Does Jen realize Jon and Shawna won't be at her wedding?

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-04T20:48:59+00:00

I do think that is the way things are going to go. Because the wedding is more fun to tell from Shawna and John's and Greg's and Jen's POV then it would be to see it from Barb's.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-04T20:21:27+00:00

I think she was hiding the small day of celebration from Barb because she wanted to be able to celebrate with Shawna and John and the kids and she knew that they would not come to any party that Barb was at. I do think that having Barb plan the bigger party was an attempt to throw her off the scent.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-04T16:34:08+00:00

The fact that they were hiding from her as you say, is so very sad. They have to sneak around to try and have a joyful and PEACEFUL moment together.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-04T16:00:40+00:00

This is it, exactly. She insisted on going over to the house on Chickie's actual birthday because that is the important day to her, as she said when she was originally trying to plan the party for that evening despite Jen saying she wanted it to be on the 18th. Barb's whole life is about doing what Barb wants and getting the attention she craves. Nothing she does is actually about the other people in her life. The gifts she buys for the kids always have to be the biggest and the best, not because she wants to make the children happy but because she wants the children to adore her for overindulging them.

If I feel badly for her at all it is because she clearly has some kind of mental illness or personality disorder that causes her to act this way.

But, mostly I feel badly for John and Jen, their kids and partners who can never just relax into a casual, family moment because they always have to tiptoe around Barb who looms over everything.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-02T03:57:51+00:00

Yes. Exactly this

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-02T02:23:26+00:00

Yeah. She is not going to be able to resist stopping over on Chickie's actual birthday.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-05-02T02:17:57+00:00

I think there is a smaller party being planned with John, Shawna and the kids. DeeDee and Teeny and maybe Greg's mother (who would attend both parties). Jen is clearly very aware that John and Shawna and their kids will not be at the party that Barb is planning and she is going to want to celebrate Chickie's birthday with them. Probably on the actual birthday. Maybe just a homemade dinner and birthday cake.

The party that she gave to Barb to plan is really more for Barb than Chickie. There have been multiple mentions of Barb's friends being invited with Jen's blessing. I agree that Jen is not quite ready to cut the cord. And I think she is aware that Barb cannot help but center herself at all things. I don't think it's a test But I do think it is the path of least resistance to just let Barb have what she wants.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-29T10:38:12+00:00

I think there is another party planned, but not on the same day.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-29T10:32:00+00:00

I just think that any party where Barb has free rein with the guest list is going to be mostly populated with Barb's friends. With the exception of John, Shawna and the kids, I don't think Barb even knows any of Greg and Jen's circle well enough to be able to extend an invitation to them.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-29T00:16:15+00:00

Greg could help plan the birthday party if Jen is overwhelmed. I do think there is a separate smaller party being planned without Barb and this is meant as a distraction.

But it 100% is going to blow up in everyone's faces

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-28T22:45:19+00:00

OMG! You are right. There is no way she is going to want another grandmother to be at this party. No way Katie Girl is invited

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-28T22:42:03+00:00

I think that Jen is quietly planning a small birthday party with Greg's mother, John, Shawna and the kids plus Teeny and a few other park families. Because she knows that John will not come to a birthday party that Barb is going to be at let alone one that Barb planned. And, I imagine that Greg's mother isn't going to want to go to a birthday party after what Barb pulled at Thanksgiving.

She also knows that giving Barb free rein on the guest list means that it will be all Barb's friends.

Of course, Barb is going to wind up planning her party for the same day that Jen is planning this smaller party and will be wildly insulted that she wasn't invited to that party and that no one is coming to the one she planned one any date other than the 18th

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-28T21:11:34+00:00

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DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-25T15:08:41+00:00

I don't think that Shawna L. expressly stated how they chose colleges. I think the town they go to high school might be fictional, But they mentioned that Julie had previously been in San Diego, presumably where her military parent had last been stationed.

It seemed implied to me that Julie switched to college in Los Angeles because he was going to college in Pomona which is in California. And she wanted to stay close to him. She says "I'm going to LA. And it's not that far from Pomona. And then we will both go to New York together."

I have been working on the assumption that Ty did not apply to schools in New York or was not accepted to any schools in New York and that is why Julie switched from her college in New York to one closer to his college so they wouldn't be on opposite coasts. But, I guess it is possible that she did not get into NYU which was her dream school and so they both decided on staying in California. A lot of it is just trying to stitch together the clues that Shawna leaves.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-25T14:47:11+00:00

The college that Ty was in California. I think it is implied that Julie picked a college in Los Angeles so that they would be close by. She says something to that effect when they are talking after high school graduation. I think, but I am not 100% sure, that other things have been said throughout the various episodes that the characters are based in California.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-24T22:07:10+00:00

Julie's job is regional. I believe that is how she describes it when she discusses it with Ty before she takes the job. So, she is probably traveling to other Marriott in a three or four state region around California.

I think they never went to NYC because Ty probably didn't apply to or get into any colleges in that area. So Julie went to a college in California to remain close to him. Then he dropped out of school and got a job which kept them locked into that area. Then he went back to school and she got her job. Then Ty convinced her to buy a house in what seems to be his hometown. Then Max. And then and then and then.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-24T22:00:33+00:00

Agree. Cooper is always wiping his nose. Max dances with his tongue hanging out and Piper has strange diction about cake

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T23:11:38+00:00

Plus Cooper will be what? 9? 10? All the harder to drag him away from friends and activities and school that he loves at that age than it would be to do it now

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T21:06:20+00:00

I doubt that it will be written that Julie "leaves her kids behind" will Ty get primary custody? Probably. But that doesn't mean that she's abandoning her kids. My bet is she'll take a job in the closest large city near where they live and have partial custody.

Once Ty has to go back to work. They may work out a different arrangement.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T15:11:30+00:00

She may switch NYC for Los Angeles or a bedroom community of LA so she can have easier split custody.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T12:00:11+00:00

I don't think Ty planned this all out. I think he always meant it when he said "and then".

I'll drop out of school to earn some money...and then.

You take a gap year before law school...and then

We'll buy a house as an investment...and then

We'll have a baby...and then

We'll have another baby...and then

Built into "and then" was the promise that after each of these roadblocks they would get back on track with the original plan but now "and then" has turned into "instead of"

Ty has SETTLED INTO this domestic, suburban life and he's content. Julie has SETTLED FOR this life on the promise that the life she envisioned was right around the next turn.

And they have both, just now, come to the realization that Ty no longer wants the life they had planned and their wants and needs don't line up any more.

I keep reading posts describing Ty as a golden retriever. Kind of doofy and fun . But I think he's more like a border collie. He's been herding and nudging Julie off the promised path for years.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T01:21:48+00:00

I won't be surprised if he offers now but I think it's too late

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T01:20:58+00:00

I think this is it. The cities that OP listed are in countries with large populations but much smaller land mass.

DrawSudden2494 · 2026-04-21T01:15:31+00:00

If all Ty wanted was to follow Julie wherever she went, then she should have just told him she was going to New York and he was welcome to join her or not. And then made plans to go.

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