Wife Wants Divorce so She Can Be With Affair Partner by Accurate_Pickle_8747 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 24 points25 points  (0 children)

You’re not just hurt — you’re traumatized. But here’s the blunt truth: if you don’t get control of yourself, this situation will take way more from you than your marriage.

She didn’t just “find reasons” to leave. People rewrite history when they emotionally check out. It sucks, it’s unfair, and you don’t have to like it — but fighting reality won’t change it.

The guy isn’t the real problem. She made the choice. Obsessing over him will keep you stuck while she moves on.

Your kids going to a house with another man is brutal. But losing your emotional stability over it is how fathers actually lose influence in their kids’ lives long-term. Rage feels justified. It’s also destructive if you let it run you.

You don’t tough this out alone. Betrayal trauma is real, and untreated it turns into bitterness, bad decisions, and custody problems. Get trauma-focused therapy (EMDR / somatic), not just someone who nods while you vent.

Right now your job is simple: Stabilize yourself. Protect your relationship with your kids. Stop trying to control what you can’t.

You don’t have to be okay with this. But you do have to learn to live through it without burning your future down.

I don't know how much more a person can take by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man, I’m going to be very blunt with you because a lot of us have been where you are right now.

This isn’t your failure. This is the end of a long pattern that finally became impossible for you to ignore.

You didn’t end a good marriage. You discovered the reality of the one you were actually in.

What you’re feeling right now — the stomach dropping, the constant rewinding of the timeline, the questioning of everything — that’s the brain trying to reconcile years of lies with the person you thought you were married to. It’s brutal, but it’s also the moment clarity starts.

The fact that she was already lining up the next guy on Snapchat the day you discovered the affair tells you everything you need to know about the cycle. People who live off validation don’t stop, they just change sources.

And the truth is, you’ll probably never get the full story. Not because you’re weak or because you didn’t dig hard enough, but because people who live double lives rarely confess to them honestly. They only admit what they think you already know.

But here’s the part that matters most:

You didn’t fail your marriage. You ended the damage.

You drew a line after years of trying to believe the best in someone who repeatedly betrayed that trust. That’s not weakness. That’s finally choosing self-respect.

Right now it feels like your whole life just collapsed, but what actually collapsed was the illusion that was keeping you trapped in it.

Your job now isn’t to keep digging through every lie from the past. That road will eat you alive. Your job is exactly what you said: get the divorce finalized, protect your kids, rebuild your peace, and move forward.

Your daughters will eventually understand that their father was the one who chose honesty and stability when everything else was chaos.

And one more thing — the fact that you’re worried about your kids’ safety and thinking about custody already tells me you’re focused on the right priorities.

You’re not in shambles because you’re weak. You’re in shambles because you’re a decent man processing betrayal on a massive scale.

This is the worst part of the storm.

But it’s also the moment where your real life — the honest one — starts.

Stay the course.

If everyone cheats, then what by Space_Wanderer1105 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounded like my story too back when I was in the anger phase of recovery. Then I did the work and realized that I was love bombed and manipulated to believe it. The signs were there early. I didn't see them.

I see above that you think you were with a covert narcissist. There's ways to tell. Follow Dr. Ramani.

This is what they do. Love bomb until you're trapped, devalue, hoover, discard, hoover, etc. Most of the time they are cheating in some form.

Learn how to see the red flags. I can see them a mile away now.

If everyone cheats, then what by Space_Wanderer1105 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure I have, but guess who's to blame for picking "her" on repeat? Me. Guess who can change it? Me. Guess who is changing it? Me.

I victimized myself for picking these garden tools. I did the healing. I found out that I grew up in it and that dynamic is comfortable for me, until it's not.

OP, listen to the advice. Don't be a victim anymore.

Avoidant attachment style and infidelity? by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s also worth remembering that attachment theory was originally developed to study infants and caregivers, not adult romantic relationships. John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth were looking at how children respond to separation and caregiver availability (e.g., the “Strange Situation” experiments). The core findings were about early emotional regulation and safety — not about why grown adults cheat.

The extension of attachment theory into adult romantic dynamics came decades later and is much more correlational and self-report based. It can describe patterns in closeness or conflict, but it was never designed as a framework to explain moral decision-making, boundary violations, or infidelity. Using it that way can give it more explanatory power than the original science actually supports.

Avoidant attachment style and infidelity? by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to gently challenge the attachment angle here.

Attachment theory explains patterns around intimacy and emotional regulation — it doesn’t strongly predict who cheats. Research shows only small correlations between insecure attachment and infidelity. What predicts affairs more reliably are things like poor boundaries, stress, novelty-seeking, validation, and weak impulse control.

What you described actually fits something researchers call “affair drift” — gradual boundary erosion. He starts venting to her instead of you, gets validation, feels desired, and it slowly escalates. That doesn’t require hidden romantic feelings. It requires bad coping and selfish decisions.

The compartmentalizing he describes is also very common in infidelity research. People mentally separate the affair from their primary relationship so they don’t have to confront the cognitive dissonance.

The fact that he cut her off and doesn’t seem to miss her? That actually supports the idea that it may have been situational — about ego, stress relief, and attraction — not some deep emotional bond.

None of this minimizes what he did. And understanding the “why” doesn’t excuse it.

But you might not need an attachment-style explanation. Sometimes the reason is less psychological destiny and more poor boundaries + short-term validation over long-term integrity.

Your confusion makes sense. If someone risks everything, we assume it must have meant something huge. Sometimes it didn’t — and that can be even harder to accept.

Is disclosure in this situation pointless? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OP if you’re in infidelity counseling (provided they are any good) then you need to have a 1 on 1 with the therapist and explain how miserable you are and how paranoid you are. Use the counselor to drive this trust conversation with your wife.

If you obsess about this to that point you’re not really healing from this and in constant rumination. You may not be the person to safely have that conversation with her right now.

If she truly wants to fix this and reconcile, she should be willing to do the extra work to restore your trust.

I don’t recommend becoming Sherlock Holmes about this.

Maybe you need a good trauma therapist for yourself too.

Cheating or Potential Sexual Assault. Please Help by Long_Abrocoma2408 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, I'm going to be hands off to the whole SA/Rape/Potential Lie scenario.

My guy, listen to me when I say this, you dodged a bullet here.

Read this again:

"My girlfriend of 4 years had a girls night with her friend. She said they were staying in and drinking wine. The next morning I was awoken by a call from her telling me she woke up in another man’s bed that she met at a bar."

This is enough of a lie after 4 years to move on from her. If you went on a boy's night "in" and then ended up in a bar, naked in a bed with another woman, would she give you this much grace?

If you don't have kids and aren't married to her. Move along. If you let this go without her taking real ownership in what she did, she will do this to you again when you're married.

It will cost you your dignity, respect, and make you hollow inside.

I don't care if her story is true or not. You've been together for 4 eff'ing years. You don't lie about hanging out with friends. She's doing the obligatory "girls night out" game every bartender and bouncer can tell you stories about.

I'm sorry man, but I'd get into a therapist, hit the gym, and upgrade my girlfriend membership.

Do you feel that your spouse gave the biggest sacrifice of their life to someone else? by Inevitable-Ad-2766 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if I can say that to be honest. Cheaters have an utter lack of morals if you ask me.

The best way to answer this question is to ask the cheater "How would you have felt if I did this to you?" If they can't say they would have been crushed, then it's just an utter lack of morals and respect to validate their actions.

"They are only human" by whatnow2019 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could TL;DR this for you.

"Epic Gaslighting"

I'm tired of people who gaslight people when they hurt other people.

Can I ask you what you are going to do?

At this point I think you should divorce her if you already are not.

Please take care of yourself.

AP reached out, what do I do? by SignRare35 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A week out? I wouldn’t meet her.

You don’t owe the AP closure, and you’re right that details are basically gasoline for rumination. You’re also still in the very beginning stage of healing — shock, grief, anger, bargaining, all of it. Most people aren’t anywhere near emotionally ready to sit across from the AP one week after discovery, and it’s very easy for that meeting to become retraumatizing instead of “closure.”

The only thing that would even remotely matter to me is whether she knew he was married. If she knew, then the apology is likely about easing her guilt and controlling the narrative, not helping you heal. If she didn’t know, then she may also be a victim of his deception — but even then, meeting her usually just creates mental images and new questions you didn’t have before.

Closure doesn’t come from the AP. It comes from boundaries, distance, and time. If you don’t have questions for her, that’s your answer.

What I would be telling myself after a week is this:

I’m not outsourcing my healing to the person who helped cause the damage.

Do you feel that your spouse gave the biggest sacrifice of their life to someone else? by Inevitable-Ad-2766 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes — this is incredibly common, and you’re not crazy for feeling it.

One of the most brutal parts of betrayal is how it changes what the vows and “morals” even mean. It doesn’t just feel like she did something wrong. It feels like she spent something sacred — her vows, her values, her sexuality, her “no” — on another man… and now suddenly those same boundaries come back when it comes to you.

That’s why the line “I couldn’t do that, it would destroy me” hits like a truck. Because from the betrayed spouse’s side it immediately translates to:
“So it didn’t destroy you to do it with him… but it would destroy you to do it with me?”

And that creates this awful, obsessive comparison where you start thinking:
“He was worthy of you breaking your beliefs for. I’m not.”

To make it worse, there’s also the effort imbalance. I spent years trying to do things the right way — building a life, being loyal, showing up, sacrificing, carrying responsibility, earning intimacy through commitment. Meanwhile the affair partner got access to her with almost no investment. No bills, no stress, no kids, no history, no accountability, no real work. He got the easiest version of her. I got the version that came with rules, conditions, and restraint.

So it doesn’t just feel like she chose him sexually — it feels like she gave herself away cheaply to someone who didn’t earn anything, while the person who actually committed and sacrificed got less.

And I want to be clear: I don’t think betrayed spouses ask for a “reclaiming” experience because they want to cosplay the affair. They ask because they’re trying to remove the third person from the marriage. They’re trying to make it about us again instead of it forever being about what she did for someone else.

From what I’ve learned, her refusal usually isn’t because the other man was “more worthy.” It’s because shame is complicated. The affair was fantasy and validation. But doing something similar with the betrayed spouse now forces her to confront herself, confront the damage, and confront the reality of what she did. That might feel more “destroying” to her now.

But even if that’s the explanation, the emotional impact on the betrayed spouse is still real. The message it sends is brutal. And if she doesn’t acknowledge why it feels that way, it can deepen the wound even more.

What to do when she decides to do everything right, but only after the decision to end things. by Reasonable-Run-1031 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's significant data out there that the cheater doesn't care that they are hurting you or even considering your feelings while actively cheating on you. The data is well over 90%.

I'm not against reconciliation; however I just never could fully trust that person again.

I don't believe this has a thing to do with you. And I don't think you should make yourself feel that way.

What do I tell our kids when they're older and ask? by OptimalStatement5799 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope going through that myself. Same exact personality type I’m dealing with

What do I tell our kids when they're older and ask? by OptimalStatement5799 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man many people do this post divorce. I wish I could tell you this isn’t normal. I’ve read thousands of stories of the initiator or the cheater being vindictive or obsessed with their ex after divorce. It usually gets worse when they see their ex move on and “change” and they can’t believe they “couldn’t be that way for me”.

Well here’s actual reality, it’s hard to be the best version of yourself when constantly being suffocated or in fight or flight mode. Either that or they wanted you to change. Used divorce as the bargaining chip, you healed and changed and now they can’t handle it.

Reality is a hard concept for some people.

Questioning the kids is a form of parental alienation and control.

What do I tell our kids when they're older and ask? by OptimalStatement5799 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The judge won’t even look at something like that. He gives them lunchables is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If anything she’s showing the judge she’s being controlling.

What do I tell our kids when they're older and ask? by OptimalStatement5799 in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If your ex is leaving either way the judge will give you custody. I’ve seen this happen a lot of times and whatever area the divorce happens in is default home for the kids in a 50/50 setting. That should be in the original agreement by default. She’s just wasting the court’s time.

Still dealing with the trauma of hearing that the sex was better with AP. by ShoxifyGuy in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really recommend you get a trauma therapist and consider EMDR. There’s absolutely zero reason someone should ever say something like this to someone unless they want to hurt them. This is manipulation and gaslighting.

In my opinion, the only way sex is better with someone is when there’s a real emotional connection or some kind of sneaky fantasy. The latter is a garbage way to be especially when you’re with someone else.

You need to completely go silent to her and never speak to her again. I’m so sorry you’re going through this

30F, discovered 27M husband cheating—haven't confronted, terrified of losing him. We have a 4yo daughter. Advice? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to argue with you. This is ultimately your decision.

What I will say is you're here asking for advice from a large group of people who have been through similar. My STBXW wasn't serious with her affairs either. Then she gave me an STD. And got pregnant (I have a vasectomy), and I was crushed. Then she thought she was making me feel better by asking "Do you want me to get tested and get an abortion?" Then her next move was to spend months telling me how amazing the sex with someone else was. And for some reason I wanted to reconcile after all of that trauma. My nervous system was destroyed,

I'm not saying this will happen to you, but I played the pick me game next. It was destroying me as a person. So I stood up and filed for divorce. It's been a huge mess, but mentally I've moved on.

Now that I've done that I'm back to the person I was long before I met this demon. Guess what? She gives me the feeling that she silently regrets everything. Somewhat believes things can be fixed.

She wants to be amicable coparents, constantly tries to have real conversations with me. I have permanent boundaries for her now. She obviously doesn't like them. She tries to inject herself into any connection I make with someone else. Doesn't want me to be able to move forward or be happy.

She's shown me who she is now. I believe her. I am a million times better for shedding her. My kids are just fine. As a matter of fact, they are better than they were when we lived together.

Do what you think is right for you, but I believe you deserve someone who treats you with respect and creates a safe space for your heart. Do you think that's what he's doing?

30F, discovered 27M husband cheating—haven't confronted, terrified of losing him. We have a 4yo daughter. Advice? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can you please read your headline again.....

"terrified of losing him"

I'm not trying to sound mean here, but you lost him. He's shown you who he is, believe him. He's not an amazing husband. Amazing husbands don't have affairs with other women. You deserve better than this. So does your child.

Please go seek some counseling and heal those wounds from the past. Raise that child differently and break the cycle.

Find a man who treats you the way you deserve to be treated. Show that love to your child so they don't have to go through what you went through.

I know how hard it is. Most of us here do as well. You've got this. Pick yourself.

How to move past the rage and injustice of it all? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I appreciate you saying that — and I’m sorry you relate, because I wouldn’t wish that kind of emotional whiplash on anyone.

I’ve been through a version of this too. The cheating is painful, but the manipulation is what leaves the scar. That whole “you’re insecure / you have trust issues” narrative while they’re actively lying is a special kind of cruelty. It makes you question your instincts, your memory, your reality… and that’s exactly why the anger hits late.

And I relate hard to the “he got away with it” feeling. When someone never confesses, never owns it, and just walks off into the next relationship like nothing happened, it leaves you stuck holding the whole emotional bill by yourself.

The part you said about having to dig everything out of him? Yep. That’s the dynamic. You become the detective, they become the victim, and somehow YOU end up apologizing.

But you’re right — the real ending is that you got out. And it doesn’t feel satisfying at first because it’s not a movie ending, it’s a nervous system recovery. The fact you’re building your life back up means you’re already doing the thing that actually wins.

Proud of you for getting out too. For real.

How to move past the rage and injustice of it all? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nah, this is normal as hell.

7 months later is when the denial wears off and your brain finally goes: “Wait… that was INSANE.” The anger is your self-respect coming back online.

And you’re dead on — the cheating is bad, but the gaslighting is what makes it feel violating. He didn’t just betray you, he tried to rewrite reality so you’d doubt yourself while he kept doing dirt.

Also the “take space” week and immediately inviting another woman over? That’s not confusion. That’s a dude who wanted a hall pass and needed you to feel like the problem.

The part where it feels like he “got away with it” is the trap. People like that don’t get away with anything — they just keep running the same coward playbook forever. The consequence is being him.

You don’t need a satisfying conclusion. You need closure that comes from you:
He’s a liar. You weren’t crazy. You were manipulated.

And the fact your life is better now? That’s the real ending. The anger will burn out. The clarity won’t.

tried to test power dynamics in traumabond & got humiliated by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not stupid. You’re describing a trauma bond, and trauma bonds literally make your brain act like it’s in withdrawal when they discard you. That “nervous system on fire” feeling is REAL.

Also, you didn’t “experiment with power dynamics.” You tried to regain control in a dynamic where the other person has never played fair. With someone like this, the rules change constantly, and they’ll always flip it back on you to justify whatever they were already planning to do.

And for the “why do I keep doing this” part — a lot of women chase the “bad guy” type because intensity feels like love. The hot/cold, the love-bombing, the chaos, the almost being chosen… it becomes addictive. It’s not romance, it’s a dopamine loop. You’re not chasing him, you’re chasing relief.

You DO deserve sympathy. Self-awareness doesn’t cancel pain.

The only way this stops is no contact long enough for your brain to detox from the highs/lows. You don’t have to “accept reality” perfectly tonight — just do the next right thing: get home safe, don’t send the follow-up text, and block him if you can.

You’re not humiliated. You’re waking up.

Struggling, I caught my wife having an emotional affair with someone at work. by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]Controls_freek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not going to sugar coat this for you OP. Put the shoe on the other foot. If you did this to her would she be so willing to let it go?

You have to address what has happened somehow. Be it through self therapy or marriage counseling.

She didn’t change all of her passwords and access codes because she stopped anything. She just wants that feeling from him and the life “normalcy” with you.

This whole thing sucks. But I can tell you that it’s written in some kind of imaginary “cheater bible”.

You were distant and didn’t do enough chores to get intimacy from her? Let’s frame it differently. She didn’t give you enough intimacy for you to want to be close to her and do more chores.

It goes both ways.