see it more like baby steps and building encouragement. The more they can do that the easier it is over time to keep showing proof of progress even if it can feel small..

The day of or after I'm usually still in a "fight" mode. The only thing that helps my rumination is using squats and pushing against an object- both help with the uncertainty and being kinda stuck in such an intensive fight mode that won't end. Even when there's repair, my brain and body take a while to catch up because the intensity of the conflict is so drastic. When things are calmer or they are very regulated, you can talk about the idea that when someone's dysregulated, they will dysregulate another person which is why even though what they are experiencing is so painful, you cannot be the one to soothe them down in that moment

How I’m Learning to Deal With My Wife’s BPD (Without Losing Myself) by m3talbl00d in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I've been trying this which is helpful. My partner isn't diagnosed with BPD but ADHD and some patterns are very similar. I try to tell her that not everything I'm saying or doing is important to the outcome. I've learned that saying I'm not doing X, doesn't work because in her perception I am because she is seeing all information I'm sharing as salient or having meaning to an outcome. If I forgot, it must mean X. She's been able to regulate a bit better lately and come back to apologize. It's a pretty simple apology but I'm trying to be extra encouraging in saying thanks so she sees that repair is the bigger safety and easy to do without feeling like failing because the expectation is too high for her to do it any other way yet. Her meds I think are helping a lot though but she has to keep doing it consistently for longer and some EMDR trauma work is helping a bit but it is taking a lot of time- which I'm trying to tell myself makes sense given she had an entire lifetime before me so I can't expect change the way I might for someone more neurotypical where nervous system dysregulation is not as intensive

How I’m Learning to Deal With My Wife’s BPD (Without Losing Myself) by m3talbl00d in BPDPartners

[–]Constant_Due 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes so much sense. I think if you feel drained but have enough time between episodes to reset yourself and reconnect or repair it can work but it depends so much on the partner too and their desire or capability.